May have a problem - do these seeds look ok to you?

[The123321]

I am trying to germinate 2 seeds from mephisto. I took one of those little plastic containers that deli meat is sold in and washed it out and took 2 pieces of paper towel wet them and put the seeds in it then closed it and wrapped the bottom in newspaper to block light from it and sat it on my router. The next morning I looked at it and the bottom was very hot from the router. Then 1 of the seeds had a little white tap root but I read to wait until it is longer to plant it so I left it but I put an extra sheet of folded newspaper under the container on the router to try to block some of the heat. Now it has been like 3-4 days since I put the seeds in the container and this is what they look like on there.

https://imgur.com/a/qZohrZm

Do these seeds look ok to you or do you think that it may have had more heat than is ok on the router on there?

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Your tap root looks like its rotting or has a virus or has over heated/fried.....i dont think it was a good idea to keep it that hot...usually 20-25°c is good in the actual seed area...looks like you have had it too high wich can encourage nastys....just plant it in soil now....the microbes in the soil might be able to help it gett through but I wouldn't bank on it now....

 

[The123321]

Thanks. Do you think that may be why the bottom 1 has no tap root out yet? I do not want to waste seeds. What about my method would you do different? Do you think maybe wrap the container in a t shirt? Or would it work to instead put the container on top of the fridge under the cabinet. It is not hot there. Do you have to have heat or would room temperature be ok though may take longer?

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Yeah probably putting the container wrapped in a tshirt with a good few folded layers towards the underneath would have probably helped....you need a gentle heat that is just slightly warm....an also try and use good clean water and tissues/kittchen roll thats clean and dosent have any contaminants like perfumes...if you have to an the seeds take a while to germinate you can just change the tissues daily with fresh water....sometimes its a good idea to whipe the seeds down and clean them a little before you attempt germination as you never know whats on them or wher theyve been.
Your bottom seed has probably over heated inside...but that colouring around them is not a good sign...indicates some sort of unwanted growth or degrading of the seed an shell...

 

[The123321]

Thanks. Do you think planting directly into a jiffy pellet would be more fool proof? I only have a few more seeds in the pack and do not want to waste them. Even if it takes a few days extra I would rather have the most fool proof method on there.

 

[Jestocost]

Thanks. Do you think planting directly into a jiffy pellet would be more fool proof? I only have a few more seeds in the pack and do not want to waste them. Even if it takes a few days extra I would rather have the most fool proof method on there.

Soak for 12 hours. Plant in moist soil. Keep over 70 degrees Fahreinheit.(sic.) Warm soft light. Wait three days.



It's how the seeds were designed. Paper towels work but, they're an extra step that can - and in your case did - add an extra failure point.

 

[aridbud]

We either direct seed plant (being autos), or soak in food grade H2O2 overnight.
Messing with damp paper towels are a nuisance, but I have arthritic fingers.....and plant a plethora of seeds at a time.

Work smarter, not harder. As Dark Storm mentioned, plant it and see. Good luck!

 

[TheDarkStorm]

There you go The123 ....these guys are very experienced guys...they know wat there doing and are giving you good advice...you need a bit of experience with the paper towel method...it does work very good with the advantage you can see wats going on...but you have to do all the work in creating the right conditions for the seed....wer as some good mild seedling soil will do the work for you.....the seed has evolved to have a symbiotic relationship with good soil..

 

[The123321]

Thanks. These seeds are newly received from mephisto. I had read that soaking is something many people do with older seeds. Do you think I should still soak the seeds overnight before putting into media or plant it right into the jiffy pellets? The coco coir will have dry amendments in it so I read it may be good to start the seed in a pellet first then put it in the 3 gallon fabric pot with the amended coco coir. Or do you think I should skip the jiffy pellet and put it right into the pot of soil? What does the soaking do? Just make it faster?

 

[AgentPothead]

I might practice a few times with non marijuana seeds to get the knack of germinating down. I'd suggest tomatoes or if you have access to it hemp seed.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Thanks. These seeds are newly received from mephisto. I had read that soaking is something many people do with older seeds. Do you think I should still soak the seeds overnight before putting into media or plant it right into the jiffy pellets? The coco coir will have dry amendments in it so I read it may be good to start the seed in a pellet first then put it in the 3 gallon fabric pot with the amended coco coir. Or do you think I should skip the jiffy pellet and put it right into the pot of soil? What does the soaking do? Just make it faster?

The soaking in water just softens the seed shell some...makes it alittle easier to get the water inside to germinate...you have to be careful with soaking tho...sometimes with very vigorous seeds they can crack open underwater...this is when youll risk drowning them or them rotting...probably in your case to be safe soak the seed in a glass of clean water for 6-12 hours...they sometimes float on top of the water wen you first put them in...so just tapp it down...if it comes back up, give it a hour or 2 and then tapp it down again...once theyve been under water for about 6-12 hours carefully pick it back out and plant it...if its cracked dont wory..just carefully plant it crack down or if the tapp root is poking out plant it with the tapp root facing down carefully so not to damage it....if you have jiffys put it in ther about 1cm down an just lightly cover the top, dont press the soil hard over it just gentle...if youve not got jiffys just put it in good soil...put the jiffy/or small pot now with the seed now planted in place on top of a plate...place this plate on the warm surface you tried to germinate the seeds earlier...the thickness of the plate and the length of the jiffy pellet or small pot will keep them from over heating....if you see the pellet or soil drying out just add a little water...after 3 days you should have a shoot popping out ...if you get any problems then just let us know..cuz sometimes the shell getts stuck ...but if that happens we will deal with it then....hope that helps..and good luck on your little journey hope you have fun.

 

[aridbud]

Thanks. These seeds are newly received from mephisto. I had read that soaking is something many people do with older seeds. Do you think I should still soak the seeds overnight before putting into media or plant it right into the jiffy pellets? The coco coir will have dry amendments in it so I read it may be good to start the seed in a pellet first then put it in the 3 gallon fabric pot with the amended coco coir. Or do you think I should skip the jiffy pellet and put it right into the pot of soil? What does the soaking do? Just make it faster?

Jiffy pellets are made of peat...and too acidic for auto seeds. Larger vegetables yes, but you are taking your chances with Jiffy....variable peat acid factors. Mentioned in previous post a good method to use.

Suggest you read up thoroughly before planting. Plenty of info out there. GOOGLE is your friend.

Or read up here. https://www.icmag.com/modules/Find_Threads/index.php?stext=growing+autos

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Jiffy pellets are made of peat...and too acidic for auto seeds. Larger vegetables yes, but you are taking your chances with Jiffy....variable peat acid factors. Mentioned in previous post a good method to use.

Suggest you read up thoroughly before planting. Plenty of info out there. GOOGLE is your friend.

Or read up here. https://www.icmag.com/modules/Find_Threads/index.php?stext=growing+autos

Aridbud...thats quite interesting...I didnt know they were too acidic...do you happen to know wat sort of ph there at ...I would have thought wen adding the standard tap water of around 8 would balance it out...but if there hitting too to low a ph level it may help alot ov people knowing that.

 

[packerfan79]

Thanks. Do you think planting directly into a jiffy pellet would be more fool proof? I only have a few more seeds in the pack and do not want to waste them. Even if it takes a few days extra I would rather have the most fool proof method on there.

I went 4 for 4 with the mephisto's I have running now. Just popped them in a cup with some happy frog and kept them fairly moist till they broke the surface.

On the jiffy pellets I killed 3 packs of bodhi seeds, my second seed purchase in jiffy pellets. One by one they went from standing tall to laid over dying. If may have been some other factor, but the next time I used happy frog with great results.

Hope this helps.
Packerfan79

 

[aridbud]

Aridbud...thats quite interesting...I didnt know they were too acidic...do you happen to know wat sort of ph there at ...I would have thought wen adding the standard tap water of around 8 would balance it out...but if there hitting too to low a ph level it may help alot ov people knowing that.

We don't use them. Worked in commercial greenhouse for a few seasons decades ago....learned from them. Not wasting time using Jiffy products. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Use them if you want....like packer, results are very similar.

 

[The123321]

Thanks. I think I may try a different method next time like to soak the seeds in bottled purified drinking water for like 12 hours then put them into jiffy pellets or into the 3 gallon fabric pots. I am looking at putting dry amendments in the coco coir instead of using liquid nutrients and I read that the jiffy pellets give a little buffer. Have you tried jiffy pellets or would you recommend direct to the 3 gallon pot on there? I would rather plant it directly into the coco coir though with the dry amendments I do not want to waste these 2 seeds putting it directly in it thought that is what it looks like that mr canuck on youtube does on there. I may try 1 seed in the jiffy pellet and 1 seed direct in the coco coir to see which works better with it on there.

 

[packerfan79]

Thanks. I think I may try a different method next time like to soak the seeds in bottled purified drinking water for like 12 hours then put them into jiffy pellets or into the 3 gallon fabric pots. I am looking at putting dry amendments in the coco coir instead of using liquid nutrients and I read that the jiffy pellets give a little buffer. Have you tried jiffy pellets or would you recommend direct to the 3 gallon pot on there? I would rather plant it directly into the coco coir though with the dry amendments I do not want to waste these 2 seeds putting it directly in it thought that is what it looks like that mr canuck on youtube does on there. I may try 1 seed in the jiffy pellet and 1 seed direct in the coco coir to see which works better with it on there.

You are making shit way to complicated. I think you would be better off starting with soil and get a couple successful harvest under your belt.

 

[AgentPothead]

If you HAVE to use a starter pod, I highly recommend Rapid Rooters. I've never had any issues using them for seeds, but I have definitely had issues using jiffy pellets. And if you only have a small supply of seeds, I highly recommend practicing germination on non marijuana seeds. That way you can dial in your environment and get 100% germination rates before throwing expensive seeds at the problem.