Michael Moore: hero or villain?

[HCSmyth]

Michael moore: Film-maker.

I don't really gauge him as you would batman or the green goblin.

I dont think he's the most objective reporter ever, but who is. At least he throws a different perspective into the mixing pot.

In regard to this above statement, I said:

^I think you made a really good and balanced point here. Too often people make very black and white judgements on political type threads, which lead to them becoming messy ego driven flame wars.

I will let my above point speak for it self. Stoned2Death, fortunately for me you are not the sole judge and jury as to whether my points are useful to other people!

 

[emmy75]

I think MM is like so many others who have direct access to the media. i think in farenheit he tells only half truths. But depending on which side of the fence youre on you may say he goes far or not far enough. 911 is such a divisive issue with so many questions and no good answers so that it calls on our strongest passions from him and those who watched it and those who didnt.

I don't think there was much criticism regarding Bowling for Columbine, which i thought was a great movie.
Although i like several of his movies I don't agree with everything he says and actually he kinda gets on my nerves during interviews. But he makes me think. And i know i learn alot more from watchin his movies. i usually goolge things mentioned in his moviez and try to find out the facts.

So i guess after all that i guess i can say i like him. im no worse for watching his movies and i do feel like im alot more informed.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

just another bullshitter like 'em all

 

[okwildfire]

come on moore..eat the tainted twinky...what a sick walrus..

 

[Guest]

I will let my above point speak for it self. Stoned2Death, fortunately for me you are not the sole judge and jury as to whether my points are useful to other people!

You really do have no value here. You don't grow, smoke, or have anything to do with cannabis. You are only here to stir shit in anything slightly political, and your post history has always been quite telling of this. So, from the point of view of ICMAG as a whole (you know, place for people who grow/smoke pot), your "contributions" are as good as nail in the head.

Quit diverting the topics around here for your own agenda and discuss the topic or just leave.

 

[Guest]

I could take him or leave him, I don't really care much. But, I do think it's good that he gets people thinking as long as they take what he says with a grain of salt.

 

[Stone Locust]

just another bullshitter like 'em all

Please explain sheriff bart

 

[Backdoor man]

oh FFS...
some people will believe anything they read on the internets...

The official version of the 9/11 attacks is probably the biggest joke in history, only a fool would believe any of it.
But our overlords dont need to worry about that because they know only too well that the vast majority will never bother to do it.

Why are you not asking questions why at least 9 of the supposed 9/11 arab hijackers are still alive and well, and have always protested their innocence all claiming to have had their passports stolen or lost in the year preceeding the attacks? This has come out in the news, the BBC even interviewed some of them!

The Israeli Mossad agents, found in a white removal van with box-cutters and traces of explosive residue, caught and arrested after witness's had phoned the police saying they were filming the 9/11 attacks and giving each other high fives as the planes hit the towers - why are you not asking why Michael Chertoff personally saw that these agents were released and deported back to Israel on mere immigration violation charges despite the fact that the feds wanted to keep them after they had all failed lie detector tests?

Why are you not asking why the owner of the WTC's Larry Silverstein went on film claiming that it was decided to "pull" a third building (WT7) despuite the fact that the official version says that falling debris from the other towers caused this building to collapse.
The list of questions goes on and on and on, its quite staggering, as anyone whos ever bothered to try and find out knows.
But what is most staggering to me is people like you, who just refuse to look at things objectively, refuse to use any form of logic preffering to unconditionally accept what the men in suits tell you, those same men in suits that told you about WMD's, are you insane?

 

[Guest]

I've asked "truthers" here a simple question regarding Silversteins video over and over again,its always ignored.Maybe someone can clear this up for me.Why would Silverstein deliberately make a video incriminating himself in "pulling" the building?Why stare straight into the camera and expose an illegal and immoral conspiracy that he is a part of?Could context possibly play a role in his confession haha?

 

[Kirby]

Michael Moore is a joke if you think he's a hero you obviously do not know a lot about him. There are people out there doing so much more than he is. He's just trying to earn a buck.

Well said. MM should be considered nothing more than a "pundit" posing as an educator for the "dumbed down" America. He's a hoax.

 

[Guest]

I've asked "truthers" here a simple question regarding Silversteins video over and over again,its always ignored.Maybe someone can clear this up for me.Why would Silverstein deliberately make a video incriminating himself in "pulling" the building?Why stare straight into the camera and expose an illegal and immoral conspiracy that he is a part of?Could context possibly play a role in his confession haha?

The truth is, they often put stuff like this out there and RIGHT in your face. They could have done it just to give them something to laugh about. "Look, we even TOLD THOSE IDIOTS we did it!!"

When you control the media and the money, as the zionists do, it doesn't matter what you say. Hell, the Iraq war was a TOTAL blatant LIE, yet we've still got our sons and daughters DYING for it. WTF? They know they can put it right under your nose and not worry about it.

If you can't look at Larry's ties to Israel and his friend Aerial Sharon whom he talks to on the phone EVERY week and figure it out, it doesn't matter anyway. Then, you look at the fact that they control the truth movement as well with people like Alex Jones and We Are Change, you can see they DO in fact divulge information. They put out just enough to win people's trust, and steer them in the wrong direction. 911 truther idiot squads screaming "911 was an inside job" being led around like a herd don't even realize it.

When you have total situational control, it doesn't matter what Larry says. He could say, "yep, we blew it up cuz we already lost so much that day" and everyone would accept his reasoning anyway.

 

[BadKarma]

I think MM would have starved to death had he lived anywhere but the USA. He does however get the dialog going on many topics which no matter how you feel about them need to be discussed.

 

[Kirby]

Stoned2Death, I do not believe Alex Jones is apart of the Zionist regime like you say. His information & his websites are legit. If you do have any additional information regarding him, though, I would love to view it.

 

[zymos]

Conspiracy nuts have got to be some of the most pathetic fallout of the global information age...

 

[Germanator]

Respect Moore if for nothing else making health care an issue in this election. Period

Germ

 

[Backdoor man]

Conspiracy nuts have got to be some of the most pathetic fallout of the global information age...

No the most pathetic fallout are those supposedly sane and normal folks like yourself who can never ever seem to put up a decent arguement against the "nutty conspiracy theorists".

If these conspiracy threories are so crazy, then it shouldnt be too difficult to dismantle and expose them - yet you sheeple never seem to do this.
Ive given you just a few examples in my previous post, why not make a start right there?

 

[zymos]

It's IMPOSSIBLE and pointless to put out ANY argument that will stick. It's like trying to argue with a 2 year old, or a paraniod schizophrenic, or Jehovah's Witnesses that come to your door.

People believe what they want, without a shred of fact or personal knowledge. Because of crap that they read on the internet. Like how so many people are experts in metalurgy and explosives and can tell you withouty a shadow of a doubt why it was impossible for a plane to bring down the WTC. Because some wingnut on the internet said so-not because you got a PhD in engineering and have decades of practical experience.
For one example.
Yet the people who DON'T believe it are the sheep???

 

[Backdoor man]

It's IMPOSSIBLE and pointless to put out ANY argument that will stick. It's like trying to argue with a 2 year old, or a paraniod schizophrenic, or Jehovah's Witnesses that come to your door.

An infant, a mental patient and a religious fanatic - thats quite a few smearings all rolled into one, the neo-cons, the monoploy media magnets and their banker puppetmasters would be proud of you.

People believe what they want, without a shred of fact or personal knowledge. Because of crap that they read on the internet. Like how so many people are experts in metalurgy and explosives and can tell you withouty a shadow of a doubt why it was impossible for a plane to bring down the WTC. Because some wingnut on the internet said so-not because you got a PhD in engineering and have decades of practical experience.
For one example.
Yet the people who DON'T believe it are the sheep???

Without going too far into detail about how i "woke up", i didnt need to read the internet (i didnt have it until recently) for the first "alarm bells" to sound with regards to 9/11 - On the very day it all happened i watched in astonishment as a BBC reporter told of an FBI press brief that said the leader of the Hijackers (Mohammed Atta) passport had been found intact amongst the burning rubble of what remained of the twin towers. To the reporters bemusement the FBI then recanted and told the reporters that a mistake had been made and they hadnt found the passport after all!
That one moment for me was the start of a process of unravelling the lies and deceit foisted on the public about what supposedly happened that day, i didnt simply believe what some faceless computer geek was telling me happened, neither though was i willing to unconditionally accept what proven liars like Bush and company were telling me had happened.
I look at things with an open mind, i dont follow any kind of political agenda so nothing needs to fit into my particular worldview, i evaluate the evidence presented and then make a judgement once i am satisfied i have looked at the evidence from every angle.
And i repeat - only an idiot would believe the official government version of 9/11.
You havent even bothered to have read it have you zymos?
Why make judgements and get stuck argueing about something you havent even bothered to study?

 

[Guest]

Umm, IMHO Michael moore is a NOC agent, who resides in the media to swing "truth seekers" in a certain direction. Sorta like how Majicians force cards on you... you feel like your in control and alot of people "feel just like you". YEAH! thats his "Job".
Thats just my view of what i know of him over the past several years.. I dont know about his history as a human being but I do know how he brings "just enough" to the table then disappears into the back ground. Never to get anything done on his causes, but to hoodwink the "truth seekers" long enough for the Government/Regime to get done what it needs too.. like a Ninja throwing down a Smoke bomb to disappear to a nearby hidden location so he can assassinate you with his blowgun haha.. but thats just me..... hahah.. /sigh.

Kannamaven,


P.S. to all the peeps who think No Way he is a NOC agent, B.S!.. you think people get hired for jobs like this is some sort of resume, tie, interviewer and if they like you you get the job.. These government agencies come to you when you are in school, to harvest people to train... most spies dont go to boot camp.. they go to sissy colleges and get into the psyche of humans.. Bah!.. be well all...

 

[Guest]

Stoned2Death, I do not believe Alex Jones is apart of the Zionist regime like you say. His information & his websites are legit. If you do have any additional information regarding him, though, I would love to view it.

Here's a look at Alex Jones:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Alex-Jones-summary.html

Investigate the truth seekers? Not a bad idea...
http://www.erichufschmid.net/InvestigateTheTruthSeekers.htm

Of course his info is legit! Ask yourself this one though. How did HE predict 911 including the part about using planes as weapons? How the HELL did he know about that, but couldn't figure out the Israeli involvement?? Maybe he's like the 5 dancing Israelis ( http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Bollyn-dancing-Israelis.html ) that were sent to "document the event".....how the HELL did THEY KNOW? Hmm..