MOMS DIEING NEED HELP!!!

[stussy22]

Grow in: soil
From: clone
Age of plant: 9 Months
What stage: veg
Medium: FoxFarm soil
Pot size: 2 Gal.
Have they been transplanted, if so how long ago? a month ago trimmed roots and re potted
Water runoff Ph? 6.5 PH
Nutrients added? Botanicare Liquid Karma, Cal Mag, Pure blend Pro Grow
Feeding schedule? LK every other water. Pure Blend Pro Grow and Cal mag to get a good 4/2/1 ratio
When were they last fed/watered? 4 days ago
How are you determining when to feed/water ? depending on how dry the soil is on top
TDS/EC/PPM? dont mesaure...
Tap/RO/Distilled water? Tap
Ph before and after adding nutrients? 6.4-6.9 after 6.5-7.0
Is your Ph equipment properly calibrated? Yes electric ph tester
Light intensity/Age of bulb/Wattage? (4) 20w T12
Distance to the canopy? 12"
Temps at canopy? 85day - 69night
Temps at root zone or reservoir? not measured
Day/Night temps (Min.-Max.)? 85-69
Current air flow (CFM)? small fan at base of plants blowing 150 cfm+
Is there air blowing directly onto plant? yes from below onto plants
Using CO2? No
Relative humidity? 55%-70%
Has plant recently been pruned, clones taken, fimmed or pinched? transplanted and cut back roots to keep it bonzi, and cut clones 3 weeks ago.
Pests? white flies i believe and trips possible not sure


Well got my moms as clones back in December of last year (06), had them in 2 gallon pots roots started getting to big so read
bonzi post here and did as needed. I took cuts from the moms 3 weeks ago. I have noticed the leaves starting to get a little black spots on leaves and turning brow from the tips out. also there was a clear almost reflective white tint across small parts on the leaves. I did some reading I think the plants might have white flies and possibly Thrips. I picked up some Fungicide spray says can be used up to the day of harvest has .9% clarified hydroponic extract of neem oil. There are few leaves and how many/much should i spray onto plants? When I bonzied and replanted them i just cut the roots smaller and potted into new soil. and watered heavily. Should I have don't anything else to insure a higher rate of rooting to occur? Any help would be great thanks.



gbum mom after cutting clones



close up of gbum mom



close up of gbum



close up of gbum



lovly grow area



PK mom



neem spray with .9% neem

thx guys

 

[Blackvelvet]

Excellent with the 4:2:1 ratio. You might not save them. Looks like mites. Check the undersides. Don't be so brutal on the mothers for clones in the future. Leave more leaves.

Super stoned.

 

[stussy22]

mites? spider mites? im gonna go lightly on the spray an gonna try out gnatrol. to see what i can do. what makes u say mite bv?

 

[hydroclops]

If you don't save them I would hope the clones take and just make a new set of mothers.

also next time do one or the other not both at the same time(taking clones and cutting roots)
Might have stressed the hell out of her.


Good luck and please let us know how it turns out.

 

[stussy22]

ya and i have noticed i on my 3rd grow with gbum and the plant is very sensitive to nutes lighting and transplanting. the PK is a lot hardier than the other and can take a lil bit of mis balance in nutes o ra little more heat stress than the other. But I do have what looks like 2 soil really good fast rooting clones. so well see what i can do. Would you recommend spraying them with the neem spray or with the damaged leaves would it cause more harm than good?

 

[stussy22]

would skeeter dunks help? and if so i read it calls out for 1 dunk per 100 sq ft of soil surface. what do you guys commonly use to ride these damn pests away?

 

[hydroclops]

I would try 1 thing at a time, as not to stress her out to much.

And maybe a fly strip, Like the sticky ones.

 

[inflorescence]

Never trim the roots of a plant that doesn't have an extremely healthy canopy. (and vice versa).
If there are no leaves and you trim the roots the plant needs to use the energy from the sugar produced in the leaves to regrow. If there are no leaves the roots won't regrow and the plant will die.

 

[Jenna]

reminds me of the blight of 06 we experianced... lost 9 Mom's... Did you find that there was pretty much no new root development since your transplant?

This is what we found.. healthy plants, good system and all of a sudden wham.. they start dropping... moved so darn fast...Anyhow adding Potassium fixed things for us... ( build it up into the soil so there was an excess before the plant starts using it. We found it has to be built up in the soil over a period of time because slamming it isn't going to work. (weak plant couldn't handle a huge dose of it anyhow). We started giving it potassium 1/4 to 1/2 a normal feeding for about 6 feeds...everytime we watered. Anyhow, this started with lil black spots so I figured I would put it out there for you just in case its not a bug thing

I don't know.. does it kinda look like this to you?

http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=289245&sort=1&size=medium&cat=500&page=5

Good Luck!

 

[stussy22]

I would try 1 thing at a time, as not to stress her out to much.

And maybe a fly strip, Like the sticky ones.

Ya i think i might try dunks only on these. I am having a similar issue with my ones flowering right now pics soon to come.

Never trim the roots of a plant that doesn't have an extremely healthy canopy. (and vice versa).
If there are no leaves and you trim the roots the plant needs to use the energy from the sugar produced in the leaves to regrow. If there are no leaves the roots won't regrow and the plant will die.

I cut back roots and replanted. then i took the clones. eather way i messed up and should have thought of that stupid noob mistake. but hey it was my 1st time cutting back roots. good think i got some healthy clones that i can start new ones. Take a look at what u think is going on with my ones flowering right now thx for the help inflore

reminds me of the blight of 06 we experianced... lost 9 Mom's... Did you find that there was pretty much no new root development since your transplant?

This is what we found.. healthy plants, good system and all of a sudden wham.. they start dropping... moved so darn fast...Anyhow adding Potassium fixed things for us... ( build it up into the soil so there was an excess before the plant starts using it. We found it has to be built up in the soil over a period of time because slamming it isn't going to work. (weak plant couldn't handle a huge dose of it anyhow). We started giving it potassium 1/4 to 1/2 a normal feeding for about 6 feeds...everytime we watered. Anyhow, this started with lil black spots so I figured I would put it out there for you just in case its not a bug thing

I don't know.. does it kinda look like this to you?

http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=289245&sort=1&size=medium&cat=500&page=5

Good Luck!

It doesnt look like what u were talking about jenna thx for the input. I'm thinking its more of an issue that inflorescence called out with my cutting clones pretty quickly right after i cut back roots. plus i think i have a pretty bad white fly/trip problem check the pics of my ones in flower mode gonna throw them up right now. thx for

 

[stussy22]

Alright here is my other little problem on my hands. I have some plants in flower same problem i will refrain from doing a write up on those seeing that it is most likely a pest problem. I just watered them and gave them a light spray with the 3 in 1 i posted earlier. Here are some pics of how they look.



PK


pk close up


pk close up


hole in leaf.


bottom of Gbum leaf


close up on Gbum leaf


some type of bug or something that came off below the bottom of the leaf

 

[Jenna]

ewwwwww. God thats the one thing I HATE about growing...bugs... yuck.. i hate bugs!

Glad to see you found the cause of your troubles and hopefully your ladies are on the mend.

 

[stussy22]

ya 1st summer i'm growing so get to go through all the noob lessons. But crossing my fingers its something with whiteflies or close to it hoping to get a little more imput

 

[hydroclops]

Stussy22, give this link a try, it should give you just about any info on sick and bug infested plants.


http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688

 

[stussy22]

sweet thx for the link gonna give a read. I'll let ya know how it goes the Gbum mom isnt looking to great i think she might be done. But the PK mom is a beast that thing can take a lot of torture..well its swerves cut so its gotta be good ;-)

 

[stussy22]

well...muh Gbum mom didnt make it..oh well got a healthy clone that will be the new mom. learned my lesson the hard way i guess. I think the PK might pull through though shes pretty tuff. As for the flowering ones. I gave them a floral feeding with just water before giving them a heavy spray of 3 in 1. Looks like it was mite white flies and hopefully thats it. I threw a sticky trap in the top corner of my box so hopefully all is well.