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Motherlode Gardens 2014
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Como esta?
Como esta?
the garden is basically set up now. we just have one more 600gal pot to fill and one more female Bodhi Solo's Stash to transplant into it. word.
having a few issues with yellowing on some of our gorilla glues and cherry pies, issues that are not shared by our seed starts, which all look great. I think next year will be all seeds. Hopefully the pies and glues pull through cuz with these limits every plant counts and we dont have any decent replacements.
but all in all, everything is looking good.
hillside with sun overhead:
Pre-Soviet Afghani x Uncirculated OG , showing some heliotropism here , every top pointed diagonally toward the afternoon sun. This might be my favorite plant in the garden, it grows a few inches per day and really stocky just like a big sunflower. Gonna expand her 400gal pot into a 600 this month.
Como esta?
the garden is basically set up now. we just have one more 600gal pot to fill and one more female Bodhi Solo's Stash to transplant into it. word.
having a few issues with yellowing on some of our gorilla glues and cherry pies, issues that are not shared by our seed starts, which all look great. I think next year will be all seeds. Hopefully the pies and glues pull through cuz with these limits every plant counts and we dont have any decent replacements.
but all in all, everything is looking good.
hillside with sun overhead:
Pre-Soviet Afghani x Uncirculated OG , showing some heliotropism here , every top pointed diagonally toward the afternoon sun. This might be my favorite plant in the garden, it grows a few inches per day and really stocky just like a big sunflower. Gonna expand her 400gal pot into a 600 this month.
is it just on the lower leaves? i saw that issue on some of my backup starts, definitely need food, a high nitrogen foliar/calmag should help out a bit, PPD smells like hooker pussy but the plants love it. and some good old amendment just dont resort to hitting chem frets. fish meal, alfalfa and kelp will help, I've also seen good greening after a nitrogen dominant bat guano top dress, just make sure you dont get the P dominant theres usually two kinds of guano.
i had all my glues planted into amended mounds and i still had to add a little top dress boost on them they are some hungry bitches. go out and spot shot foliar feed all the yellow ones.
cherry pie is a little different though she's actually showing light burn on some tips, so i would say she requires different feeding strength. if your CP is going light already thats pretty weird, she always stays dark.
i had all my glues planted into amended mounds and i still had to add a little top dress boost on them they are some hungry bitches. go out and spot shot foliar feed all the yellow ones.
cherry pie is a little different though she's actually showing light burn on some tips, so i would say she requires different feeding strength. if your CP is going light already thats pretty weird, she always stays dark.
check the outdoor plants thread i just put up a couple pics. our pies are having different problem than our glues i think. You may be right about feeding the glues, they are either hungry or overwatered. but a different issue is affecting the pies.
edit: here is a pic of the cherry pie problem. possibly from getting too dry on very hot day?
Glue issues
Glue issues
This is how most of our gorilla glues look. I hope these pics can help somebody diagnose our issue. Yes4Prop your guess, underfeeding, might be correct. Slight yellowing all over the plant, not much new growth. I am really thinking overwatering rather than underfeeding, but i dont know shit really.
Glue issues
This is how most of our gorilla glues look. I hope these pics can help somebody diagnose our issue. Yes4Prop your guess, underfeeding, might be correct. Slight yellowing all over the plant, not much new growth. I am really thinking overwatering rather than underfeeding, but i dont know shit really.
This top picture is the top of one of the more "affected" gorilla glues, the bottom picture , for comparison, is the top of the healthiest gorilla glue. The affected top has smaller, yellower leaves and some taco-ing but even the healhiest glue has a few top branches that are showing this same shit.
compare to healthy(er):
compare to healthy(er):
the bottom yellowing on the cp looks like ra or fungus gnat damage imho. Im no pest expert, but I have grown my share of cannabis outside, and i had stuff that started like that end up working its way up, putting big hurt on my yields in those garden plots.
Have you done any bt drenches?
Have you done any bt drenches?
thanks. no bt drenches i've never used the stuff. will definitely check for RA on the surface, havent seen any gnats. I will definitely trip out if the yellowing moves upwards much more on the cherry pies
Even light amendments, not cooked long enough, can cause this.
In many situations, a combination of factors come into play.
Take low night temps of 45F or less, combined with a heavy watering, and sometimes under cooked soil can affect plants.
I find this more in sativa dom strains, but in some indicas too.
But as said, most likely will correct itself.
In many situations, a combination of factors come into play.
Take low night temps of 45F or less, combined with a heavy watering, and sometimes under cooked soil can affect plants.
I find this more in sativa dom strains, but in some indicas too.
But as said, most likely will correct itself.
If you're having issues primarily with the GG while others are doing well, consider checking out this thread.
a yellow leaf here and there on the undercarriage isn't terrible, at least the top growth looks good. those glues look exactly like mine did back in april when i first put them under natural sun in 7 gallons, i would attribute it to natural stress from the sun and a need for more nutes since that natural sun sends plants into overdrive, just my guess... i hit them hard with a fishmeal,bloodmeal,alfalfa, kelp and glacial rock dust top dress, on top of a PPD/Calmag foliar with a few other things like fulvic/humic acid. they perked back up after a week or two, get more nutes into that main rootball so it has enough energy to spread out into the uncharted soil.
if it was overwatering they would have more clawing and droopy leaves, plus its so hot out i doubt its that..
also check your brix levels in the plant leaf, thats a surefire way to find out if they are hungry or suffering from something else.. i bet your brix levels are probably below 10 which means they need more food! dont under-estimate the importance of micro-nutrients which is why glacial rock dust and clay is so important.
if it was overwatering they would have more clawing and droopy leaves, plus its so hot out i doubt its that..
also check your brix levels in the plant leaf, thats a surefire way to find out if they are hungry or suffering from something else.. i bet your brix levels are probably below 10 which means they need more food! dont under-estimate the importance of micro-nutrients which is why glacial rock dust and clay is so important.
thanks and i know about the issues some are having with gg4 but we dont have a dud cut of gorilla glue as far as i know, we have some flowering inside now looking great. The outdoor ones are having issues like i said but i dont think it's genetic. but what do i know.
thanks Y4P i really appreciate ya looking out.. We have all the amendments you just listed so tomorrow we will go and top dress the shit out of the gorilla glues... about how much you use per plant? and when you top dress you mix the amendments into the top couple inches of soil? or just sprinkle on top and then water. I will look it up.
how do you check brix levels in the leaf? sorry we are somewhat new to the organic full season thing. assume some equipment is necessary, any recommendations?
Also i am ashamed to admit that we are not set up for proper foliar feeding right now. I suppose all we need is a good pump and a good sprayer. already have some 50gal barrels. the yellow Mondi pumps probably arent strong enough or am i wrong? any reccomended pumps/sprayers?
thanks. i know we are rookies so bear with us. If it weren't for legal limits we would just put out a few thousand plants in august and skip the stress of growing monsters. i guess most people would probably rather do that.
peace!
i just eyeball the top dress, you dont want more than a 1 inch depth. i mix everything together in a 50 gallon drum and let it sit in the dark, usually throw about 3 beer cups per mound. you can also use the same mix as a base for compost teas. i lightly hose it in right away, you dont want it sitting on top of the soil cooking. the water will mix it in fine no need to bury it.
brix levels are super easy just get a refractometer they are about 40 bucks, you take a fan leaf or two and squeeze the juice out onto the meter and aim it at the sun, veg plants should be in the mid to high teens right now, and in late flower up to the low 20s. ever since i started brix testing i can't believe how naive and dumb i was in prior seasons, its the easiest way to figure out if your plant needs more food or not, can even be used on indoor gardens. high brix plants can naturally resist pests and mold, and some argue it increases resin and terpenes as well.
for sprays just get a cheap 3 dollar bottle at home depot and spot shot the light plants….and refill as needed. when you get money a gas powered backpack or ATV sprayer is best, but for now with plants that small you just need a regular spray bottle. foliars are EXTREMELY important to outdoor growing, you should make it a habit to foliar at least once a week all the way into flower.
brix levels are super easy just get a refractometer they are about 40 bucks, you take a fan leaf or two and squeeze the juice out onto the meter and aim it at the sun, veg plants should be in the mid to high teens right now, and in late flower up to the low 20s. ever since i started brix testing i can't believe how naive and dumb i was in prior seasons, its the easiest way to figure out if your plant needs more food or not, can even be used on indoor gardens. high brix plants can naturally resist pests and mold, and some argue it increases resin and terpenes as well.
for sprays just get a cheap 3 dollar bottle at home depot and spot shot the light plants….and refill as needed. when you get money a gas powered backpack or ATV sprayer is best, but for now with plants that small you just need a regular spray bottle. foliars are EXTREMELY important to outdoor growing, you should make it a habit to foliar at least once a week all the way into flower.
were those in coco then transplanted to soil? when I grew indoors a few years back in coco exclusively and would put some outside in soil sometimes they would act bitchy for a couple weeks but once the roots got out into the organics they did fine. I think it takes a minute to adjust from getting all their food from a bottle. if you got some ewc do a couple of foliars this week. and its just the first week of june.. ur gonna crush it. and in my opinion its way easier to grow fewer bigger healthier plants than to grow a bunch of stressing little bitches.
yeppp... probably sould have mentioned that. the glues were in 10gal smarties with coco before we plopped them into the dirt. You're right they probably got stressed from that switch. hoping they make full recovery and start growing decently before july. the gg4 cut is vigorous so we are optimistic.
furrywall11
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my two cents:
They look to me like they had great growth when you had them getting some supplemental lighting- and now the next layer of growth looks a little stunted/woody - I'd say they're either in pre-flower confusion or phosphorous deficient..if it's pre flower confusion that can't be reversed and will sort itself out now that we're closer to the solstice... so, i'd try a foliar regiment -- day 1 ppd, day 2 cal-25, day 3 canna boost (for the phos...not exactly organic- if you can find an organic foliar phos nute than go for that)...also, i had some very similar issues with some coco plants that i tried to put into soil... i hypothesized that when the weaker coco roots hit the organic outdoor soil it was a little too much for them to bear and they freaked out..i had some luck by transplanting into a plug of 707... if it's the coco- the foliar should help them while they adjust..
also, hopefully you're not using apex neverkink hoses- they're toxic...i'm pretty sure that watering through 300feet of those hoses is what caused my taco/droop problem
good luck to you
They look to me like they had great growth when you had them getting some supplemental lighting- and now the next layer of growth looks a little stunted/woody - I'd say they're either in pre-flower confusion or phosphorous deficient..if it's pre flower confusion that can't be reversed and will sort itself out now that we're closer to the solstice... so, i'd try a foliar regiment -- day 1 ppd, day 2 cal-25, day 3 canna boost (for the phos...not exactly organic- if you can find an organic foliar phos nute than go for that)...also, i had some very similar issues with some coco plants that i tried to put into soil... i hypothesized that when the weaker coco roots hit the organic outdoor soil it was a little too much for them to bear and they freaked out..i had some luck by transplanting into a plug of 707... if it's the coco- the foliar should help them while they adjust..
also, hopefully you're not using apex neverkink hoses- they're toxic...i'm pretty sure that watering through 300feet of those hoses is what caused my taco/droop problem
good luck to you
i think they are the same thing. Down To Earth sells it so you can probably order it anywhere that stocks their products. got mine at santa cruz hydro fwiw they said they could order as much as i want, $80 for a 40lb bag i think.
