mothers

[rocketman420]

i am swithching it up from runnig 16 2 gallon in a 4x4, topped once and veg for 30 days. i am about to veg 2 weeks run 25 2 gallon smart pots single cola. i have a 4x8 flower tent so i change out crops every month. since im not taking clones off my veg plants when they go into flower i will need to run mothers. my question is can i leave my veg light on 20/4 or do i need to leave it on a 24 cycle for my mother plants?

 

[StickyStank]

I run my veg lights 18/6. Dark time is good to keep them from pre-flowering. If your moms show pre-flowering it is a sure sign of stress, most times it is root bound and need a bigger pot. Also go light on the nutes I use 5gal bucket of RO water, 1 cap of CalMag, 1 or 2 caps of Botanicare Grow, few drops of Super Thrive or whatever you like but never strong. I also mix some earthworm casting in my mix once a month about a cup full. Don't use strong nutes on moms, when they are good and green back off some until they lighten up a little. Cut them back good when they get too tall. Also mix some Diatomaceous Earth with your soil good source of silicon and minerals.

 

[Jnugg]

18on/6off,20on/4off,24on/0off....it all works bro.

To the poster above me...no preflowering is not a sign of stress...plants will begin to show preflowers once they become a mature age (usually around week 5-6 of veg).This is also accompanied by "alternating" nodes...these two signs are telling you your plant is sexually mature and ready to flower.

I find that if one waits for their plants to show preflowers and alternating nodes that the onset of flowering is that much quicker and flower sites much more abundant and thicker.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Look into bonsai mums... save you a lot of space/time/money in the long run.

I find that if one waits for their plants to show preflowers and alternating nodes that the onset of flowering is that much quicker and flower sites much more abundant and thicker.

Aye... a mature plant is much more robust in flowering than immature. Ahh... the early days. LOL

Stay Safe!

 

[StickyStank]

18on/6off,20on/4off,24on/0off....it all works bro.

To the poster above me...no preflowering is not a sign of stress...plants will begin to show preflowers once they become a mature age (usually around week 5-6 of veg).This is also accompanied by "alternating" nodes...these two signs are telling you your plant is sexually mature and ready to flower.

I find that if one waits for their plants to show preflowers and alternating nodes that the onset of flowering is that much quicker and flower sites much more abundant and thicker.

Thanks that is good info. But I have noticed when I cut it back and transplant in bigger pots the preflower goes away and new tender shoots grow until another root bound. I try to begin with as many fingers as possible for flowering to me that is a very happy vegged plant.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Thanks that is good info. But I have noticed when I cut it back and transplant in bigger pots the preflower goes away and new tender shoots grow until another root bound.

We're talking about the age of the plant you cut your clones from.

Growing from seed requires a LOT of space for most strains... especially if you don't want to chop them back. This is why it's better to take clones from the plant, after it has matured, and flower the clones out.

Stay Safe!

 

[rocketman420]

ok thanks HS, Jnugg, and stick stank, i have been buying a bunch of seeds just goin through them tryin to find the best. i have my set up were i cut 16 a month and i just got a 2x2 tent for some bonzi moms. i have been runing a test on some small cup i bought at the dollar store, but i think they are to small. i just ordered some 5x5x5 square pots for my moms. i figure if i run a bunch of seed and just keep poppin a different strain every month and keep a mom off each, then i can trash them later. i just ran 3 runs of lifesaver and wish i would have trashed it, but i couldnt because i didnt finish or smoke it until 2 more runs of it were in behind it. it has been only producing 1/2 o per plant when everything else is doin 2 o per. so moms it is. i think im gonna use the 5x5 for each mom for about 6 to 9 months then keep a clone and start a new mom, unless i need more root space. i am gonna run about 12 of a good producing strain, and then 4 of mixed strains every month for me. i am running a 200 watt florecent on the moms in a 2x2, with 5x5 i can get 12 moms and my 25 site cloner in there.

 

[Javadog]

I like the idea of flowering the mother. You get to take advantage
of all that growth in flowering.

I am growing mothers with the intent of flowering their clones,
but they have gotten so big....part of me wants to make new clones
to veg while these mothers flower.

Thanks for sharing!

JD

 

[Hydro-Soil]

part of me wants to make new clones
to veg while these mothers flower.

I've done this many times. Always make a new mum each year anyway. Take 3-4 times as many cuts as usual and keep the 1 or 2 that look the best.

Stay Safe!

 

[Jnugg]

You can make a new mom every year but after a while you'll notice degredation...think of it like this...

You have an original document and you make a copy...that copy comes out fine.You decide to make a copy of the copy and things may be fine,but keep copying the previous and eventually the copies are faded or hard to make out and aren't as good as the original document....

Catch my drift?

 

[huligun]

That is some serious bull shit Jnugg. What empirical proof do you have that clones or mothers degrade? That is bull shit pure and simple. It is not a copy of a document, it is a different shoot off of the same plant being kept artificially alive through the use of photo period. Dont write shit on a web page for all to see unless you are right.

The reason Hydro says to make a new mother is to keep the plant young and vital, not all chopped up and rooted up.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

That is some serious bull shit Jnugg. What empirical proof do you have that clones or mothers degrade? That is bull shit pure and simple. It is not a copy of a document, it is a different shoot off of the same plant being kept artificially alive through the use of photo period. Dont write shit on a web page for all to see unless you are right.

The reason Hydro says to make a new mother is to keep the plant young and vital, not all chopped up and rooted up.

Plants in all of other facets of gardening don't degrade with time, but for some reason cannabis is special?

I believe Clackamas posted pics of something he has had for somewhere in the 25 year range. Still going....

 

[Jnugg]

I had a mom for 10 years,kept taking cuts to run as a new mom..after doing that for 10 years the final results were way different..yield declined,aroma/flavor declined,potency,declined,and vigour declined.

It can be done,but I wouldn't do it very often.Why take cuts for a new mom rather than trimming the original back some,and a little root pruning,low light,low feed schedule?

 

[Javadog]

Senescence. We deal with it in Mycology as well.

Take enough transfers and the resulting cultures tend to become non-viable.

Good stuff.

JD

 

[Jnugg]

Senescence. We deal with it in Mycology as well.

Take enough transfers and the resulting cultures tend to become non-viable.

Good stuff.

JD

Thank you,that is the word...dabbled a bit with mycology for a while,but didn't progress onward to working with flow hoods,agar,etc. But do have a workibg understanding of it all...dikaryotic mycelium/Monokaryotic mycelium,working with agar etc...just never moved forward

Anyways,I have witnessed this "senescence" with s mother I had kept for 10 years by taking a cut of it and replacing said cut every time it out grew my particular mother/veg/clone area.It's a matter of how healthy/strong your particular mother is and how often you replace it with a cut...it is not the same as having your mom and keeping her as THE mom,and flowering her cuts,this method will assure the same results for a longer period of time IMO.


Anyone ever notice a certain generation of clones growing,budding,feeding differently than the original donor plant Although all factors (temps,humidity,ventilation,lighting etc.) are exactly the same.

 

[rocketman420]

i have heard both, they do and dont degrade with time, i can see the logic in both arguments so i figure every pack of seeds i pop keep a male for pollen and make some seeds for a later date if the mom does start to degrade ill have more seeds from her to try again. but some of the stankiest and nasty bud i ever had came from a 15 year old super skunk mom, to bad she is not around any more.

 

[Javadog]

"a 15 year old super skunk mom" is different from "the 15th generation of clone from XXX"

Take care,

JD

 

[rocketman420]

ok, ive only been at it inside for a year and ive been cuttin off bottom branches for my next run. i cant wait to not loose any strains if i dont keep them in a run. i tried reveg and it branched way to crazy and they had small buds most ended up in the hash bucket.

 

[STUNKY]

I don't know what to think about degrading.. I have keep single mothers for up to 5years.. I was worried about the losing my lovely lady, but I feel if I would of cloned her earlier she would still be around. I have 1 mother that is a clone of a plant from like 8 years ago and she is just as strong and tasty as she ever was. I believe like someone stated ,when u clone a mom for a mom cut many and choose vigor..
Kinda off topic but my worst loss was when some kinda bug got into my reservoir. I keep moms in DWC . I fought that damn bug forever trying to kill it and keep my original mom. Finally at a desperate attempt. I poured some foliage bug stuff started with a d u can't buy anymore into the reservoir . I thought I would leave in 1hour or less. I went back plants looking rough,drained and refilled. Plants recovered no bug issues. But the plant genetics were never the same. If I was to do it again I would just cut a clone off them all and kill the infested moms.
This was when I first started learning and growing.. I was so afraid of generation degrading that I lost my best moms, and in my state u can't just go get new clones. It took me years to find them..
Canabis isn't meant to live for years but if taken good care off I feel it can without loss of any qualities.
But hey.yall know opinions r like ass holes we all got one...