magical demonic caterpillars

[rdy]

Hey guys, these little fuckers started appearing out of nowhere, they munch on the bud hairs and shit pellets everywhere and move on. At first I thought they were maybe brought in by something/someone and they slowly spread, noticed them first one 1-2 plants that were touching each other.

But this morning was the final straw. I spotted some egg/shit looking things [see pic] as well as a little tiny brown pillar on my prized purps, definitely crossed the line. I read online before to just remove them by hand, but yesterdsay I saw a little tiny fly/gnat on one of the leaves too, is it possible that it lays eggs? What the hell are these things anyways? Inchworms? Thrips?

How do I eradicate them? I'm about 25 days into flower or so, things are frosting up but thats irrelevant if the damn nugs are going to be eaten anyways.

Sorry for the blurry pic, I was shaking with fury while shooting.

Peace

rdy

 

[badboyg]

OH DAM/// sorry to hear that// any photos of the BUGS?? sounds like you have multipl issues I hope not......

 

[badboyg]

SHIT<<< now I refresh and photos.. hmm is that it none on the plants and no flys?? may be nats... you may want to try BT,,, its a natural emzime(sp) that eats them...

 

[sproutco]

Sounds like you need BT

Sounds like you need BT

What is BT?
In 1915, B. thuringiensis was discovered from diseased flour moth caterpillars, but few experiments or attempts to use this bacterium occurred until the 1950s. By 1961, the first BT product was registered for control of caterpillar pests, mainly in agricultural crops. Since that first registration, dramatic discoveries have occurred in identifying BT strains. Now we have BT products that affect caterpillars, leaf beetles, and mosquito larvae.

How Does BT Work?
The actual mode of action of BT is simple. The bacterium produces a crystal protein toxin that kills the cells lining the insect gut. When ingested, the bacterial cell wall is digested which releases this toxin. Since insects have guts that are only one cell layer thick, this toxin literally "eats" a hole in the gut, causing an infection in the body cavity.

The interesting thing about BT, is that only certain insects digest and are affected by the protein toxins. In most insects, as well as people, birds, fish, and other animals, the BT proteins have virtually no measurable effect.

Insecticides made from BT and its toxins are usually called microbial or biological insecticides.

With the development of fermentation technology, the BT bacterium can be grown in artificial media and gallons can be produced economically.

Do BT Sprays Harm People, Pets, Livestock, Honey Bees or the Environment?
As stated above, neither BT bacteria nor the protein toxins have any effect on people, pets (unless you are raising caterpillars as pets!), livestock, or honey bees. In fact, there is a BT product that is specifically registered to control the honey bee infesting caterpillar, the wax moth.

Unfortunately, there is considerable misunderstanding about the effects of BT sprays. Indeed, BT sprays will kill most of the young caterpillars that may ingest it as they feed on treated plant leaves. Both damaging caterpillars, such as the gypsy moth as well as harmless butterflies and moths, can be killed. However, by avoiding sensitive areas that may serve as habitat for desirable or endangered butterflies and moths, unwanted effects can be avoided.

In general, BT and its toxins are destroyed within three to five days by sunlight and other microbes. Caterpillars killed by BT stop feeding, drop to the ground, and decay harmlessly. The BT applied in a spray does not multiply or accumulate in the environment.

When is BT Most Effective?
Because of the way that caterpillars grow, only the young caterpillars have gut linings thin enough for the BT toxin to punch holes in it. For gypsy moth, once the larvae have gotten larger than 5/8-inch long, they are rather difficult to kill with BT. Therefore, the best time to apply BT is after all the eggs have hatched and while the caterpillars are no larger than third instars. The third instar is the caterpillar stage that has molted two times after hatching. Third instar larvae are usually 1/2- to 5/8-inch long and still have black heads.

Can I use BT?
Yes! BT products for caterpillar control are available from your local garden center. However, you will have to read the labels carefully because the BT package looks just like regular insecticides. Common over-the-counter products are: Dipel , Thuricide , and Caterpillar Attack .

Be sure to read the label for the active ingredients. "Bacillus thuringiensis, var. kurstaki" should be on the label. If the variety is "israelensis," "San Diego," or "tenebrionis," then you have a BT that is active against fly larvae or beetle larvae, not moth larvae.

http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2174.html

 

[weed_snob]

get a hot shots no peststrip, its not organic and i imagine its not something you want your buds to taste like, but after three days the bugs will be dead and you can take it down. With a month left on the bloom their should be time enough so that the buds wont a have any residual taste from it. Ive never tried BT, could be a better option.

 

[Legit_User]

Those are from moths laying eggs.
They will dig into the bud and start eating it from the inside out.
Safer's caterpillar killer will be the best thing. Neem doesn't work well at all with them. Go through and hand pick what you can. If you see a dead leaf,peel back the bud and you will see their burrow holes and excretement. The Caterpillar killer gives them the plaugue and is safe to use anytime.
My caterpillars built an immunitty to the safers and I found another product that works just as good or better called Monterey Garden Insect Spray. Active ingredient is Spinosad, completely organic and OMRI listed.
Stay peacefull

 

[badboyg]

you know this may be as bad as mites,,,,,,, yuck,,,,

 

[NorCalGrower]

Caterpillars

Caterpillars

You nee to go and get some BT. Ypu can spray it on flowering plants. When caterpillars eat the plant w/ BT on it, the BT spores mess up the caterpillars digestive system,and they will stop eating your plants. There is no chemical smell or taste from the BT.

NorCalGrower

 

[inflorescence]

As stated, BT. I think you'd be really hard pressed to find any treatment in horticulture as specific as BT. I just wish all other pests could be controlled in such a specific manner.

 

[Guest]

BT or Bullseye did not phase these midwest bud worms.

BT or Bullseye did not phase these midwest bud worms. Legit User called it... the only way to get rid of them is to pinch them out. A friend lost about 20% of his outdoor harvest because of those lil bastards.

 

[mikey-GS-]

strange im also dealing with these catipillars thingies.
i haves no clue were they came from but they suck ass, they somehow got to my outdoor,these things R crazy i harvested not long ago and was finding a small amount not a seroius amount, anyhow i decided to put these guys in a jar.
i collected bout 4 of them.hours later 2 were misssing and the other two were killing each other?they bit each other till 1 couldnt hang and just ate his ass!

so ya i hate these things, after next harvest ima clean out the outdoor and convert it 2 a greenhouse mini.......

 

[DJ_highst_]

Can BT really be spayed on flowering plants? What is the lasted it is recommend to do that?

 

[Guest]

I have some ferti lome caterpillar killer with Spinosad as its active ingrediant. I just sprayed it on so I don't know if it works yet. I have been battling this bug 4 years and this year ITS WAR. I am going to use Dipel Dust made out of BT along with the ferti lome. I hope that does it.

 

[20kw dreams]

I've been wondering about these little fuckers. I'm doin my first outdoor this year, and I know it is basically the only serious pest in the area other then spider mites and random bugs that eat only small holes out of a few leaves.

 

[JeffSpicoli]

yea catepillars have always been my biggest problem with growin OD

what is this BT you guys speak of? sorry for my ignorance.

Ive only found a couple so far, but im sure there will be more...

I hate those fuckers! witha passion

 

[inflorescence]

BT = Bacillus thuringiensis

location: Ridgemont nice , but how about Ridgemont HIGH lol

 

[Habibi]

theyre a bitch, the best way to get rid of them is the source. control the moths, if your backyard growing put up a bug zapper and add a pheromone lure (5bucks).

i just had a bunch on one of my plants that budded early, i got rid of the problem pretty much with trichogramma wasps, and a bug zapper. i hate spraying my plants i always seem to burn the foliage when i spray so i never do that.

Another great suggestion is putting mosquito netting around your plant so that no moths can get in and lay those caterpillar eggs on there

 

[20kw dreams]

Where do you get that pheromone lure?

At what point/time of year are these fuckers out laying their eggs?

 

[danktown]

fuck...i really hope the moth i saw in my closet the other week didnt lay any eggs. sucks it happens, good luck to your grow man

 

[guest123]

i get a headache from those guys every year ,, we use stuff called dipel , works great , with large infestations as can happen with bigger grows , we used double strength dipel ,, it says its organic ... but who can really tell ,, good thing is it works really well ..
those buggers chewing around your buds can lead to mould easily ....