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Male flowering - best practices
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Once again. Depends on your goal.
C
Capra ibex
What he said.
And to really be able to tell what a certain male will actually pass on and if you want to keep it, it will take a lot of time OR a lot of plants.
Breadwizard
Active member
Entirely depends on your goal for the cross/selection.
I tend to use the male line to reinforce growth habit traits: vigor, branchyness, innernode length, how quickly it goes to alternating nodes, etc.
Flowering traits I shoot for are how numerous the clusters of male flower appear, standing tricombs, etc.
I also stress test to make sure they don't have hermi traits hiding.
I tend to use the male line to reinforce growth habit traits: vigor, branchyness, innernode length, how quickly it goes to alternating nodes, etc.
Flowering traits I shoot for are how numerous the clusters of male flower appear, standing tricombs, etc.
I also stress test to make sure they don't have hermi traits hiding.
[FONT="]When selecting males what kinds of things are sought as desirable?
1. Early or late flowering?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Depends on what you're growing and what you want to achieve. You should get to know the line you're working with first so you can pick the best chemo-/phenotypes. And cause males are just like their female counter parts, you should smoke some females first to know what you're looking for in the males. = Fast/long flowering time isn't a good trait if the smoke is bad.[/FONT][FONT="]
2. Presence of trichomes on petals of pollen sacs?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Buy a 30x magnifying loop (10x jeweler's loop will do also) to look at the amount and size of resin glands on the stems and leaves. If the resin is shitty to begin with, it might not get better afterwards either.[/FONT][FONT="]
3. Thickness of stems and branches?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Sure, some plants have weak/floppy stems, some have stronger ones[/FONT]
[FONT="]One thing to check on is how easily the stems break, so how much fiber there is on the plant.[/FONT][FONT="]
4. Leaf size?[/FONT]
[FONT="]You're smoking the flowers, so does leaf size matter?[/FONT][FONT="]
5. Other?[/FONT]
[FONT="]- Growth/vigor. Internode spacing; How much they stretch during bloom; do they stay too short or do they stretch too much? [/FONT]
[FONT="]- Some plants like to branch out, some don't. What are you looking for?[/FONT]
[FONT="]- Calyx-to-leaf-ratio and yield. Some females are leafier than others and it's the same with males also; some plants grow alot of flowers some grow less.[/FONT]
[FONT="]- You can check the aromas (strength, terp profile) of the plants by rubbing and smelling their leaves and branches.[/FONT]
[FONT="]- Look for hermie traits. Some males will grow female pistils during bloom as some females will grow male flowers (hermaphrodites) [/FONT]
[FONT="]- You can smoke male flowers/leaves to get an idea of what he will bring into the project. Males do not have as much resin on them as females so they won't be so strong as female smoke, but you can still get an idea of the type of effect the male has.[/FONT][FONT="]
Why or why not[/FONT]
[FONT="]Grow some females from the line first then you can answer yourself why or why not. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Breeding can be difficult if you don't have any idea/knowledge about the line. It's difficult to form a "vision" on what you're trying to achieve if you haven't grown/smoked a single plant from the line.[/FONT]
1. Early or late flowering?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Depends on what you're growing and what you want to achieve. You should get to know the line you're working with first so you can pick the best chemo-/phenotypes. And cause males are just like their female counter parts, you should smoke some females first to know what you're looking for in the males. = Fast/long flowering time isn't a good trait if the smoke is bad.[/FONT][FONT="]
2. Presence of trichomes on petals of pollen sacs?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Buy a 30x magnifying loop (10x jeweler's loop will do also) to look at the amount and size of resin glands on the stems and leaves. If the resin is shitty to begin with, it might not get better afterwards either.[/FONT][FONT="]
3. Thickness of stems and branches?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Sure, some plants have weak/floppy stems, some have stronger ones[/FONT]
[FONT="]One thing to check on is how easily the stems break, so how much fiber there is on the plant.[/FONT][FONT="]
4. Leaf size?[/FONT]
[FONT="]You're smoking the flowers, so does leaf size matter?[/FONT][FONT="]
5. Other?[/FONT]
[FONT="]- Growth/vigor. Internode spacing; How much they stretch during bloom; do they stay too short or do they stretch too much? [/FONT]
[FONT="]- Some plants like to branch out, some don't. What are you looking for?[/FONT]
[FONT="]- Calyx-to-leaf-ratio and yield. Some females are leafier than others and it's the same with males also; some plants grow alot of flowers some grow less.[/FONT]
[FONT="]- You can check the aromas (strength, terp profile) of the plants by rubbing and smelling their leaves and branches.[/FONT]
[FONT="]- Look for hermie traits. Some males will grow female pistils during bloom as some females will grow male flowers (hermaphrodites) [/FONT]
[FONT="]- You can smoke male flowers/leaves to get an idea of what he will bring into the project. Males do not have as much resin on them as females so they won't be so strong as female smoke, but you can still get an idea of the type of effect the male has.[/FONT][FONT="]
Why or why not[/FONT]
[FONT="]Grow some females from the line first then you can answer yourself why or why not. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Breeding can be difficult if you don't have any idea/knowledge about the line. It's difficult to form a "vision" on what you're trying to achieve if you haven't grown/smoked a single plant from the line.[/FONT]
africaseeds
Member
I'm not a breeder, but a textbook pollen chucker at this point.
But my answer are:
>>1. Early or late flowering?
The later the better. I've seen males start flowering outdoors under massive stress. This is not good in my opinion. It shows the plant can't handle stress, but I could be wrong.
>>2. Presence of trichomes on petals of pollen sacs?
This one is often debated I don't know I guess if you had to choose from either then I'd keep both and use both and see what the outcome was if they were similiar in other aspecs.
>>3. Thickness of stems and branches?
This is important but because you want that in the female parent too and choosing similiar parents in many aspects is good from what I've read.
>>4. Leaf size?
I don't think it matters, depends on your goal.
>>5. Other?
Look at growth outside literally from the seedling size. If it can handle the elements outside from the moment it popped then that is a good indication that it will be a resiliant plant overall. If it does well outside then it will do good indoors and in the greenhouse too.
Just my two cents.
But my answer are:
>>1. Early or late flowering?
The later the better. I've seen males start flowering outdoors under massive stress. This is not good in my opinion. It shows the plant can't handle stress, but I could be wrong.
>>2. Presence of trichomes on petals of pollen sacs?
This one is often debated I don't know I guess if you had to choose from either then I'd keep both and use both and see what the outcome was if they were similiar in other aspecs.
>>3. Thickness of stems and branches?
This is important but because you want that in the female parent too and choosing similiar parents in many aspects is good from what I've read.
>>4. Leaf size?
I don't think it matters, depends on your goal.
>>5. Other?
Look at growth outside literally from the seedling size. If it can handle the elements outside from the moment it popped then that is a good indication that it will be a resiliant plant overall. If it does well outside then it will do good indoors and in the greenhouse too.
Just my two cents.
