MCT and coconut oil

[chefro420]

I have a patient with severe crohn's . Poor guy has been losing a lot of weight lately among other issues . He constantly suffers from nausea and has a really hard time eating. SMoking his meds was helping, but no longer is doing the trick .

We have tried edibles , but got very little positive effect . I was thinking maybe his stomach intestines were having a hard time with absorbing the canna butter . I was thinking of MCT oil or coconut oil as these are more easily absorbed into his system. I was also going to ad soy lecithen too.

Anyone else have any experience of info to share?

Thanks!!

 

[thighrod]

From what I understand, you can simply cook up some kief/hash dissolved in any oil, cook in the oven at about 250 F for 25 minutes or so, and you will have a fully bio-available medicine that is concentrated but potent.

 

[chefro420]

From what I understand, you can simply cook up some kief/hash dissolved in any oil, cook in the oven at about 250 F for 25 minutes or so, and you will have a fully bio-available medicine that is concentrated but potent.

Missed what I was asking. MCT and coconut oil are more easily absorbed into your system . My patients digestive system is not like a normal persons.

 

[Bionic]

Suggest that he drink grapefruit juice 20-30 mins prior to ingesting medibles. It will neutralize the CYP-450 enzyme and allow more of the active to reach his bloodstream. If he is on any other medications though, this is a bad idea as it will also increase their blood concentrations, possibly resulting in overdose. If he's not, tell him to give it a shot.

 

[chefro420]

Suggest that he drink grapefruit juice 20-30 mins prior to ingesting medibles. It will neutralize the CYP-450 enzyme and allow more of the active to reach his bloodstream. If he is on any other medications though, this is a bad idea as it will also increase their blood concentrations, possibly resulting in overdose. If he's not, tell him to give it a shot.

Thanks!! What is CYP-450's purpose? WIll let him know!

 

[Bionic]

Well it has many functions but the one that pertains to us is that it metabolizes drugs and toxins leaving very little to make it into the bloodstream. Make sure he's not on any other meds though... Please!

 

[darklands]

I don't have hard evidence, only my own experience, and based on that I have to believe that coconut oil is better for us than dairy butter in all respects. Coconut oil has plenty of documented health benefits, whereas I don't recall ever hearing much positive about dairy butter. Coconut oil has a long history of use on skin and hair, and I assume that one reason for this is that it is relatively easily absorbed and is more resistant to rancidity than butter. If that's not enough, it also smells and tastes better than butter when mixed with cannabis, and is easier to work with. I mean, seriously, which would you rather jerk off with, dairy butter or coconut oil? Case closed.

 

[chefro420]

LOL, jerking off with butter or coconut oil!


Ok , so is pressed coconut oil better to get or the chemically processed stuff? I wanna grab some asap , so I can get this going.

Thanks

 

[Chimera]

chefro,
if you want my take on it, use hemp seed oil. Hemp seed is one of the only complete food sources on the planet; it's high in both the linoleic and linolenic acids (omega 6 and 3) and will readily dissolve kief... at least put it into a pretty good suspension. It's a very healthy oil, so you can consider using more oil per trichome ratio than you would with other oils.... and obviously the more oil you use per gram of trichomes, the better the resins will dissolve. With other oils, a larger quantity of oil may be unhealthy (more saturated fats, transfats etc) but a greater quantity of hemp oil is not harmful - hemp seed oil is %80 essential fatty acids, and the ratio of omega 6:3 is very similar to what is ideal for the human diet.

I personally think there's too much emphasis being placed on the decarboxylizing step of cooking... if your cannabis is properly dried the cannabinoid-acids have already been converted to their neutral form and are already active. I think further processing is unnecessary.

If hemp seed oil is not a viable option (it's still relatively expensive due to the need for cold-pressing) consider flax, or whatever other type of oil your patient might need in terms of their general diet. Resins are soluble in any oil, but you can also use alcohol to make tinctures, which can be delivered both sub-lingual and via the stomach.

Best though to go with hempseed oil if you can.

Hope that helps,
-Chimera

 

[chefro420]

Thanks!!

I will keep that in mind for my other patients. It's just coconut and MCT oils ability to be absorbed easily , that has my interest. Regular edibles don't effect him. He also has a very difficult time absorbing vitamins and minerals from his diet . SO Im thinking , that maybe that's why the edibles , don't do anything for him!

I will report back. Trying to source some locally tomorrow .

 

[thighrod]

Could also look into a tincture which is absorbed in the mouth and mostly skips the gastric system.

 

[eloquentsoution]

i have extensive experience with coconut oil. you are correct in you assumption of using it rather then other fats, for a number of reasons. it is metobolically closest to the composition of our own oils so it absorbs very quickly. it is very healthy with short and medium length fat chains. it passes the blood brain barrier. just off the top of my head.

i formulate all of mom's meds with coconut oil. she has alzheimer's.

 

[chefro420]

i have extensive experience with coconut oil. you are correct in you assumption of using it rather then other fats, for a number of reasons. it is metobolically closest to the composition of our own oils so it absorbs very quickly. it is very healthy with short and medium length fat chains. it passes the blood brain barrier. just off the top of my head.

i formulate all of mom's meds with coconut oil. she has alzheimer's.

Killer !! That's what I like to hear! Im also going to make some really strong ones for a woman with severe MS . SHe was doing well on edibles previously . They enabled her to ditch the wheel chair and walk!! Unfortunately here cg's edibles are no longer effective and making her queasy .

Im hoping some of these made with BHO and dry sift and the lecithin will get her free of the wheel chair again!!! Will keep ya posted on her progress with these too!

 

[Imona Potboard]

Chefro420

Has this patient had any surgeries to remove any of his intestines?

maybe digesting isnt the way to go if this is the case. Maybe entertaining the idea of a suppository or some sort of mouth absorption is the answer.

 

[chefro420]

Chefro420

Has this patient had any surgeries to remove any of his intestines?

maybe digesting isnt the way to go if this is the case. Maybe entertaining the idea of a suppository or some sort of mouth absorption is the answer.

yes , he has had some parts removed. Im not sure if he'd go with inserting a wad down south .... Im going to try some tinctures , that he could swish in his mouth too . He has tried 1 coconut oil edible and found it worked .

 

[Imona Potboard]

Best of luck, brother. I'm glad he has a friend like you. This is a nasty disease I wish on nobody

 

[chefro420]

My friends wife loved the bho caps made with coconut oil!! Still have to meet up with my patient with crohn's

 

[Mr. Mountain]

Can you post your recipe? Did you use lecithin?

I am interested in the exact same thing, an oral hash/cocoanut oil extract for sub-lingual admin or regular digestion.

I made some BHO caps for 4/20 using 1g BHO per ml of cocoanut oil. I decarb'ed at 250F for 27 minutes and loaded roughly 0.8g of oil into each "00" capsule.

I did not use lecithin. I am interested how much/if it would increase potency, and at what ratio it would be added?

I gave 2 capsules to everyone that attended the GD movie, they rocked our collective worlds. Some of us took both at once and others spaced them out by roughly 60-90 min. All of us got pretty wasted. I even had a "hard head" who "can't" get high on edibles tell me over and over how impressed she was with the BHO pills.

I'm sure I don't need to make them that strong. In my defense I wasn't trying to make medicine, I was making party favors!

What's your recipe?


Mr. M

 

[Vape-pro]

Hey chefro , I use the extra virgin coconut oil in cookies in place of butter and they rock. Also use fancy honey in place of the white sugar. Those two things might react well with your patient's sensitivities. Search for the recipe titled "bye bye butter cookies" on a major search engine , should be fairly easy to find. Otherwise i could write it down for you. Anyway i make the cookies with old vaporized weed thats been extracted with 99% iso and they work real well every time. I just double boil the coconut oil with the purged iso resin and it combines quickly. Also i think there is something to the MCTs and how they help absorption of cannabinoids, Just my experience , hope it might help ya ! peace

 

[chefro420]

Can you post your recipe? Did you use lecithin?

I am interested in the exact same thing, an oral hash/cocoanut oil extract for sub-lingual admin or regular digestion.

I made some BHO caps for 4/20 using 1g BHO per ml of cocoanut oil. I decarb'ed at 250F for 27 minutes and loaded roughly 0.8g of oil into each "00" capsule.

I did not use lecithin. I am interested how much/if it would increase potency, and at what ratio it would be added?

I gave 2 capsules to everyone that attended the GD movie, they rocked our collective worlds. Some of us took both at once and others spaced them out by roughly 60-90 min. All of us got pretty wasted. I even had a "hard head" who "can't" get high on edibles tell me over and over how impressed she was with the BHO pills.

I'm sure I don't need to make them that strong. In my defense I wasn't trying to make medicine, I was making party favors!

What's your recipe?


Mr. M

I followed the OP's recipe . 8ml -2g . I have my patients take a lecithin supplement, didn't mix in .