Hey guys, just decided to keep a few photos and insight to what i got growing, instead of storing pictures on my phone, I've decided to start a journal here instead and give little updates from time to time. These seeds were aquired from the company Ace Seeds in 2016 which I believe is located in Spain. My grows are all micro done in a cabinet or small tent. A total of 5 seeds were planted and out of the 5 that germinated 1 was a Mutant which was culled. That left me with 4 plants 1 Male, 2 Females and 1 that is possibly a Hermaphrodite (Not to sure at this time). All the plants except for the Male were slow growing (This could have been due to Grower errors). Out of the 4 plants 2 showed Maroon to Dry Blood colored stems (Both of these are Females). The other 2 plants (The Male and Undecided) have a unique feature about them and was noticed from a seedling. These two plants turn Purple when cold and then reverts back to its Green color when temperatures rise again. The Maroon Red/Dry Blood colored Stems did not switch back and forth between colors when cold was induced. The plants are small right now and are currently in Flower due to the space restraints I'm committed too.
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revegeta666
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Shame about that male 
What about the one you said that could possibly be a hermi? Best of luck
What about the one you said that could possibly be a hermi? Best of luck
Hermed! And killed it yesterdayShame about that male
What about the one you said that could possibly be a hermi? Best of luck
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It's looking like out of the 2 left I am going to have another Herm. Which would leave me down to 1 plant that I do believe will stay Female but only time will tell. If by any chance it does remain a female I've decided to go a little off track since I didn't get a Male this time around and that I wiould hit it with some Anvil Autoflower pollen since that's the only Pollen I have in storage at this time. At this point I've lost hope in these plants and are just watching them do their thing. I'm just waiting for the rest to herm so that I can move on to the next pck.Shame about that male
What about the one you said that could possibly be a hermi? Best of luck
revegeta666
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I assume you checked thoroughly for light leaks or other possible issues?
No light leaks, but I did have some errors on my part such as high Temps as much as 100 degrees a few times, under watered at times and possibly under fed at times.
revegeta666
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Those are all causes of stress but it is weird they would hermi just because of that. This strain is sold as being very resistant to stress. You didn't have any issues of this kind in previous grows?
No i didnt have any issues of Hermaphrodites in my previous grow (But that was an Autoflower), I have 2 females left I'm watching. I'm going to hit them with some pollen tomorrow and decide what I'm going to germinate next.
Finished pollinating this Morning. Both plants seem to have kept their gender. Both plants are the same size and may look the same but differ from each other in their own way. Theirs 2 phenos left 1 Red Stem and 1 Green Stem. The Red Stem plant seems like it will be of Green flowers while the Green Stem plant is showing colors of Pink in its preflowering stage. I was expecting quite the opposite from the two plants being that the Pink Flowers would be on the Red Stem plant and vice-versa. I am not disappointed with the genetics. I push the plants to their limits. The small clustered environment, ventilation, heat, juggling time between work and home/Family etc. But what I do believe is that the best plants are able to sustain the worst and harshest conditions "uncontrolled environments" and shows to grow vigorously in any condition and I think my grow style is perfect window for weeding out the weak amongst the more environmentally defying plants. I'm highly considering re-vegging the Pink flowered plant for a Mother to the next PCK line I germinate. Something in the back of my mind is telling me to keep this plant off to the side as I move forward. In the case that she turns Purple I really won't see a need to keep her around or re-vegg her being that I could find it again in the other PCK line.All plants would be the same age from when I germinate so I won't have to mix 2 different nutrients solutions. I won't see a need to keep her around if she's not special. At this point she's caught my interest.
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@BMG if you don't mind me giving my opinion, judging by the pictures, the plants look stressed from the first post. I would suspect overwatering as one of the main problems, because of how the leaves look, a little puffy and discolored. Possibly leading to a pH imbalance. They do look unhappy. Overwatering can have a snowball effect and fuck everything up really. You said yourself as well there is a heat issue.
What kind of lights are you using? New led lamps, like Quantum Boards and the like, can also be a reason of stress. I have made quite a few different strains show hermie flowers from the light intensity, and so have most of my spanish grower friends. Transition from HPS lamps has been quite a bumpy journey for many growers. I was scratching my head for a while thinking about what would be the reason until I discussed this with other growers to whom the same has happened. In a couple of years I have learned that less is more with these new lights. If you are using one of them I would suggest buying a cheap luxometer (less than 10 eur/$), and not let the plants endure over 30,000 lux. This is not a very precise tool because it doesn't measure properly some parts of the led spectrum, but it will give you an idea of the ideal distance. Online guides in growshop websites and such, tell you that flowering plants should take up to 60,000 lux. This is very much a lie. When being conservative with these leds, I found that usually the plants will stretch until they find themselves at ease with the light intensity, and more or less stay at that distance. If you have a dimmer on your light I would use that, if not I would give them more distance the next time. On the other hand, regarding the heat issue, if you are using these new leds, plants should be fine and mostly stress free with temps up to 34ºC.
And by the way, until you find out the reason for this, I personally wouldn't be growing any expensive pack of seeds. What I would do is do a test grow, being conservative with the grow light and mindful of how much you are watering. I would use cheap bulk seeds or freebies, before I am sure there's nothing in your environment that's causing this, i.e. the lights. I would save the expensive seeds until you can discard environment problems. Light intensity, light leaks, overwatering, overfeeding, proper ventilation, and such. I am sure they would be more at ease with bigger pots as well, but small pots being the reason for plants to go hermi is a new one for me. There are many people growing plants this size from seed in small pots at 12/12 with no issues. So pressing X hard to doubt here. Sorry.
What kind of lights are you using? New led lamps, like Quantum Boards and the like, can also be a reason of stress. I have made quite a few different strains show hermie flowers from the light intensity, and so have most of my spanish grower friends. Transition from HPS lamps has been quite a bumpy journey for many growers. I was scratching my head for a while thinking about what would be the reason until I discussed this with other growers to whom the same has happened. In a couple of years I have learned that less is more with these new lights. If you are using one of them I would suggest buying a cheap luxometer (less than 10 eur/$), and not let the plants endure over 30,000 lux. This is not a very precise tool because it doesn't measure properly some parts of the led spectrum, but it will give you an idea of the ideal distance. Online guides in growshop websites and such, tell you that flowering plants should take up to 60,000 lux. This is very much a lie. When being conservative with these leds, I found that usually the plants will stretch until they find themselves at ease with the light intensity, and more or less stay at that distance. If you have a dimmer on your light I would use that, if not I would give them more distance the next time. On the other hand, regarding the heat issue, if you are using these new leds, plants should be fine and mostly stress free with temps up to 34ºC.
And by the way, until you find out the reason for this, I personally wouldn't be growing any expensive pack of seeds. What I would do is do a test grow, being conservative with the grow light and mindful of how much you are watering. I would use cheap bulk seeds or freebies, before I am sure there's nothing in your environment that's causing this, i.e. the lights. I would save the expensive seeds until you can discard environment problems. Light intensity, light leaks, overwatering, overfeeding, proper ventilation, and such. I am sure they would be more at ease with bigger pots as well, but small pots being the reason for plants to go hermi is a new one for me. There are many people growing plants this size from seed in small pots at 12/12 with no issues. So pressing X hard to doubt here. Sorry.
Hey Thank You guys for all your replies and a big shout out to Ace Seeds and Dubi for their great customer service and attention to my thread. Ace Seeds went out of their way to read my thread, view the pictures and then respond to what was happening even with a few tips for next time and I'd like to send a special Thank You to Ace Seeds for going above and beyond expectations for a little guy like me who just wanted to post a thread to store pictures since I can't have them stored to my phone. In NO Way was this meant to be a knock on the Company Ace Seeds or the people who work for them. There was Errors on my part that could have contributed to Hermaphrodites during the grow. I've also saw a thread on another Forum where people where getting Hermaphrodites growing PCK from a Breeder who went by the Handle "BeanHo" which was also supposedly sourced from Cannabiogen. With my Micro Grows the plants are put to the test and only the best survive some plants perform better than others even it being of the same strain. To be honest I was expecting some Hermaphrodites due to inbreeding. I've seen MANY SPECTACULAR grows from people on this forum and other social media's that don't have 1 issue with the ACE PCK line and many of the plants are beautiful Males and Females that people keep around and revegg. Through the trials and tribulations I'm not disappointed. Out of the 5 Seeds I was left with 1 plant that I'm keeping around to revegg. It's a Female plant with Pinkish/Red preflowers that I've nick named "Something Special" . I'm leaving her on 24hr light for 3 Days before I revert her back to her Veg schedule.
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revegeta666
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Really? Wouldn't you expect the intersex tendencies would have been bred out of the strain generation after generation? Wouldn't that be the first goal of a breeder? Especially a strain which is known as a breeding tool.
What are you going to sow for your next grow? Are you going to use cheap seeds for a test grow like I suggested? Or are you going to have another go at the pck?
Also would you be so kind to link me to the cannabiogen pck thread? I have been interested in this strain for a long time to get started with my first breeding project, but have been quite doubtful about it lately. Maybe send it to me through PM, in case it's not allowed to link another forum or whatever. Thank you very much
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Since it was inbred for so long I was expecting to see Hermaphrodites and Mutants but not so many. No, I haven't taken your advice in planting cheaper seeds. I believe the stronger plants will show themselves wether they're dirt cheap seeds or expensive seeds, to be true to their sex and have strong genetics to with stand uncontrolled environments and would be able to adapt etc. I have 1 plant from Ace still that is a strong plant in different conditions such as, dry, wet, humid etc. It withstands drastic changes with heat and cold. It also showed to be a true female and stay that way so far from Seed to Reveg and is a beautiful pinkish/purple color in preflower. I'll be doing a root trimming soon and repotting with this plant. This plant was also pollinated with Anvil F7 Pollen and will be collecting the seeds while the plant is in veg and then it will be put back into flower again to be bred with another PCK from a different breeder.Really? Wouldn't you expect the intersex tendencies would have been bred out of the strain generation after generation? Wouldn't that be the first goal of a breeder? Especially a strain which is known as a breeding tool.
What are you going to sow for your next grow? Are you going to use cheap seeds for a test grow like I suggested? Or are you going to have another go at the pck?
Also would you be so kind to link me to the cannabiogen pck thread? I have been interested in this strain for a long time to get started with my first breeding project, but have been quite doubtful about it lately. Maybe send it to me through PM, in case it's not allowed to link another forum or whatever. Thank you very much
As far as to what I will be growing next it would be a PCK from Jtoucan, I have 2 more of Ace's packs his Purple and Green PCK but am going to give him a break right now for the mere fact that I don't know if his other packs would do the same and want to see what Jtoucans PCK does in this type of environment before coming back to the other 2 Ace PCK Packs. Also I don't want to have to give Ace Seeds what they would probably deem as 2 Bad Grow reports in a row if it happened again. I like Ace Seeds!
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If your asking about the thread where growers were experiencing Hermaphrodites from the PCK line, let me make this clear and state that those seeds were from a Breeder who supposedly sourced them from Cannabiogen by the name of BeanHo and NOT from Ace Seeds. If you'd like to view the thread all you have to do is a Google search for "Pakistani Chitral Kush BeanHo"Really? Wouldn't you expect the intersex tendencies would have been bred out of the strain generation after generation? Wouldn't that be the first goal of a breeder? Especially a strain which is known as a breeding tool.
What are you going to sow for your next grow? Are you going to use cheap seeds for a test grow like I suggested? Or are you going to have another go at the pck?
Also would you be so kind to link me to the cannabiogen pck thread? I have been interested in this strain for a long time to get started with my first breeding project, but have been quite doubtful about it lately. Maybe send it to me through PM, in case it's not allowed to link another forum or whatever. Thank you very much
