MOC Little Angel

hoosierdaddy · Jul 4, 2009

I got 5 Ministry of Cannabis "Little Angel" feminized autoflower.
I cast only one of these seeds, and placed it in a ~3gal pot when it had it's first 5 finger set of leaves. I placed the pot outside in my secret garden.
It seemed a little slow at first, but soon took on a very vigorous stretch period.
I had to support her stalk a bit, due to the plant overgrowing itself.

She's a nicely structured plant.
But here's the thing...
It has been outside since May 31, and there is still no signs of sex. She has just formed her 11th node, and the node distance is getting much smaller, but no flowers.
I measured her at 32" tall. The stalk where my inspector is gripping is about 1/2dia at that point. (bit larger there than at the base)
Do I have a mutant auto...or maybe a nonauto? Rare pheno with no auto trait? I am clueless about autos and perhaps an auto aficionado will chime in?

I didn't crop out the 500gal tank to give some size reference.

dontae1000 · Jul 4, 2009

i saw those seeds online, figured they were lowryder copy cats under a differant name or unstable b.s. autos, i think u got the latter............theres alot of b.s. autos out there, most arent dwarfs but are those that start to auto earlier then traditional 12/12 strains, sometimes as early as 6 weeks... stick with lowlife and jointdocters if u want a sure thing under 10 weeks-

krazycure · Jul 4, 2009

That massive stalk looks alot like another thread on here....perhaps just a plain rudy?

hoosierdaddy · Jul 6, 2009

I dunno, MOC claims that this plant can get up to 35cm, which it has already grown to that height. It does seem to have stopped stretching, but still no preflowers yet.
The breeders claim is that it will start to flower after about 2 1/2 weeks from germination.
Mine have been up and healthy since May 27, and outdoors since the 31st.
Now, I am not stuck with a bad grow, as this was just an experiment into autos for me. I am not depending on this plant at all, just wanted to try one. And although it does look like it may well be a nice plant, with a very large hollow stalk, it isn't what I was looking for in a autoflower strain. I think maybe I should have looked into a dwarf strain of AF.
And I also understand that it may just be the phonetic expression of that particular plant, and it didn't take on the rud side of things.

The only thing that has me a bit upset is the size description. My outdoor grows must be hidden, so I lst everything in the field and keep most everything under 24" tall.
Had I known about the explosive growth of this plant, I would have been tying her down early on.

I have been very impressed with the quality of product that MOC has, and I would hope that I just have a strange pheno, instead of them peddling unstable rud mix strains. Surely they have this thing bred down to full on auto, and not just selling F1's with a fractional auto rate.

Krull · Jul 6, 2009

Some MOC stuff is very good but we had a lot of BAD reports about this "AF" strain on the italian forum... you're warned...

Peace

=K

hoosierdaddy · Jul 6, 2009

Thanks for the heads up...but exactly what is the warning?

Krull · Jul 6, 2009

No autoflower... if you don't force them 12/12 they keep vegging. Someone in our forum has Little A. vegging from 3-4 months outdoor... So i think this strain is bs, not your fault/luck.

Cya

=K

Gene-weaver · Jul 6, 2009

Germ the other beans and see if they do the same if so its a bs af

lowrdr · Jul 6, 2009

i had some of these. they wont flower automatically, i pulled mine after about 3 months of vegging. ive tried to warn alot of people about them as they are complete garbage

hoosierdaddy · Aug 5, 2009

Just an update....

THis plant got about twice the size of what the pics show. I had to supercrop the main stalk twice to keep it stealth in the garden.

Sumbitch is a male. Glad I was on top of it too, cause it is in with some funk already flowering. Needless to say that after finally deciding I would try an autoflower, and buying femminized autos and getting no auto and no fem...well, it's needless to say.

Anywho, MOC has sent me a replacement pack for the "defective" as they put it, seeds.
I have a hard time buying "defective" when a male shows up in a supposed femmed pack. That is more a "packed by a bonehead" move to me. (shrug)
They did send me more seeds, which is righteous. And I have had nothing but good luck with them so far, so I am not bad mouthing anything but this fucked up pack of seeds that almost cost me my secret garden.

Dammit, I want to do an auto! lol...

SmokeyTheBear · Aug 5, 2009

that plant look awfully damn big for an auto-flowering strain. what happened to you sounds like what's happening to me with nirvana's short rider. pretty damn stupid. false advertisement sucks.

lowrdr · Aug 5, 2009

they sent me a replacement pack too. guess what, they didnt autoflower either! i also got males in my fem seeds. MOC are complete rip off merchants, i wouldnt touch them again with a 20ft barge pole if i was beating them with it

hoosierdaddy · Aug 13, 2009

See, I don't care what anyone says...if there are males, they were not femmed seeds, and it takes a boneheaded move to mess that up. An unacceptable move really, if you are in the seed business. Males in femmed seeds is no friggin "defect". It's dumbass at the helm, is what it is...plain and simple.
If I were the business man of such a venture, and my breeder threw some shit on me like this...I'd recall all my stock, and his ass would be blackballed.

That being said, MOC sent me new seeds.
I have them germing, and I have time for them to finish here outdoors. But, I don't think I dare risk my top shelf plants that are budding now. If I were to have to miss a grow visit or two for whatever reason, and one of those phuckers mans up on me and spoils my girls with some bullshit dutch shit pollen, I would be a bit upset to say the least.

I think they will make some great gifts to a worthy bro. (shrug)

lowrdr · Aug 13, 2009

hoosierdaddy said:
See, I don't care what anyone says...if there are males, they were not femmed seeds, and it takes a boneheaded move to mess that up. An unacceptable move really, if you are in the seed business. Males in femmed seeds is no friggin "defect". It's dumbass at the helm, is what it is...plain and simple.
If I were the business man of such a venture, and my breeder threw some shit on me like this...I'd recall all my stock, and his ass would be blackballed.

That being said, MOC sent me new seeds.
I have them germing, and I have time for them to finish here outdoors. But, I don't think I dare risk my top shelf plants that are budding now. If I were to have to miss a grow visit or two for whatever reason, and one of those phuckers mans up on me and spoils my girls with some bullshit dutch shit pollen, I would be a bit upset to say the least.

I think they will make some great gifts to a worthy bro. (shrug)

i got males in my lowlife blueberry "fems" too, and i didnt even order those, i ordered 10 regular. but i guess you make more cash by selling 5 reg as fem for twice the price!

hoosierdaddy · Sep 22, 2009

The five replacement seeds that were sent to me were planted in the organic garden a while back. All 5 are flowering and there are two apparent phenos...
The sucks hairy sack pheno, and the sucks asshole pheno. Both suck.
I think this whole experience has ruined me on the auto thing. They just aint for moi.

I may take a finish shot when they are done. They aren't worth the click of the shutter, IMO.

S_a_H · Sep 22, 2009

Don't give up yet on the auto's. You can't condem all of the AF's from just one grow from a untested unknown companies AF strain.

At least find some AF seeds of a strain you can find a few grows of to see how they look and turn out.

Wait for MD's Sour 60 to come out and give those a go. I already grew some and plan on growing out the cross of it I made while testing them for MD.

S_a_H

lowrdr · Sep 22, 2009

hoosier: little angel is NOT an autoflower so you cant base an opinion of autos on a plant that isnt actually an auto. try some of lowlifes seeds or the joint doctors low#2 and i guarantee you will not be disappointed. i started on little angel and devil too and it did spoil my ideas, but as soon as i grew lowryder 2 i was hooked!

*mr.mike* · Sep 22, 2009

I wouldn't say autoflowers sucked, but I would quickly say that MOC sucks.

So many documented grows of so many good AFs - you just happened to pick the wrong one.

I can't blame you though, I had a friend who bought a Yugo without so much as a test drive. He only rides a bike now.

hoosierdaddy · Sep 24, 2009

Well, I have been growing MOC Carnival for a good while now, and it continues to be one of the most vigorous, funky, resin laden plants in my garden. Easily one of the best pots I have ever smoked in my 37 years of toking. Best yielder too.
Although they won't release the linage, it is definately a stable strain. Each plant from seed is nearly identical in every way.
It was an easy decision for me to pick their autoflower offerings. Shame they gargle balls.

MOC Carnival

csedge · Sep 24, 2009

damn i got thei rbig bud in veg hopefully its sweet like that doubt it tho big bud big bud isnt a potent strain from everything ive read

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