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Miranda Flushed Down the Sewer

LEDfoot

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Supreme Court: Pre-Miranda silence can be used as evidence of guilt

The Supreme Court says prosecutors can use a person's silence against them if it comes before he's told of his right to remain silent.

By JESSE J. HOLLAND

Associated Press

WASHINGTON —
The Supreme Court says prosecutors can use a person's silence against them if it comes before he's told of his right to remain silent.

The 5-4 ruling comes in the case of Genovevo Salinas, who was convicted of a 1992 murder. During police questioning, and before he was arrested or read his Miranda rights, Salinas answered some questions but did not answer when asked if a shotgun he had access to would match up with the murder weapon.

Prosecutors in Texas used his silence on that question in convicting him of murder, saying it helped demonstrate his guilt. Salinas appealed, saying his Fifth Amendment rights to stay silent should have kept lawyers from using his silence against him in court. Texas courts disagreed, saying pre-Miranda silence is not protected by the Constitution.

The high court upheld that decision.

The Fifth Amendment protects Americans against forced self-incrimination, with the Supreme Court saying that prosecutors cannot comment on a defendant's refusal to testify at trial. The courts have expanded that right to answering questions in police custody, with police required to tell people under arrest they have a right to remain silent without it being used in court.

Prosecutors argued that since Salinas was answering some questions - therefore not invoking his right to silence - and since he wasn't under arrest and wasn't compelled to speak, his silence on the incriminating question doesn't get constitutional protection.

Salinas' "Fifth Amendment claim fails because he did not expressly invoke the privilege against self-incrimination in response to the officer's question," Justice Samuel Alito said. "It has long been settled that the privilege `generally is not self-executing' and that a witness who desires its protection `must claim it.'"

The court decision was down its conservative/liberal split, with Alito's judgment joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Anthony Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia.

Liberal Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan dissented. "In my view the Fifth Amendment here prohibits the prosecution from commenting on the petitioner's silence in response to police questioning," Breyer said in the dissent.

Salinas was charged in 1993 with the previous year's shooting deaths of two men in Houston. Police found shotgun shells at the crime scene, and after going to the home where Salinas lived with his parents, obtained a shotgun kept inside the house by his father. Ballistic reports showed the shells matched the shotgun, but police declined to prosecute Salinas.

Police decided to charge him after one of his friends said that he had confessed, but Salinas evaded police for years. He was arrested him in 2007, but his first trial ended in a mistrial. It was during his second trial that prosecutors aggressively tried to use his silence about the shotgun in closing remarks to the jury.

Salinas was sentenced to 20 years in prison. The Texas Court of Appeals and the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals upheld the conviction, with the latter court saying "pre-arrest, pre-Miranda silence is not protected by the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, and that prosecutors may comment on such silence regardless of whether a defendant testifies."

The case is Salinas v. Texas, 12-246.
 

ydijadoit

Active member
Remember the story about the frog and the boiling water? Drop the frog in, it will hop out. Heat the water slowly, and he will cook to death.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I am feeling strange urges to hop, lately, and a tendency to snap fungus gnats out of the air with my tongue...
I have never fully trusted my government, or any human who likes the title "Official" or "Authority".
I have always viewed these people with great suspicion, as most prove to be sociopaths, seeking power and control, while hiding behind a badge, a tie, or a desk.
Lately, I am becoming more and more alarmed at the actions taken by my government.
It's getting scary here, folks.
Keep your shit wire tight.
We are losing unprecedented freedoms, just in the last two months.
No politics here, I don't give a damn which party we point our fingers at. The problem is much deeper.
Sorry for the rant. I am truly afraid for the country I have lived in all my life.
Be well, and stay free!
 

resinryder

Rubbing my glands together
Veteran
If questioned don't say a damn thing until you get a lawyer. Let the mouth piece do the talking. Incriminate yourself by remaining silent. What a crock of shit.
 

hush

Señor Member
Veteran
I remember having a discussion with a lawyer a year or two ago wherein he told me that due to "some changes in the courts regarding the miranda laws" one should always from here on out actually STATE out loud that he is invoking his 5th amendment right to stay silent. Not saying anything at all, when the miranda rights havent been read yet, is no longer valid. You have to actually say "I am invoking my 5th amendment right to stay silent. I need to call my lawyer now."

I don't know how true this is, or if it ties in to the information in this thread, but it reminded me of that discussion I had back then.
 

resinryder

Rubbing my glands together
Veteran
Your lawyer is quite right. You have to break your silence in order to invoke you 5th amendment right to remain silent. Can thank the SCOTUS for that too Bunch of black robed motherfuckers.
 
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