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scoby

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Hello
I am hoping to have a semi succesfull grow this season (expect less and hope for more). I would love to go GONZO size but some of my obstacles are free roaming cattle and water. While I cant really say its a guerilla grow because its my land. I have 40 acres in the montains of the desert southwest at 5200 feet. So while the low desert sees temps of 117 in the summer my property averages 87 for a high, leaving the early fall for some cool nights and hopefully purple color before harvest. My tentaive plan is to do 7 nice sized plants in 100 gallon holes, I allready have those 7 as teens this early in the year, they are in a tent getting only 16 hours a day so that there is less stress when they go out June 6. I know alot of growers do 18 on and then scale back to 16 as June approaches. The strain is sour grapes from a reliable patient, it reaks in veg, so Im hoping for some good meds come september. I also was gifted 5000 or so sour diesel cross cinderella 99 beans from a agent grower for a dispencary here in the desert. I went last week to check on the property but there was snow at 3500 feet that came in unexpectly, my truck was slip slidding all over the road so I turned around and went back down the hill, leaving me with 300 seedlings that I put out in seven different spots at lower elevation. I was not overtly concerned with the planting of them, I took only the first 5 inchs of dirt out and placed the rockwool seedlings into the void and backfilled it with happyfrog. Alot of the seedlings got covered up with soil which is fine because its still cold, those 7 sites along with all of the future plants will and have been gps locked. This leaves me with the best 80 seedlings from that batch that I still have at home. Those seedlings are currently seeing low day temps of 40 at 730 am when I put them out in the morning then they see highs in the 70s during the day, but right before the sun goes down, I bring them in and put them under a t8 flouro. I know thats a lil cold for them in the morning but I want them to get nice and hardened because they will be planted April 15 in holes just big enough to hold the rootball with minmal soil amendment. Along with those plants going in the ground April 15, Im going to pop another 100 or so beans and take them while still in the paper towel and plant those in shallow graves of happy frog just to see what I get out of them. Now last year I planted 8 inch plants mid April, as you would expect they started to flower in May and then revegged, even in doing so I had a jack Herer f1 plant finish at 2 pounds and only in a 7 gal hole of amended soil! Again, Im throwing alot of these out there with no expectations, while my bread and butter is the 100 gal plants that I allready have cooking as teens. Those 7 plants Im going to top and lst so that they can be nice and bushy when they go out in June, they are currently in 1 gal but will see 5 gal before going out this summer. So I guess you could say I have seedlings out allready, juveniells getting hardened now for mid April planting, teens for June, and then sprouts that will go out in between all of this. I mentioned cattle and water being enemies, well I have alot of brush on the property that Im going to surround the juvenilles and sprouts with and my 100 gal plants will be chicken wired. Water, well there is a creek bed that goes thru the property that fills when it rains, and there are natural springs along with free use wells all over the mountain range. Im going to be doing alot of water hauling this season. If the season bears good fruit, I will go ahead and have my own well installed for which I have allready have an estimate for. I have quads and a rv so its going to make for an awesome summer.

Not doing anything special for feed except floranova, humic acid, silicate, and some overdrive with bud candy in bloom. Dont forget the industry standard of superthrive, 1 ml per gal how can u not use it. :)

I am hoping for input from anyone, good or bad in hopes to help me with this seasons run. I have attached some pics, one of which is a group of seedlings from beans that never popped but got a shallow grave anyways. I know they are way overcrowded but the best will make the top and choke out the others, besides Im not to concerned with them, my chief interest is the 80 juves that will be teens going out mid April and the big ones going out in June, everything else is hash oil.

I have one season outdoors for experience but I would be very appreciative for any input of things right or wrong. Especially from well versed guerillas. Wish me luck and I hope you follow!
 

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OLDproLg

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40 acres!!!

Sounds like FUN to me.....87 for a high is nothin!
40 is much to low for the babies???
Good luck!
 

scoby

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40 acres!!!

Sounds like FUN to me.....87 for a high is nothin!
40 is much to low for the babies???
Good luck!

its 44 at 730 am when they go out but by 930 am its creeping into the 60s. then its 70 from noon until 500 ish when I bring them in. It is slower than average growth.
 

scoby

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Heres what one of the better looking f1 plants look like, I need to get them into bigger conatiners perhaps a 1 gal. However, I need another 8 weeks before I can direct ground plant. May get a little root bound in 8 weeks given its current size, but I think we will make it. I said in the opening post that they will only go into a hole big enough for the root ball, but Im thinking do the best 50 or so from the 80 I have, and then put them into 3 to 5 gal holes of 707 and just feed flora nova thru the season. Ill give my June plants that go into big holes a better receipe. If 50 take and I make it thru the season with half of them I would be a happy monkey..... counting them there chicks before the egg even drops. lol
think small and hope for more :)

To be honest, if I do have any flowers in the fall, Im probably going to buy a new washer machine and bubble ice everything.
 

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scoby

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Here are some pics of the property, Im going up in two weeks (waiting for warmer weather), to start riding my atc around so that there are multiple paths and footprints thru out the plot so incase of the unlikely event any humans show up, there isnt one footpath leading to a plant site. I will also start digging holes and piling up tree debris to use as cover. There are nice juniper trees in the area that will do good for hiding plants too.
 

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scoby

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Only thing in life that is constant, is change and taxes? Well my plans changed and I think it will be a better plan of attack for the ease and management of plants. Unfortantly, I needed quick cash and was forced to donate my sour grape teens. They were doing beautiful and were going to be nice a full for June transplant. Then the 300 sprouts I threw out in the cold, either frost or cows got them. However, those 300 were the lanky and less desired of a good sized lot of sprouts of which I donated to various patients and farmers markets. The good thing is that of what I chose to keep back from my first round of seeds that were donated; there is good communication from other patients concerning vigor and stability across the genotype. Can I pick 'em or what! LOL
I will attach a pic of these seed plants as I would be lieing to you if I said they were clone or not the seed I was "gifted".

Well I was gonna start putting out plants in late April and then do a 10 x 20 area of lightly amended soil and Johhny apple seed it, along with some teens in May and then some 100 gals in June. Crazy, plants here, plants there, this big, that big, whatever dont want to deal with it, keep it simple stupid! So heres what I thought would be smarter, start digging holes and fencing off spots now. Of the 80 juvenille plants I have currently, I am going to take the best half of them and put those in the ground in june. Just trying to figure soil budget so that I can figure hole size. I have been looking at the other journals at what growers are mixing up. I know some of you will frown, but Im going to the home depot to look at some organic amend, its 8 bucs for a hay bail sized bag, forgot the cubic ft, but its about the size of a promix bag. A friend called me and said that it had some good stuff in it, poop, kelp, and like 3 other things.

The plants are on a strict regime right now, they get indoor light from 6am to 8am at which time they go out in direct sun and 65 degrees where it warms to almost 80 thru the day and then back inside from 5pm to 10pm. As the day suntime and temps change, they will get more sun and less indoor time. Keeping the plants at 16 hours of light a day and thats how it will stay for 13 weeks until moving day as they will allready be hardened.

I figure in 3 weeks Ill know which 40 Im keeping, get those transplanted, and donate the rest for the sake of space. Right now Im thinking 30 gal holes, like I said I got lucky with a 5 gal and a jack herer that produced 2 elbows, if I knew what I had I would of kept it, bet no one has ever ever done that before lol.

The gorge that runs thru the property has a awesome south facing slope with plenty of great places to plant. The sheerness of some spots would make nearly impossible for any soul to see, might run some rubber hose down the grade and feed from above, getting to the plant site would be no problem but humping (hiking) water would be no fun. However as crazy as it sounds Im doing alot of weight training at a gym right now so that when it comes time for humping in soil and water buckets it wont be so burdensome. The good thing is that the soil has canalope size rocks on the top underwhich there is soft soft dirt. Plus there is a guy who dug his own well in the area with a fence pole pounder and metal pipe.

roots organic big swell is going on the list too.

So thats it for now, waiting to pick out the most desireable plants from the lot, saving for soil and getting ready to go digging.

Enjoying the journey and I hope everyone else is happily growing
 

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scoby

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More good news on the f1 seeds, reports of thick healthy stocls, so that makes things sound better. Was at 80 juvs and picked out the laggers for trading, and leaning out purposes. leaving me with 47 really nice looking juves.

I dont even want say Im going to do this or do that anymore, in terms of this monkey grow as I have no frekin clue. It seems that the opportunity for 40x40 by area, wrapped with deer fencing, on 8 ft centers, 24 of the 100 gal grow pots. No digging and better soil. Going the easy way out and just buckin up 8 bags of happyfrog per bag. The food is going to be all 1 part, the npk ratio changes like 5 times during the grow. Im sure alot of you are aware of what Im talking about, Im such a clueless nut, I have no idea but will name drop it when I get it.

24 plant sites with 25 gal of water a week, I figure about 600 gals a week of watering.

As for the balance of the juves they will go up the hill for sparatic planting around the end of April. If those get 5 gals of water a week I dont care, as long as they survive.

That does leave me in a nicer spot once again, less plants, and less watering. However, against my own conscious, Im still going to go ahead a let let it rain seed thru the property come the end of April also. Hate to give up a nice stock of seed, which still leaves me to chasing down males thru the season. If the those seed thrown bubbas pop and grow, they will see very lil water, unless something just looks incredible.

Im sorry to be so flippy floopy, but this is a work in progress and I must be honest Im just trying to figure out whats going to be the best way to do this. The only thing left to figure is keeping the rain out in late flower on the 100 gals, the rest can get wet without hesitation. Probably going to have to do a bunch of pvc tents with 6mil painters plastic. Thats way far off anyways, but on the bummer part I still think Im going to need some shade action on the 100 gals during the hot months, the neighbor 80 acres away told me that there are "days" where it can get close to 100 degrees but its only everyonce in awhile and when it does its only during the afternoon as the evenings and mornings are still below 85 degrees at that elevation.

The only constant from the beginning is priority for the big pots, the rest is just fun times growing, expect less, and hope for more.
 

Friend

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I'm definitely going to be following along with this grow, i hope you can sort out all of the technical aspects and get things going soon!! Sounds like you have a lot of work to get done this spring

:watchplant: :shooty: :D
 

mapinguari

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Weight training for cannabis growing, I love it!

McPartland, Clarke, and Watson claim that seedlings do better with cold temps than mature plants do, even 32 f is no biggie to them.

You might try to put heat underneath them, at least.

You can use a waterbed heater pad, plant starter pad, or even rope lights under an air mattress partly filled with water. At least then the root zone will get good warmth, something to dig for.

Good luck!
 

scoby

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Sorry its been awhile for a update, every time I have plants vegging for my June transplant another patient contacts me for genetics, which I feel obligated to help and find myself in need of donations. Unfortunately I had to cut everyone off or I will find myself with nothing to plant this summer! Currently I have 99 small ones going in 20 ounce Styrofoam cups. They see the sun from 6am to 7pm and the rest of the time they are under t8 fluorescents inside. As June approaches I plan on scaling back the light cycle. With 7 weeks to go before throwing them in the ground I think they should be a descent size and topped a few times. I honestly would of liked to put full 28 inch plants outside but a friend with several successful outdoor runs tells me anything between 18 to 24 inches tall will be sufficient for transplant day. He had a mission perfect purple dream cut out of Grass Valley, CA. that he was putting out at only 8 inches tall, and finishing early Sept. with incredible and quality yield.

I have finally settled on a nuts line, I'm going with General organics (with aspirations of yummy taste and nose) and supplementing molasses. I would use their flora nectar too but I have been told that molasses is better for a sugar source.

On a good note I have some plants (from the same genetics I'm going to run) which are direct ground plants from March that only see hose water but are getting very sticky and smelly as the day is 13 hours long, so I'm not sure if they are going to revert to veg as the sun gets longer.

Better yet, and this has my body singing in relief, I got rid of the 40 acre parcel that was going to require hauling water for another equal size parcel that has a year round running spring coming out of the mountain! Yes!!! Part of the trade included easier mountain roads and going from 4700 feet to 5400 feet which provides cooler temps, this is great because at 1200 feet the days can be 114 degrees for weeks.

Less not forget to mention I found a place online that has 300 foot rolls of deer fencing for 289 bucks. The stuff is made up of 2 inch squares, comes in black and is 8 foot high. There is cow dung scattered all over and I don't really want to feed the local free range cattle.

We want to do 36 licensed and legal plants but that would mean almost 300 bags of soil to hike in. Might do smaller pots or less plants, will let you know as time goes on. Flat spots are few and far between on the rugged terrain.... so the cows must be recon rangers in my opinion as I have a hard enough time negotiating the joint myself.

To be honest this journal may not see any entries or pics during the summer. I will be well off grid, so don't think I didn't finish the journal as I hope to have some cool pics and a summary of how things went after a happy harvest (counting chickens before hatched).

I attached pic of the gravity fed holding tank below. I hope to clear some spots downhill of the hold so that I can continue the gravity feed.

Until next time! Take care and happy growing! :tiphat:
 

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scoby

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Im punching my skull right now because I left myself hanging with no good size plants to start the season with (my bad), so next year Im for sure vegging out some super topped 36" tall ones for a big bag.

Walked the property markers yesterday and was greeted by two fat mule deer, they were some karate beasts, while I startled them they jumped 6 feet in the air and as they ran off they were kicking trees when jumping over them, hello fencing.

While walking it was cool but I still received a redneck from the sun intensity at 5400 feet mile high. Hello shade port, found a good place online that has some big poly squares with grommets for a great price.

I attached a before and current pic of the feb. seed throw in the side yard, really smelly sticky and getting no nutes. Its the same seed stock Im using this summer so it was good to see that it gets sugary with a great nose.
 

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scoby

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I looked at mitre saws, air compressors, and nail guns at harbor freight; then I had a lock down on deer fencing, and large shade screen but then I found these killer shade canopies with bug screen sides. While they allow no sunlight thru like regular shade screen does, it does have a roll up top which will allow full morning sun and then once it hits 90 degrees ill roll it down. The bonus is that it doesn't allow water thru so when it rains when those flowers are getting fat we will be able to keep 'em dry. 38 days to go!!! (before xplant)

The canopies are 350 each with shipping and they measure 20x10. I know a solid amount of cash but I have more business with a power tool then mr. magoo does lol
have a good day :laughing:
 

Hortic

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Sounds like you have huge plans. I like it. I can't wait until we get to see some pictures of all of those plants flowering. :D
 

scoby

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Sounds like you have huge plans. I like it. I can't wait until we get to see some pictures of all of those plants flowering. :D

Really would of liked to had bigger plants before transplant and larger containers but it should be a fun run regardless.
 

scoby

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Well folks I wouldn't be a person of integrity if I didn't come back and say I failed. Don't really want to go into specifics but I will say learning from mistakes is paramount. Not giving up, planning to make another run next year, but for now we are done. I wish happy growing and good karma to all
thanks for stopping
 

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