Mother Selection: How importiant is quick rooting?

[one Q]

Here's the situation...

6 females to select from. Of these, 4 root REAL fast. The other 2 are VERY slow, so slow that the 4 get pots while the 2 are still in the cloner with little nubbies. They DO eventually root though.

The most vigorous growers are 2 of the 4 that root fast.

With out knowing how they smoke, do you think that getting rid of very slow rooters is a bad move? Consider that space is limited. Consider that they are not the fastest growers in veg either.

I just need some of your experience and opinions. Thanks.

 

[del...]

depends on how many cuttings are available for the space provided. take the best ones 1st then if there's still room use the less desired ones...

 

[geopolitical]

Rooting has a lot to do with WHERE on the plant you took the cutting from as well. The hormone profile of a plant varies in relation to where on the plant the particular cutting was taken. If you're consistently harvesting clones from a single mother in the same areas you should ideally have a pretty consistent rooting time. In that scenario I'd discard anything that was slow to root or thrive.

If I'm just taking cuttings to save genetics for plants I'm about to flower, I'd probably keep as many as possible, label them, and keep track of what plants did best by harvest time. Otherwise you may give up some very amazing genetics.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

how i've selected mum's before is to mark all plants then take clones from them and mark them acrodingly. these cuts from plant A or #1 such marking, flower out the doners and choose the strongest and best sized for my operation and cull the rest by flowering them out. then i make a bonsai mum http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919 honestly these bonsai mum's can provide 10-15 cuts every 2-3 wks n/p and the space the take up is a fraction of a larger mother plant very very good for running and keeping multipul strains

 

[one Q]

Great responces!

Major, The opposite has always worked on this side. Keeping the seed plants small and root and flower cuts. Those bansai thread is great I have it printed out. Good info.

GEO Didnt think about that. The cuttings were the main top of each, so this may have played a roll. Hmmm.

 

[00420]

I'd discard anything that was slow to root or thrive.

Otherwise you may give up some very amazing genetics.

one Q
grape ape is a slow rooter..... i would not give it up over somthing that roots fast....

i would flower all and make your pick by how the end smoke is... put all aspect's of the plants growing into play after after
alltho i am quick to toss a plant if it just dont make the cut...... u gotta come up with a scale of up's n down's that u can deal or not deal with..... 3 extra day is worth it sometime 5+ i might be getting upSET...... lol

 

[geopolitical]

If I remember right the best areas to take a cutting from for rooting purposes is from the lower outer branches. Top growth has much lower levels of the appropriate hormones. But hell I'm a stoner, I could totally be off base here.

 

[micropro]

Although my partner disagrees, I would take a noticeably long root time hugely into consideration. That better be some bomb smoke to beat faster growers.


The strongest clones come from the youngest growth because the cells are still willing to redifferentiate.
The stronger the branch, the stronger the clone, so clones from the top of the plant often are stronger than the bottom branches that receive less light.

 

[delerious]

The strongest clones come from the youngest growth because the cells are still willing to redifferentiate.
The stronger the branch, the stronger the clone, so clones from the top of the plant often are stronger than the bottom branches that receive less light.

The lower branches are more likely to end up as popcorn buds and get trimmed by some people. Much better to use them for clones rather than let them go to waste - just MHO.

I will be taking a closer look at the link of Maj. Pothead on Bonsai moms. Thanks major.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Here's the situation...

6 females to select from. Of these, 4 root REAL fast. The other 2 are VERY slow, so slow that the 4 get pots while the 2 are still in the cloner with little nubbies. They DO eventually root though.

The most vigorous growers are 2 of the 4 that root fast.

With out knowing how they smoke, do you think that getting rid of very slow rooters is a bad move? Consider that space is limited. Consider that they are not the fastest growers in veg either.

I just need some of your experience and opinions. Thanks.

I'm a medical user so I would have to wait for a smoke report.
If I have to make the choice, I would wait until they all rooted and then compare the growth rates. (Notice I didn't say size. The ones that rooted first will always be bigger.)

A more fair comparison would be to let each grow a root base and some foilage and then cut back the roots and foilage so they're pretty much even with each other. Whoever grows the best and looks the best under the greatest variety of conditions, wins.

 

[one Q]

HS!! Good post man. That sounds like a good trial.

All good info that will be taken into account.

Anyone else have anything to add?

 

[ocean99]

Great responces!

Major, The opposite has always worked on this side. Keeping the seed plants small and root and flower cuts. Those bansai thread is great I have it printed out. Good info.

GEO Didnt think about that. The cuttings were the main top of each, so this may have played a roll. Hmmm.

Can anyone back this up? Why would seed mothers be any better than mothers from cuts?

 

[one Q]

What is there to back up?? I just said it's what works for what I do. Didnt say it was the best? I select my words very wisley on here. This is not a debate thread.

So back to the issue at hand.

Have you ever tossed a potential mother because she didnt fit your style of growing?
For example; If youre a scrogger, and you have a girl that doesn't put out arms that fast but also have one that throws her arms every which way... Do you keep the more branchy girl JUST BECAUSE she's better suited to your style?

Also, if youre growing a PHENOMINAL strain, how different could the smoke really be?

Do you keep a girl that has slightly better high even though she's weak stemed and otherwise not a strong girl? VS Strong sturdy girl with just a bit less flavor or strength?

Just trying to see what's the concensis for ridding of weaker mothers while in veg.

PS. NO SIDETRACKING. THIS IS AN OPPINION THREAD based on what or how YOU do things. NO ONE is wrong.

 

[ocean99]

Didn't mean to come off that way, was just wondering if there was any particular reason it works better (faster rooting or something I figured).

 

[micropro]

Seed selection is a beautiful thing. Natural selection ends Where humans take over.

My local bean cracker keeps "the short pheno" and "the heavy yielder" and "the flavor queen" and then I get to run a couple of each to choose my favorite. It allows me to chose my favorite pheno without having to crack all the beans! And it gave me a better view of how important it is to grow plants that enjoy your growing style...

 

[one Q]

Just hear me out and add to the conversation.

Just hear me out and add to the conversation.

Mpro, I think most ppl have an agenda when seed cracking. Most of the time it's, yeild flavor and growing style, in some order.

I cant help but wonder what ppl are doing in the case where most girls are growing very well, but have some that shine. One FAST grower (all on top), One BALANCED grower(lower branches are just as steady as the top), then the SLOW grower.

Then of the ones that stand out, you have the one(s) that is obviously best for one grow style over another.

Then, while youre waiting to discover what they have to offer in terms of potency and high etc. you're looking at them all. Then you see that some are obviously weaker stemmed, dont have as much LUSH growth. But all grow at a good acceptable pace.

In terms of breeding are you ONLY looking for HIGH. A good high on a weak ass plant isnt IDEAL, is it?

 

[Pirate]

I'm on the BBQ right now but I'll be back later 1Q.
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[one Q]

wait until they all rooted and then compare the growth rates. (Notice I didn't say size. The ones that rooted first will always be bigger.)...............................Whoever grows the best and looks the best under the greatest variety of conditions, wins.

This is some good stuff here. Since the last post Ive seen them and they're all doing different than expected. Some that were flowered first are smaller, some that were flowered 5 days later are faster. Even when they were identical when going in, they are soooo different.

This is cool to watch because they are all almost identical in veg, except for 2. One very slow and one very fast, the rest identical.

Just putting that out there.

 

[one Q]

bump

 

[BurmeseDragon]

Well I would want to know how they flower myself, I guess that is why I favor revegging. Nothing like kicking yourself for having the two slow rooters be the dank ones. Or even wasting your time vegging out the lacking mums.