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Morocco (Rif) 2008 trip report

limey

Member
Hi all

Just got back from Morocco, thought I'd report on what I found.

Background: my 6th trip to Morocco, over 13 years or so.

If you dont know the country, hash is mostly produced in the rif, an east/west mountain chain running across the north (mediterranean) coast and up to 100km or so inland. Probably 90% of the hash smoked in europe comes from the rif. Quality is variable from very good to very poor. The best goes to Amsterdam ; the worst goes to the UK!

Received wisdom is that the high rif (around Ketama) and the western rif produce the best hash as these areas get the most moisture, the eastern rif is particularly dry. Of course, the actual farming probably makes more difference than the location but as a rule of thumb, seems to work.

Notes on pressure to buy: the Rif is one place you will find hash pushers. And by that, I mean pushy! They will exert pressure to buy, especially if they think you may be interested in taking some home. One does hear reports of people in taxis and private cars actually being run off the road by other drivers who want to pressure them to buy hash (though I have never witnessed this and think it is something of an urban myth). Anyway, there are lots of growers and more dealers and everyone has a kilo to shift. And with home growing taking off in Europe (especially Spain) they are a little more desperate than 10 years ago.

Like dealers anywhere they will also take advantage of the stoner hanging out for a smoke, and will typically sell them crap if they get the chance.

So, to avoid pressure to buy, I dont really go for the "come on a visit to my farm" invites, as they always end up with you being aggressively pressured to buy a significant quantity or face a long and tedious walk back to the main road. And it can be a bit scary but more to the point, very boring. I was on holiday and couldn't be bothered, and thus sacrificed the possibility of accessing the best on offer in favour of an easier life. Secondly, I make sure I always have some smoke, even if it isn't the best, so I never have that desperate look in my eye when dealing with the dealers.

So, the report...

deal #1 - 4-5 grams for 10 euros. Al Hoceima. 2008 crop hash, very fresh, from eastern rif. Grey-blond hash, not pressed especially hard. Slightly on the soft side though not "squidgy". Suberb light flavour, no acridity, very smooth smoke, clean, soft grey ash residue. Top end of 2nd quality (best one is likely to find outside the farms). High - warm, physical and relaxing, almost like mild dose of opium, clear headed, buiding for 10 minutes or so. After 30 mins, very sedative. Staying awake very, very difficult! Top hash, some of the best I have had in Morocco. You would only find this quality in top Dutch coffeeshops, and at a price.

deal #2 - 25-30 grams for 10 euros. Cala Iris. 2007 or 2008 crop. Commercial quality, from eastern rif. Light brown hash with sticky dark outer (from the pressing). typical moroccan hash, would be considered to be slightly better than "soapbar" in the UK. No henna mixed in so wasn't total crap but very mild high (good for sitting on the beach), slight acridity in the flavour, some dark stick residue in the bowl after smoking. Not good hash but at 10 euros for an ounce, one cant complain! (see above notes on avoiding pressure to buy for why we bought this)

deal #3 - 15 grams for ?20 euros. Chefchaoen. 2007 crop from Chefchaeon area. Good commercial quality but a bit dry and old. Light brown hash. Typical of better tourist quality stuff. Would be considered good (not amazing) quality in the UK and at the cheap end of the range in Amsterdam/Netherlands. Slight acridity in the flavour, some dark stick residue in the bowl after smoking. Ok hash really, would have been nice when it was fresh.

deal #4 - 2 grams for free: gift. Oued Laou. 2007 crop from western rif. Top commercial quality. Light brown hash, slightly darker surface. Very volatile under a flame. Good round flavour - distinctly moroccan - with very mild acridity. Quite strong. Would be considered exceptional in the UK and good in the Netherlands. Great stuff.

deal #5 - 2 grams for free: taster. Oued Laou. 2008 crop. Top, top commercial quality, from a caramello (a stick for swallowing/stuffing). Dark brown throughout, very fine granular texture, sticky but not oily or squidgy, broke with a clean snap after gentle heating with lighter. Very very volatile under a flame. Great flavour - distinctly moroccan - with very very mild acridity. Strong. Would be considered exceptional in the UK and very good in the Netherlands. Excellent stuff.

Conclusions - the much touted reduction in the growing zone in Morocco has made absolutely no impact at all on availability! Rif still a good place to buy hash and smoked some of the best I have had in Morocco so no complaints. Chefchaoen however has gone downhill significantly as a place to buy. The town is now very very touristy and somewhat gentrified. Still the same exploitative sketchy pushers hanging around with not alot of quality to offer. Ketama still full of pushy buggers trying to get you to visit their farms. If you are in the rif, go up to Talembote/Akchour instead or head down to Oued Laou, which seems a better place than ever to buy.

Happy to respond to questions. Peace, out. :joint:
 
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RealSupreme

Member
Nice report man.. I love Morocco,, but be careful if ya go with ya wife or girlfriend,,sometimes can be really really danger.. (specially for blond ladies..) but in fact its a great country to visit if ya want some distinct hash..
peace

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limey

Member
RealSupreme said:
Nice report man.. I love Morocco,, but be careful if ya go with ya wife or girlfriend,,sometimes can be really really danger.. (specially for blond ladies..) but in fact its a great country to visit if ya want some distinct hash..
peace
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thanks, mate

indeed, travel in morocco (and indeed, india, egypt, pakistan) with a young lady can attract alot of unwanted attention. I wouldn't say it has put me in a dangerous situation often (only in Pakistan and only then becuase I was with a particularly stubborn Italian girl who wouldn't cover up properly). Weirdly, the hassle in morocco seems to be worst in places where they are used to tourists and the people in untouristed areas are easier to deal with and more friendly. I guess they have to put up with alot of dumb/rude/rich tourists in the touristy areas.

Hoping we can get some more reports and tips on Morocco into this thread so please add in any info you can share on your dope-related Morocco experiences... even if they are negative!

C'mon hash heads, get your reports in! :joint:
 
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levant

Hi limey, nice report I enjoyed reading it.
how hard would it be to bring back/ask for seeds?
 

limey

Member
levant said:
Hi limey, nice report I enjoyed reading it.
how hard would it be to bring back/ask for seeds?

Thanks, mate

Seeds - Not hard at all to find them, though you would be best off visiting a farm to get them. If you ask one of the dealers, chances are, they will palm off any old hemp seed on you (I exaggerate, but am guessing you would want to be sure you are picking seeds from quality stock). The best plan, I reckon, would be to visit a farm or two in August (mind you, it will be fearfully hot) when the plants are at their ripest, and pick up seeds from a farmer who has good plants. The harvest tends to be end of August, beginning of September, depending where you are, and seeds are dried in early September, to overwinter and sow in the Spring. It's fair to say that breeding in Morocco is seldom done carefully and, in any case, it would be very hard there, because there is so much ambient pollen blowing around. Again, this is a good reason to hunt out farmers with good looking plants. You would want to get alot of seeds and grow out alot of plants to select from as there is alot of dross.

Bringing it back - hmm. I am not sure on the legal status for this. You would want to be careful, for sure, and I would take only carefully cleaned seeds, so there is less danger of you being accused of smuggling weed if you were stopped. I would also probably fly out from an airport in the south, Agadir or Marrakech, not try to take it from the north (where the growing is, mostly) and certainly not at the Ceuta land border. I would probably want to bag the seeds up and carry them in a bag containing a bunch of other bags of spices (which are totally worth buying anyway, incidentally, if you or anyone you know likes cooking. Good, cheap spices in Morocco. Cumin and paprika especially recommended). Aside from the visual camouflage, the spices would help mask any weedy smells.

Planting - I would pop the seeds in the fridge for a month or so, as I understand this improves their germination rates. In their natural environment, it is normal for seeds to over-winter in the cold before they germinate in the Spring.

Commercial alternatives - Nirvana seeds do a 'Maroc x Afgan' variety about which I have heard good things. To avoid the hassle and risks of the above, you may want to check them out.
 
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British_Bulldog

In response to Tokerman, I don't think this thread is useless without pics. On the contrary, it's an interesting report, and thanks limey for posting it ;)

Some pics would be extremely nice, but I'm guessing you don't have any, otherwise you would have posted them...but who knows...maybe you're holding back on us, lol!


Peace,

Out
 
H

Hazeseeker

Great report on your stay in Morroco Limey, sounds like an amazing place to be, Hash lovers dream :yummy:
 

EuroToker

Member
RealSupreme said:
Nice report man.. I love Morocco,, but be careful if ya go with ya wife or girlfriend,,sometimes can be really really danger.. (specially for blond ladies..) but in fact its a great country to visit if ya want some distinct hash..
peace

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Was just gonna ask? is it safe to bring a hot white woman there? or not worth the hassle?

My lady and I took a trip to Djerba and ended up staying in the hotel watching movies after i kept trying to tune up every greasy 1 eye-browed fuck who couldnt stop making kissy noises.
 

limey

Member
Was just gonna ask? is it safe to bring a hot white woman there? or not worth the hassle?

Hi, Eurotoker!

Is it safe? Yes, absolutely, tourists are very safe in Morocco.

Will you attract hassle? Yes, you probably will, but I haven't heard any reports for some time that the hassle is all that bad. The differences between Morocco and alot of other countries in that part of the world are:
* a very high proportion of young moroccan men have worked overseas, usually in Spain. They are at the very least aware of "western" values and the sight of a white woman wont send them do-lally
* Morocco is, as these places go, very liberal. You will see Moroccan girls walking around in t shirts and jeans and, in the big cities, you may even see a mini skirt or two (though, bizarrely to our eyes, often combined with a head scarf).

So, you might get a few wolf whistles and the like but then, if your girl is that hot, I'll bet she gets them at home too!

I would be cautious though about going too far off the beaten track with a female companion. As with most parts of the world, people get alot more conservative as you get out in to the countryside. Read my notes on "pressure to buy" and visiting farms. You wouldn't want to get stuck out on a farm (where you aren't really meant to be in the first place) with a lecherous swine and his mates, your girl in tow, 5kms from the nearest road, with night falling. BE CAREFUL where you go and who with. The police - who are generally helpful in Morocco - will likely be a good deal less sympathetic if you have got yourselves in trouble in a situation like that (understandably).

If, however, you just want to go to Morocco to sample some good hash, see some beautiful countryside and buildings, eat some good food, spend very little and have alot of fun then I commend it to you 100%.

If you want advice on where to go and stay, am very happy to oblige.
 
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limey

Member
British_Bulldog said:
In response to Tokerman, I don't think this thread is useless without pics. On the contrary, it's an interesting report, and thanks limey for posting it ;)

Some pics would be extremely nice, but I'm guessing you don't have any, otherwise you would have posted them...but who knows...maybe you're holding back on us, lol!


Peace,

Out

Cheers, Bulldog! Your support is appreciated

I dont have any shots of the hash but i will be posting some shots of the bongs I built there (lol!) in the IC 'tokers den' at some point soon.

Hoping that the descriptions I wrote about the hash give you a pretty good idea anyway.

If you are in to hash p*rn, the book "Hashish!" by Robert Cornell Clark (on Amazon and others) is a really excellent guide to all things resin. I totally recommend it to anyone interested in dope and smoking. It is fabulously illustrated and is as good a book on the subject as you could hope to read.
 
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British_Bulldog

Moroccan :yes:

Moroccan :yes:

Hi limey,

You're welcome, and yes, I've read Hashish! by Clarke, and although there are some nice pics, I believe the text is not always accurate..

I do also like hash pics/porn, it's true, but of course like the other type of porn, it's better to hold it in your hand(s) and enjoy the real thing :D

It sounds like you had some good experiences, and know a fair bit about Moroccan hash, so fair play to you, and I look forward to hearing more from you.

I've never been to Morocco personally, although I was invited to work on a farm, but didn't end up going due to having a big grow to look after.

However, I do regularly travel to the Netherlands and enjoy the best of the Moroccan goodness there (not from coffeeshops).

What would be cool is to go to Morocco with someone who knew where to get the best hash, as I can already get the top grades in the Netherlands, so smoking inferior grades in Morocco would be very disappointing for me.

I'd want to smoke hash that's so strong it blows my socks off and bombs my head so much that I can barely function!! (which is what I smoke in the Netherlands!)

Also, knowing what the top grades are like means my standards are Much higher than say your average UK stoner, and unless it's way up there, I can't enjoy it the same, knowing there's better available!


I've been smoking a Moroccan recently that is a strong creeper, in that it's like calling in an airstrike on your head! B52-style!

At first, you smoke it and it tastes delicious and starts to affect you almost straight away, and you think - yeah, that's some nice hash....then a short time later the 'real' effects come on and the bombardment begins!

Excellent hash, that in fact never goes hard! Even in the cold. It was made in a mountainous region, so maybe the altitude and climate has affected the trichomes, or maybe it's genetic? Have you got any thoughts on that yourself?

I have some superb pics of it around somewhere, and will post them up asap.


Peace
 

Syd

Active member
ICMag Donor
Nice thread, limey. Rich of many useful infos !

3 pics of some medium grade maroccan I had a pair of years ago.







There's a good french video-report you can find in the web. Search for: Kif Kif Reportage Sur Le Hash Marijuana Au Maroc.
 
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limey

Member
British_Bulldog said:
What would be cool is to go to Morocco with someone who knew where to get the best hash, as I can already get the top grades in the Netherlands, so smoking inferior grades in Morocco would be very disappointing for me.

I'd want to smoke hash that's so strong it blows my socks off and bombs my head so much that I can barely function!! (which is what I smoke in the Netherlands!)

Also, knowing what the top grades are like means my standards are Much higher than say your average UK stoner, and unless it's way up there, I can't enjoy it the same, knowing there's better available!
Hi Bulldog,

know what you mean about the usual UK stoner hash standard. So glad I left the soapbar behind years ago!

If you want to find the best quality Moroccan hash, IMO, the netherlands are a better place to look than Morocco, at least, an easier place to find it. I have bought some truly excellent moroccan hash - only beaten once or twice in Morocco itself - in De Dampkring and Katsu. There's a guy who buys (makes?) for dampkring called 'Rifman', though I know nothing about him. Anyway, his stuff is good.

If you are adventurous (or lucky) you can get some proper, quality gear in Morocco though, of course, and it is alot less expensive than in Europe.

what I would really like to do would be to visit morocco with some decent hash making kit - especially some good screens for sifting. There's a good preview video on the international canngraphic main site that shows the sort of raw material there is there, in a word: poor. The trichomes on Moroccan weed are smaller than usual (I assume because of the dry weather) and the weed is all seeded. So the impression I have got is that if you went along to a good farm and got them to hand over a load of raw, unpressed trichomes, you could resieve it and so extract the fatter trichomes from the rest and end up with better hash...

... this would be all the better if you could find a farmer who put care and attention into their crop. Alot of farmers in morocco use chemical fertilisers carelessly and they almost all seem to favour quantity over quality. So I have seen alot of blocks of hash the size of a football but it is kak quality. I am guessing a little but I think the fertiliser use also contributes to the acrid flavour of alot of lower grade moroccan hash.

I met a dealing in Oued Laou this time round who had some really nice hash and had contacts up in the hills who he offered to introduce me to. Of course, I have had alot of these offers but this guy had good stuff in the first place and he was neither pushy nor difficult so I would have been happy to go with him, if Ihad the time and some hash making kit with me. Fortunately, I know where to find him again should the need arise. I can PM you if you are headed that way and interested in an introduction.

British_Bulldog said:
....Excellent hash, that in fact never goes hard! Even in the cold. It was made in a mountainous region, so maybe the altitude and climate has affected the trichomes, or maybe it's genetic? Have you got any thoughts on that yourself?

Peace

Hash that never goes hard - I reckon this comes from two things:
1. typically, hand rubbed 'charas' style resin or...
2. hash with a some (not too much) "green matter" content.
Unlike alot of people I dont think either of these things means "poor quality hash". The best (not the strongest... that's a different question), "old world" hash I have ever had was a charas from the indian himalaya, 1994, brought down from malana buy two english guys I met in manali. Now I know we have all heard alot of tall stories about "malana cream" and all I can say in my defence is that this was 1994 and I think quality was higher back then. Why was it so good? becuase it combined superb, sweet, floral flavours with a long, strong hit...

so, this stuff, obviously, was grown at high altitude and had very good genetics and that leads me to suspect that you are right, altitude and genetics are important. However, I am totally convinced that, with adequate genetics and growing conditions in place, it is the quality of the grow (the farming) that makes the most difference. Not all good weed will make good hash but I just dont think you can make the best hash from crappy weed...

.. which takes me back to Morocco. IF you can find a farm with really well grown weed than I think you have a good chance of finding world beating hash there ; by the same measure, the reason most moroccan hash is actually quite poor is that the weed is badly grown in the first place.

Any thoughts? :joint:
 

limey

Member
Syd said:
Nice thread, limey. Rich of many useful infos !
There's a good french video-report you can find in the web. Search for: Kif Kif Reportage Sur Le Hash Marijuana Au Maroc.

Hi, Syd, thanks for the links, I will check them out

grazie/merci!
 
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British_Bulldog

limey said:
Hi Bulldog,

know what you mean about the usual UK stoner hash standard. So glad I left the soapbar behind years ago!

If you want to find the best quality Moroccan hash, IMO, the netherlands are a better place to look than Morocco, at least, an easier place to find it. I have bought some truly excellent moroccan hash - only beaten once or twice in Morocco itself - in De Dampkring and Katsu. There's a guy who buys (makes?) for dampkring called 'Rifman', though I know nothing about him. Anyway, his stuff is good.

If you are adventurous (or lucky) you can get some proper, quality gear in Morocco though, of course, and it is alot less expensive than in Europe.

what I would really like to do would be to visit morocco with some decent hash making kit - especially some good screens for sifting. There's a good preview video on the international canngraphic main site that shows the sort of raw material there is there, in a word: poor. The trichomes on Moroccan weed are smaller than usual (I assume because of the dry weather) and the weed is all seeded. So the impression I have got is that if you went along to a good farm and got them to hand over a load of raw, unpressed trichomes, you could resieve it and so extract the fatter trichomes from the rest and end up with better hash...

... this would be all the better if you could find a farmer who put care and attention into their crop. Alot of farmers in morocco use chemical fertilisers carelessly and they almost all seem to favour quantity over quality. So I have seen alot of blocks of hash the size of a football but it is kak quality. I am guessing a little but I think the fertiliser use also contributes to the acrid flavour of alot of lower grade moroccan hash.

I met a dealing in Oued Laou this time round who had some really nice hash and had contacts up in the hills who he offered to introduce me to. Of course, I have had alot of these offers but this guy had good stuff in the first place and he was neither pushy nor difficult so I would have been happy to go with him, if Ihad the time and some hash making kit with me. Fortunately, I know where to find him again should the need arise. I can PM you if you are headed that way and interested in an introduction.

...

Hash that never goes hard - I reckon this comes from two things:
1. typically, hand rubbed 'charas' style resin or...
2. hash with a some (not too much) "green matter" content.
Unlike alot of people I dont think either of these things means "poor quality hash". The best (not the strongest... that's a different question), "old world" hash I have ever had was a charas from the indian himalaya, 1994, brought down from malana buy two english guys I met in manali. Now I know we have all heard alot of tall stories about "malana cream" and all I can say in my defence is that this was 1994 and I think quality was higher back then. Why was it so good? becuase it combined superb, sweet, floral flavours with a long, strong hit...

so, this stuff, obviously, was grown at high altitude and had very good genetics and that leads me to suspect that you are right, altitude and genetics are important. However, I am totally convinced that, with adequate genetics and growing conditions in place, it is the quality of the grow (the farming) that makes the most difference. Not all good weed will make good hash but I just dont think you can make the best hash from crappy weed...

.. which takes me back to Morocco. IF you can find a farm with really well grown weed than I think you have a good chance of finding world beating hash there ; by the same measure, the reason most moroccan hash is actually quite poor is that the weed is badly grown in the first place.

Any thoughts?


Hi limey,

To address some of the points in your post:

Trichome size: this is because the strains are traditionally sativas, which have smaller trichomes than indicas; it's not related to the weather.

Therefore re-sieving Moroccan garda to find "bigger and better" trichomes is without merit.

If you talk about Amsterdam, then remember there's a much better underground scene than what's available in coffeeshops.

The hash I'm talking about, which was bought in the Netherlands from someone I know, is as pure as the driven snow, and I've seen this with my own eyes under a 100x microscope.

There is absolutely no contamination whatsoever, no pistils, nothing, just pure trichomes.

It was also dry-sieved and not hand pressed, so thanks for the thoughts, but both those theories aren't on the money in this case.

Thanks for your offer of hooking me up in Morocco, it's much appreciated, however, I'm beginning to question the merit of going there to smoke hash, as the quality I can get in the Netherlands is so good, I can't imagine there being any better in Morocco.

I don't say this lightly either, I say it out of great respect to my source's wares, and also that I've smoked so-called top grade Moroccan directly from a farm, and it wasn't as good as what I can get from NL.

If you read the comments and see the pics in the 2008 Amsterdam 420 thread here on ICMag, you'll see what I mean, from the reactions of people like Capt.Crip, and several others who have smoked the same qualities as I have.

Once I get some pics up, which I'll endeavour to do today, you'll see how high grade I'm actually talking about.

It's also surprised me in how strong Moroccan can be, as it's got the general reputation of being a medium-strength smoke, which I suppose in many cases it is, but when you get the best grades, it can be very strong, as I'm sure you're well aware.

Regarding growing, it's not so much the grow technique, but the genetics which make the main difference. i.e. most established farmers in Morocco know how to grow well enough, but it's the genetics and also the environment which most strongly influence the end result.

I think maybe you've not got much growing experience under your belt, which is ok, but you have gaps of knowledge in that field which undermine your hash knowledge.

You also talk about black hash, which I also like a lot too, but for me it's the Nepalese which is the bomb! And again, I mean the very highest grade, of which I have smoked a few examples of....and wow! what an amazing experience!


Peace man
 

Syd

Active member
ICMag Donor
In my country I can find every quality of maroc hash but the 1st grade aka Zero-Zero, aka Primero is rare just like black hash. Gotta need some luck or/and a good honest friend. Most of the hash we have is mixed and re-mixed with chemicals like trialine. It depends on how many stops the stock made before arriving to final clients and obviously on the freshness itself.
If one day I'll go to Maroc, I'll certainly look for seeds and oil that is unfindable here.
As here we're invaded by maroccan hash, I've never bought the ones sold in dutch coffeshops when I was in the NEDs, but I've smoked some joints of their KIng Hassan and similar and it wasn't so different from the rare 1st grade sold here by street dealers.
 
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