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movie "Savages"

dddaver

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I watched Oliver Stone's movie from 2012, “Savages” today. The story hits the brutality and violence of the Mexican drug cartels pretty hard and I thought the story overall handled cannabis growing fairly well. And I thought the acting pretty good, especially Benedicio del Toro.


What I found outrageous was when a main character is kidnapped by a Meican cartel and goes a few weeks without smoking some weed. Then she asks Selma Hayek, who plays the Mexican drug lord, to let her use some of this “stuff we are fighting over” to help her concentrate. So Hayek asks her, “ How long she has been using”?


“How long have you been using”? I found those words very offensive and it just showed to me they really had no idea what they were talking about, which makes you wonder about the veracity of the whole movie. Equating weed with hard drugs like acid, using meth (tweaking), heroin or cocaine (crack-heads) is just plain stupid.


I have had trouble watching Stone's drivel before. In his JFK he showed a black hatted FBI agent take Oswald's rifle into the morgue and put Oswald's dead hands on it so his fingerprints were on the gun. The fact was that was never proven. It's true Oswald's prints were not on it at first, then were. But how they got there is actually just pure speculation.


In Stone's Nixon he shows Anthony Hopkins as Nixon walking around with a glass of gin with the ice tinkling. The fact was Nixon was Quaker and a teetotaler. Now I hated Tricky Dick as much as anyone but come on, if you're gonna portray some historical figure, especially one from our recent past, at least get SOME facts right. I know about literary license and these are just movies, but come on.


The thing that bothers me most about Stone and his revisionist history is that the young people, like my Grandkids, will see that crap and think “So THAT's the way it was”. NO IT WASN'T. And that latest shit about “how long have you been using?” is so propagandized and off base equating cannabis with hard drugs it is actually just more establishment anti-weed rhetoric. Even though he tries to tell a story, that part of it was totally unnecessary. :tiphat:
 

dddaver

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Nixon was not a teetotaler. He got loaded in the White House from time to time, especially as Watergate unfolded.

I googled it. You're right! My Dad told me that one. Jerk! Not nice to speak ill of the dead so I won't call him a fucking liar.

That weed shit is true anyway. Blake Lively, the one kidnapped, and Selma Hayek do say that to each other.
 
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hard rain

I watched Oliver Stone's movie from 2012, “Savages” today. The story hits the brutality and violence of the Mexican drug cartels pretty hard and I thought the story overall handled cannabis growing fairly well. And I thought the acting pretty good, especially Benedicio del Toro.


What I found outrageous was when a main character is kidnapped by a Meican cartel and goes a few weeks without smoking some weed. Then she asks Selma Hayek, who plays the Mexican drug lord, to let her use some of this “stuff we are fighting over” to help her concentrate. So Hayek asks her, “ How long she has been using”?


“How long have you been using”? I found those words very offensive and it just showed to me they really had no idea what they were talking about, which makes you wonder about the veracity of the whole movie. Equating weed with hard drugs like acid, using meth (tweaking), heroin or cocaine (crack-heads) is just plain stupid.


I have had trouble watching Stone's drivel before. In his JFK he showed a black hatted FBI agent take Oswald's rifle into the morgue and put Oswald's dead hands on it so his fingerprints were on the gun. The fact was that was never proven. It's true Oswald's prints were not on it at first, then were. But how they got there is actually just pure speculation.


In Stone's Nixon he shows Anthony Hopkins as Nixon walking around with a glass of gin with the ice tinkling. The fact was Nixon was Quaker and a teetotaler. Now I hated Tricky Dick as much as anyone but come on, if you're gonna portray some historical figure, especially one from our recent past, at least get SOME facts right. I know about literary license and these are just movies, but come on.


The thing that bothers me most about Stone and his revisionist history is that the young people, like my Grandkids, will see that crap and think “So THAT's the way it was”. NO IT WASN'T. And that latest shit about “how long have you been using?” is so propagandized and off base equating cannabis with hard drugs it is actually just more establishment anti-weed rhetoric. Even though he tries to tell a story, that part of it was totally unnecessary. :tiphat:
I also found that particular dialogue very annoying. There was a bit more drivel from Hayeks character too.

Parts of the movie were fine, but something happened toward the end that made me almost regret watching the movie. I won't give it away but those that have seen it will probably guess what I am talking about.
 

dddaver

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I also found that particular dialogue very annoying. There was a bit more drivel from Hayeks character too.

Parts of the movie were fine, but something happened toward the end that made me almost regret watching the movie. I won't give it away but those that have seen it will probably guess what I am talking about.

Yep, I think I do, maybe you are talking about what happens to a character that she was totally unaware of that had happened? Or murdering someone because the are soft? I thought those scenes totally unnecessary too. Maybe they were trying to let you know about the huge moral depravity of the cartels, like murdering victims innocent families and torturing victims isn't already enough? Sort of blindly assuming the viewers are stupid and don't already know all that reality exists is not such a good thing, I think. I personally was offended by that shit too. Why did they even have to put that shit in there? Both of those scenes?

But about just the weed related stuff, so as not to spoil anything, I found that part when they say the best cannabis in the world comes from Afghanistan, like that is a matter of fact was just weird. I suppose they are laying the ground-work for how the growers came up with their 30% THC strain by saying that.

But this plant has been cultivated for thousands of years in all parts of the world. And I think some land-race Sativa fans might find that statement very offensive. Although Kushs can be great maybe, the best is totally just a matter of opinion and preference.

Whatever. Big money is SO fucked. It ruins everything when that is the motive, every-time.
 

Cannfucious

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Same here, it actually was a buzzkill and had bad vibes all over it I fucking hated it and I generally love me some weed movies but this had much darker overtones and way too much violence for my tastes. Movies like this one should be about evil coke not the herb.
 

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