Massachusetts to temporarily ban the sale of e-cigarettes and vaping products

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Massachusetts to temporarily ban the sale of e-cigarettes and vaping products
Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker has called for a temporary statewide ban on the sale of all e-cigarettes and vaping products in response to a nationwide outbreak of lung injuries associated with vaping.
"I'm officially declaring a public health emergency in the Commonwealth due to severe lung disease associated with the use of e-cigarettes and marijuana-infused vaping products," Baker said during a press conference on Tuesday.
"I'm requesting that the public health council order a four-month temporary ban on the sale of all vaping products in retail establishments, online and through any other means, effective immediately," he said. "We as a Commonwealth need to pause sales in order for our medical experts to collect more information about what is driving these life-threatening vaping-related illnesses.

Massachusetts would be the first state to issue such a ban, which would last through January 25, 2020. It would apply to all vaping products and devices, including tobacco and marijuana, according to the governor's office.
The ban comes in wake of a multi-state outbreak of lung injuries associated with vaping, which is currently being investigated by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the US Food and Drug Administration.

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/24/health/massachusetts-vaping-ban-bn/index.html

 

[Ringodoggie]

How can people be so misinformed. These are supposed to be the people we trust to be in charge.

How sad.




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[Fred Sanford]

Yet cigarettes are just fine.

 

[Americangrower]

How can people be so misinformed. These are supposed to be the people we trust to be in charge.

How sad.




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They are not misinformed, they are just using these 9 cases of vape related deaths ( black market thc tanks) to put in motion their real engender. Which is to ban vaping because tobacco sales just dropped another 11%. That means the baco state tax is down 11% as well. That tax is used to pay the settlement from the former smokers lawsuit.

If Charlie boy really cared about " Health Concerns" he would ban all tobacco sales in Ma.

 

[GGNo2]

They are not misinformed, they are just using these 9 cases of vape related deaths ( black market thc tanks) to put in motion their real engender. Which is to ban vaping because tobacco sales just dropped another 11%. That means the baco state tax is down 11% as well. That tax is used to pay the settlement from the former smokers lawsuit.

If Charlie boy really cared about " Health Concerns" he would ban all tobacco sales in Ma.

This is the real deal!
This is what's really going on.

 

[Drewsif]

This is the real deal!
This is what's really going on.

Is it really?

Man, we need Internet pot growers in the white house! They are on too of everything.



"natural poppy opium bad fake test tube heroin good." "China would be the world super power if it wasn't for opium, here's your fentanyl"

They did that because heroin sales dropped right!

 

[GGNo2]

Is it really?

Man, we need Internet pot growers in the white house! They are on too of everything.



"natural poppy opium bad fake test tube heroin good." "China would be the world super power if it wasn't for opium, here's your fentanyl"

They did that because heroin sales dropped right!

Listen what's happening at the moment is an USA issue. The people Ill have only been vaping between 2 to 3 years on average by their own account.

Vaping isn't only an American thing, it's a global thing. Why are there only cases In the USA area?
Vaping has been mainstream since 2007 in the UK and here in the UK the British medical association implemented the yellow card scheme.
Meaning if any doctor be it in a local surgery or hospital came across any condition that could be related to vaping had to be reported.. Hues how many reports there have been in over a decade? None.

Our government, our health institutions, the NHS, the Royal college of physicians, Oxford University, Cancer research UK and the British heart association all support smokers taking up vaping, even with all this that's happening in the USA they stand by it.

That's because they actually do studies and don't receive money from tobacco lobbies.
Take the money out of the equation and look at the relevant facts and yes it does become pretty obvious what's going on.

These conditions are being caused by oil going solid in the lungs. PG and VG are not oils, and can’t cause any of the medical issues — like lipoid pneumonia — that inhaling actual oils can. Infact nebulisers and inhalers used in medical practices use pg as a carrier for the medication.

Now these fake T.h.c cartridges contain? That's right, OIL! First off is the thc oil is actually an oil. Then if that's not suspect enough then these fake cartridges are cut with other oils.. MORE OIL!
Now guess which liquid vapor is solidifying to a "bacon grease" substance in the lungs?

Now do you have anything decent to add to this conversation other than the fact you don't like vaping?

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Vaping isn't only an American thing, it's a global thing. Why are there only cases In the USA area?

Because they used carts cut with vitamin e, which is a lipid (fat). The phenomena started here in the US, and those mfgs have quit offering the product.

As far as 'oil' goes, cannabis 'oil' is not what you think it is. You can vape cannabis extract all day and not have lung issues at all. (as long as your starting cannabis is clean, and your extraction is done properly. Sadly this does not happen as often as it should)

You want to vape cannabis? Use a vape designed for straight extracts, or get a dab rig.

 

[Capt.Ahab]

Massachusetts is a nanny state run by corrupt hacks.
I mounted a large vape on my neutered Massachusetts approved AR15.
It's this state's worst nightmare.
If I run out of ammo I can spray the bad guys with deadly banana/coconut flavored vape juice.

 

[NoSativaction]

Charlie the-not-so-fabulous-baker-boy has been screwing up bad all year. Total lack of state oversight of the rec dispensary approval process, resulting in bribes, kickbacks, and now a federal indictment (mayor of Fall River). Completely overreacting to federal CBD policy guidance, screwing farmers, small business, and consumers. And now this.

So hemp farmers are going to sue because they can't sell crops. Small rec growers are going to sue because corruption costs keep them out of the legal cannabis game. Smoke shops are going to sue because you took away more than half their revenue by banning vaping.

You cab buy 30% THC bud legally now but not CBD edibles or vape juice. Makes my head hurt.

 

[AgentPothead]

480,000 people die every year to smoking cigarettes. 6 people died to vaping and this is the response. I'm not saying it's a completely out of touch with the reality we are in, but yeah, follow the money.

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

The whole vape thing is to destroy small businesses. It's very easy to see. I know the government really cares about our health (lol), but they always care about money more. More money comes in from lobbyists than the tax money collected from all the small vaping businesses.

Major tobacco has bought a large portion of JUUL; therefore be prepared for them to be the only game in town. I saw trump talking about melania being scared about their son getting on vapes.... yet he goes to a private school and everything else (plus, no one voted for her so fuck her).



The information i am still waiting to receive is how nicotine is bad for you? I understand it is addicitive, but what properties of the chemical are actually bad for you? with smoking you have combustion along with the other chemicals that are in there...


What about people who vape with 0% nicotine and flavors? is that bad?



This whole system sucks

 

[Americangrower]

Because they used carts cut with vitamin e, which is a lipid (fat). The phenomena started here in the US, and those mfgs have quit offering the product.

As far as 'oil' goes, cannabis 'oil' is not what you think it is. You can vape cannabis extract all day and not have lung issues at all. (as long as your starting cannabis is clean, and your extraction is done properly. Sadly this does not happen as often as it should)

You want to vape cannabis? Use a vape designed for straight extracts, or get a dab rig.

Yeah I agree that THC oil most likely isn't the cause. But I think the oil that can be in question is Mineral oil. Going by the thread here, some terps used are high in it.

States have been pushed hard by Big T to looking as hard as possible to find a way to ban eliquid.
I have been vaping eliquid since 09 and Big T has been working on this for at least 3 years. They bought controlling shares in Blu and Juul. Then started their ban eliquid except for pod systems, thus corning both vaper's and smoker's.

 

[GGNo2]

Yeah sorry I got carried away with my rant, no clean cannabis oil is not the problem.
I just get annoyed with all this shite.
The other day I was having a long drawn out discussion with someone here in the UK on an online article I see.

The news papers are starting to regurgitate the negativity about nicotine vaping over here now.

So many people think they know vaping nicotine is bad because the American media is saying so now. Every article about this lung problem that happening has paragraphs after paragraphs leading the dumb reader to believe that it's nicotine vaping that's causing the problems and only maybe one sentence making a small mention of the fake thc cartridges. It's blatantly leading the public to come to the conclusion that vaping is bad without evidence.

 

[prune]

How is it that the most stupidest people come up with the most elaborate conspiracy theories?

 

[Drewsif]

Did someone say conspiracy theories

Did someone say conspiracy theories

As far as 'oil' goes, cannabis 'oil' is not what you think it is. You can vape cannabis extract all day and not have lung issues at all. (as long as your starting cannabis is clean, and your extraction is done properly. Sadly this does not happen as often as it should)

You want to vape cannabis? Use a vape designed for straight extracts, or get a dab rig.

Who needs distillate in an ecig? 14 year old kids with no father? Pseudo recovered druggies who can't wait til after boxing me Amazons to take a toke in the shitter?

Legalization has or will bite everyone in the ass who ever preached beneficial Cannabis. Maybe those ecigaweed users think they benefit from the tobaccoification of weed, but they sure didn't ask for the shit. Marlborough. Bayer-Monsanto. The gott dang illuminati! That's who brought ecigs to weed. Not some idiots making bathtub distillate. Those ex crack dealer opportunists in the news stories just latched on to the marketing power of other opportunists. They probably got the wax from undercovers, just as all the groomed domestic terrorists got their supplies.

You dont know what your kids are talking about on snap chat. Phillip Morris does. They pay huge for social media data. Your.kids wanna smoke ecigaweed and they don't give a damn if it cripples them cuz at least they'll get sympathy and go down in history as that cool kid killed by doing cool versions of drugs right under their parents noses. Phillip Morris is on board with emo-zoomers suicidal wishes. Candy cigarettes were gross too from what I remember. Kids loved em.. As long as everyone remembers it was the black market carts that are bad Marlborough wants that shit in the kids hands. These crippled up kids won't have to work part time at the family-owned McDonald's if they are in an iron lung, sweet deal for them!

The mega corporations aren't behind in trends, like a bunch of e-growers seem to think. They are BEHIND them.. Pioneering American mersh culture. John Deere and Caddilac, Craftsman and Marlboro Man. Horrid commercial products that didn't used to suck = American culture. "Dabs" were a gateway to ecigaweed. 'Dank' and 'dab' then entered the American children's culture as harmless phrases of positive connotation. Thats the type of predictive programming propaganda which the modern day dispensary-shopping/hydro-growing type of stoner isn't getting high enough to see clearly.

When "candy hash" first started coming around, i asked myself, why? No one asked for that nasty blasty unpurged trim shit. People were tossing their trim because quality mattered. Then some business-minded homo started raiding the dumpsters. We instantly went into "flower isn't strong enough" as a country, over repurposed TRASH. From "my God this weed is too dank" to "80% is kinda low" overnight. Well actually it took two nights because you had to let people bitch about the 100/g price tag for a period, and the distillate propaganda to set in then, by God, anything cheaper and clearer just made more sense.. Bullshit. Someone NEEDED to push America towards the shit trim pens and hot metal atomizers. Someone put those Barbie doll packages and exaggerated candy/dessert themed titles on garbage no-Brix flood table poop. And then on its trim. Supply came before demand. Thats called an agenda.

No, the biggest corporate empires on earth are not slow, or missing out on any opportunity, like some e-growers like to believe. E-growers aside, not all Cannabis is created equal. Naturally cultivated Cannabis is long gone in legal states, growforum-active states and medical states, regionally extinct through short sighted commercial-focused brotard breeding, and a healthy dose of Drug Enforcement Aids for anyone growing the time-tested naughty smelling stuff without drug club permission. The fatty acid profile of Cali Poly Pocket Rocket Cookies grown with Piriformospora for example, is not quantified. The constituents are not even considered past thc and cbd,limonene and myrcene: pop culture isolates spotlighted by whom? Are all chemotypes now the same? Strains confirmed a myth? Are all lipids the same also? Terpenes are lipids too, fats?

Olivtolic acid is a lipid. Malonic acid. Butyric acid. How do you stop synthesis of isoprenoid precursors at harvest if lipids are so bad in end product as people are being led to believe? Ban raw flower and mandate isolation of pop culture actives (thc, cbd)? Is that the trap the uneducated pot smoker/grower will fall into? While "the man" patents medications behind the scenes, lame fake lab versions of what was naturally available in natural Cannabis? Ketoacids from long chain fatty acid strains for example? The brain does not have enzymes to sustain itself under ketosis. Youre be BRAINDEAD 2 hours after birth without ketones from lipids. Dont get me started on aldehydes! Or the Complexa trials! (curing, not treating but curing fibrosis with a natural fatty acid developed under "strong intellectual protection". We all know what that translates into. For fucks sake Kaiser developed headspace methods specifically for fatty acid derivatives of endangered plants. Now the Cannabis community is going to let America smoke absolute garbage because "they" got all the money to sway the idiot masses. How long before natural Cannabis is added to revised editions of Scent of the Vanishing Flora, or Vanishing Flora, Lost Chemistry?


The powers that be, corporations who poison people for profit, confuse the hell out of the uneducated goy through corporate news media propaganda science (confused into into utter religious submission) and actively eradicate useful substances from the public hands via legal influence, they love ignorance, and are in love with the fact that all one has to do is add a blurb in any mainstream media outlet for it to have always been true: Everything on earth that smells is related to fruit industry scraps, and everything that's a lipid is gonna give me a heart attack and probably make me fat, i guess. And salt is bad for you, or is it good for you? What day of the week is it?

"Some Saudi Arabians and Pakistanis attacked 9-11 so let's attack Iraq and Afghanistan, that'll show them middle easterners." < Thats the kind of ignorance they rely on to pull off shit like: opium bad, fentanyl good. Or: kerosene makes molten lava out of skyscrapers. Chicken good chicken bad, wine good wine bad, the tests have been graded, the results are in: The accepted, typically fraudulent version of reality is dictated by majority opinion of people who listen to jewmedia, regardless of..ANYTHING. Potheads used to know "the man" and his ways. What happened? Who are this new breed of government loving midnight tokers? Potheads who see legalization as some magical awakening of the shit-eating baby-raping brown person bombing government, and not as the eventual plan for corporations who lobbied for its criminal status in the first place a century ago? Youre brainwashed. Maybe it's something the government is putting in no-raid dispensary weed. Maybe it's something in the toilet spray you guys use to make the whole house smell like toilet spray. Maybe it's a result of tongue punching buttholes between class? Nah, thats definitely microbe deficiency driving that trend. (Careful whose butthole you eat. Could end up like them. Back in my day mouth and vagina microbes were good enough!)



Back to the issue at foot.. Mersh cooking oil has tocopherol it. Why haven't frycooks been forced to wear respitory masks? Where are the deaths and news stories? Crisco pulled off the shelf? Maybe theres no current agenda to manipulate the cooking oil industry or its stocks? They already changed veg oil long ago, for the worse, first by hydrogenated Trans fat poison, then by selectively-bred inflammation-inducing semi-poison. Not all fatty acids are the same, some cause problems that others treat or cure. By the way, commercial soybean was changed into something detrimental ONLY because there are more [unevolved] people in today's world who are repulsed by "rancid" flavors, no matter their source, than their are [evolved] people who enjoy them. And by rancid we mean skunky, funky, etc. There are no other options for why soy was genetically modified: either for detrimental public health, for storage/production purpose, or to get it in more products used by [unevolved] people who hate "off flavors" (which are also natural to Cannabis.)

We'll keep the answer a private theory, but it only takes 5 to conspire,so there was definitely a conspiracy there to change commercial soy products for the worse. No one sent out a questionnaire asking if you prefer skunky notes in your cooking oil or not. (I do) Or tocopherol (I don't). Soy oil conspiracy confirmed. I'm sure Cannabis is safe from capitalists though. I mean, what's a pound of weed worth compared to a pound of soy beans?

Anti black market propaganda is anti quality propaganda, simple as that. Cookies replaced good weed, because good weed isn't profitable as something you can infuse with sugar water and still sell to [dumb shit unevolved placebo affected] soccer moms through a bus ad.. The bar must be lowered for corporate production parameters (5 years of crops distilled and infused with a synthetic "flavor blend" in an ecig) and the bar must be lowered for soccer-momability (5 years of crops distilled and infused with orange bitters and fruity pebbles dust in an ecig) .

Standard procedure for capitalism. Ruin the publics perception of quality, damn the natural product and replace it with a detrimental imitation. Damn all moral competition by any means. The definition of Satanism. If you look into it, the Bible is just as much about natural weed vs ecig bullshit as it is about anything. But you gotta read a version prior to 1599 cuz the Vatican changed it. I suggest the Geneva 1560, Bible of the pilgrims who fled corporate Europe, where the bread loafs were 50% plaster and no one could afford a bread makers license.

If your state doesn't allow raw milk, or allow you to sell food to your friends on Facebook, they won't allow you to grow your own Cannabis either. Wait 5 years. And enjoy your pasteurized legal weed and tax evasion charges if you dont like it.


The good thing about theories is it involves thinking. It doesn't hurt so bad after a while.

BRB,ttyl, gtg sell 80 bucks worth of btc at 25% over spot. I hope they aren't someone my grandkids age buying fentanyl laced ecigaweed from DEA agents on the darkweb.

 

[GGNo2]

How is it that the most stupidest people come up with the most elaborate conspiracy theories?

For me the stupid people are the ones who don't question things and are happy to live ignorant believing what they're told by the media or government...
Oh and people who use words like "most stupidest", it's "most stupid" or "stupidest".