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Marijuana Tax Up In Smoke? Don't Worry, Feds Plot 50% Tax

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Marijuana activists look to Colorado as a true leader, with legalized recreational use and tiered tax models. Coloradans and activists nationwide thought legalizing marijuana would mean huge tax revenues. Nationwide, there is a near intoxication promising money, jobs, appreciating real estate, and tax revenues that could achieve so much for so many.
Naysayers worry about public health risks, especially for young people. Yet even some naysayers find copious tax revenues alluring. In Colorado, the governor’s office estimated it would collect $100 million in taxes from the first year of recreational marijuana. The state’s economists were more conservative, estimating $67 million. They recently revised it downward to call for taxes of $58.7 million from recreational marijuana.
Now, Colorado’s first year tax haul for 2014 recreational marijuana is a disappointing $44 million, causing some to say that Colorado’s marijuana money is going up in smoke. Yet perhaps that is premature. Colorado was first to regulate marijuana production and sale, so other governments are watching closely. Although disappointing, the $44 million is nothing to sneeze at. Colorado also collected sales tax on medical marijuana and various fees, for a total of about $76 million.
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Residents of the state could get some of it back due to a quirk of Colorado law. It requires new voter-approved taxes, including these marijuana taxes, to be refunded if state tax collections rise faster than permitted. However, legislators may ask state voters to let the government keep and use the taxes, which the state arguably needs.
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Colorado is still getting its bearings. The taxes are significant, but not all the sales are going through legal channels. Perhaps it was silly to think they would. Avenues for cheaper prices in the illegal and medical markets can trump legal recreational sales where tax revenues are highest. That makes perfect sense, and is calling for a re-examination of tax rates and enforcement.
In Colorado, legalization has surprised both supporters and critics, with a mixture of good and bad. Approximately 16,000 people are licensed to work in Colorado’s marijuana industry. A Marijuana Group study claims that tourists account for almost 90% of recreational sales in some mountain communities, and 50% in Denver and environs.
Washington state became the second to legalize recreational marijuana. Oregon and Alaska have followed. With four recreational victories, activists are pushing legalization in other states, including California where a ballot measure is expected in 2016. The tax tally is likely to keep growing, if not always as predicted.
In Colorado, there is a 2.9% sales tax and a 10% marijuana sales tax. Plus, there is a 15% excise tax on the average market rate of retail marijuana. It adds up to 27.9%. But with all those taxes, many smokers buy illegally. An estimated 40% of purchases in Colorado are not through legal channels. There is also a growing relationship between the 2.9% medical marijuana tax and the 27% recreational variety.
Some patients may be reselling 2.9% medical stock. A medical marijuana card costs $15. About 23% of estimated marijuana users in Colorado have medical cards. Meanwhile, the Colorado tax on marijuana has been upheld despite claims that paying it amounts to self-incrimination that violates the Fifth Amendment.
Since marijuana remains illegal under federal law, the argument is that filling out state tax forms admitting buying or selling implicates you in federal crimes. It’s a clever argument, but the plaintiffs have lost so far. Yet the lawsuit challenging the taxes continues. Of course, taxes aren’t clear on the federal side either. Federal law trumps state law, and Section 280E of the tax code denies even legal medical marijuana dispensaries tax deductions.
Some dispensaries go through elaborate gyrations to try to pay income taxes only on their real revenues net of expenses. But there is only so far one can go. Some marijuana sellers operate as nonprofit social welfare organizations or as cooperatives or collectives. And yet taxes could become major under federal law.
The proposed Marijuana Tax Equity Act would end the federal prohibition on marijuana and allow it to be taxed–at a whopping 50%. The bill would impose a 50% excise tax on cannabis sales, plus an annual occupational tax on workers in the field of legal marijuana. Hopefully, anticipated tax revenues will be based on hard data and realistic projections.


Still, the times, they are a changin’.
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armedoldhippy

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only a moron would think that raising the prices above black market rates with taxes would end the black market. duh! you want to end the black market, you have to undersell them AND have better weed, period.
 

delta9nxs

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grow 2 lb plants that only end up weighing 6 oz's "on paper". exorbitant tax rates guarantee a thriving black market. my plants are going to dry down to almost nothing.
 

Jhhnn

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only a moron would think that raising the prices above black market rates with taxes would end the black market. duh! you want to end the black market, you have to undersell them AND have better weed, period.

I think retail weed has to be competitively priced if it's not just for tourists. OTOH, I think that a lot of people are willing to pay for selection, service, safety & convenience of Retail. Some people are rightfully wary of the supposed anonymity protections of MMJ along with the hassle of renewals & their expense. You need to be a pretty regular user to justify the maintenance costs associated with lower unit price.

CO authorities are kinda thrashing around trying to find the sweet spot. From my POV, the right answer isn't what they think it is. They're trying to hold up revenues using a high price model against both MMJ & the black market where prices are lower. That's the wrong approach. If they want to collect retail taxes on a larger % of total sales, they need to license more growers to push the bottom line taxed price of retail lower than current MMJ prices. More greenhouses, even outdoor production. They need to use a market share model to maximize revenue. They don't have to beat up on mmj dispensaries, caregivers or blackmarket guys with anything other than price. Dialed in, I suspect that large retail growers will generate sufficient revenues to stay in the game at much lower prices if there's more competition.

From a consumer POV, why put up with the hassles of MMJ if quality retail weed is the same price or cheaper?

It's important for everybody to remember that tax revenues are a secondary consideration. What's most important is the normalization of cannabis use & OTC access for adults who want it.

If the State wants more revenue, they have to provide consumers with more reason to give it to them. They won't accomplish that with any sort of enforcement, their options having been gelded by A64.
 

Ganoderma

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They better be careful, the saying no taxation without representation is becoming harder to look away from. The IRS is penalizing mmj shops for not paying taxes via a bank transfer, instead of the cash they have been paying with.

Then there was the Boston tea party

They are just going to re-enforce the "black market"
 

stoned-trout

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the only reason mj is becoming accepted is because of the money......well they wont be getting any of mine...fuckoff..booze built America I think weed /hemp can save it..and just like booze there will always be shiners/bootleggers.....yeeefuckingha
 
I think until cannabis is federally legal in the USA. The black market will continue to thrive. Hell when I go pick up a pizza the guy gives me a cash price usually 10%-15% to get around sales tax up here in the true north. Until there are giant corporations growing pot on massive scale to force the price down to rock bottom prices. When the black markets product no longer competes with the over the counter stuff. People are cheap. always looking for a good deal. That's why wal-mart does so well.
 

skwirl

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I say 'legalizing it' is just a way for the government (and huge grow ops) to TAKE OVER..Make us all get expensive licenses. Like alcohol...

And as far as that tax revenue ever helping the common man I say BS. Just look at the CA state lottery. They said that $$ would go to the school systems. NOT!!! Teachers still losing jobs...schools constantly shut down.

You give politicians and corporations that kind of revenue and they always find a way to not share. Long live medical!!!! It keeps the real crooks (read government, corporations and cartels) out of our market place...

Long live the small farmer!!

One thing will always be true. Large ops tend to grow sh*tty weed. Good weed will always cost bucu'. Just like good wine.
 
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