MAC (PCG Cut)

[Crazy Chester]

Hi Everyone. I thought I'd post a new thread about a clone I thought was MAC1, but that I now think was a mislabel and is actually MAC - which is a different clone than MAC1.

I got my MAC in early May of 2020 from Harborside in San Jose. It was labeled as being a Purple City Genetics (PCG) clone on Harborside's website. The name the clone was labeled on the website when I ordered it was "MAC1". Finally, there was a label pushed into the rockwool cube it was rooted in that stated "MAC1":

She looked like this in veg:

And like this in flower:

Bottom line, I don't believe it is MAC1 - due to one characteristic that is absent from her late in flowering - purpling:

The above pic is from one of star crash's many awesome grows of MAC1.

Aside from the obvious purpling traits, MAC shares substantially the same slow veg growth, terps, strength, trichome coverage, type of high, flowering period, pest resistance, yield, etc., of MAC1.

Based on my internet research, I've come to believe what I have is a different clone - MAC - as opposed to MAC1.

The consensus on the internet seems to be that the composition of each are:

MAC = Alien Cookies x Miracle 15

MAC1 = Alien Cookies F2 x Miracle 15

While they share a common father, the mothers are more different than their labels would suggest, and the available information out there leads me to believe that "Alien Cookies F2" (the mother of MAC1) is actually not an F2 of Alien Cookies (the mother of MAC).

The mother of MAC, "Alien Cookies", has been further described by Jaws Genetics on "z-labs" forum as "Alien Cookies F1 #7".

Meanwhile, the "Alien Cookies F2" is more mysterious, but by cobbling together posts by Jaws on "z-labs", I've come to the conclusion that it is really an S1 produced by selfing one of the Alien Cookies F1s and that Jaws was mistakenly calling it an F2.

I say that because it's evident from those z-lab forum posts that he was upset when one of his Alien Cookies "F2"s turned out to be a male. It seems to me he was expecting all females, as one would expect from selfed seeds.

The foregoing leads me to believe the mother of MAC1 is not a true F2 - it is an S1.

But, that S1 crossed to Miracle 15 added purpling traits into the mix that were not there before, at least not in the Alien Cookies F1 #7 that was used to make MAC.

Given what is known (but hard to find) about MAC and MAC1, I offer this revised description that I think more properly describes the composition of each:

MAC = Alien Cookies F1 #7 x Miracle 15

MAC1 = Alien Cookies S1 x Miracle 15

It would be great if anyone with additional information about the origins of MAC and MAC1 can chime in here to clarify the mystery of these two cuts.

Feel free to post pics, stories and any other helpful info you may have!

 

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[budsicles]

Something similar happened to me. I got a "Mac1" cut that was almost identical to the pics posted here of mac1 except there was zero purple and it was a little less frosty (maybe that's my fault). Vegged super slow and stacked nodes really well. It had a unique smell that was hard to pinpoint. Almost like mildly sour milk mixed with sage. I've heard others compare the mac1 smell to cherries and yogurt. My cut ended up not tasting all that great, and the high was good but nothing to freak out over. So I trashed it. There's probably numerous Mac phenos floating around that are labelled Mac1 to ride the hype train.

 

[dramamine]

Something similar happened to me. I got a "Mac1" cut that was almost identical to the pics posted here of mac1 except there was zero purple and it was a little less frosty (maybe that's my fault). Vegged super slow and stacked nodes really well. It had a unique smell that was hard to pinpoint. Almost like mildly sour milk mixed with sage. I've heard others compare the mac1 smell to cherries and yogurt. My cut ended up not tasting all that great, and the high was good but nothing to freak out over. So I trashed it. There's probably numerous Mac phenos floating around that are labelled Mac1 to ride the hype train.

I think I got a stunt double too. Smells seem on point, but flavor is lacking and seems like less frost than I see in pics.

 

[Crazy Chester]

Purple City Genetics (Berkeley Patients Group and Harborside Oakland) have tags black on one side and white on the other from what I remember. I picked up a Capstone from them but don't remember seeing MAC1 from PCG at one of those two locations(' online menus).

I don't remember what the label on my Capstone looked like, but I know it wasn't like the "MAC1" label shown in the pic of my MAC clone in this thread.

But, I do know Harborside's online page at that time showed the same PCG logo for Capstone, MAC1 and Super Lemon Haze (which I also got).

What you say about its lineage sounds interesting.

Yes and I find the father of both MAC and MAC1 much more interesting than their respective mothers, since he's the one who added the Colombian Gold and Starfighter to the mix for both of them.

For what it's worth I have not heard of who created Santa Cruz haze...

For what it's worth - me neither!

Not to sound like a broken record, there may be a lot of chem cookies but it does not mean one person is responsible for/receives all the credit (for plants). It's like saying you invented peaches or strawberries or peanuts water is water mint is mint there is no proprietor or original owner. At least the way I see it in a snapshot present day real world frame of reference the people women guys growers distributors are all online.

I totally agree and right now it looks to me like at least two growers - Capulator and Jaws were involved in the creation of both MAC and MAC1. In the future, there may be more who are revealed to have been involved as well.

Above board legal with taxes paid and receipt is icing on the cake

OMG - thanks for the tip about a clue I haven't looked at to resolve this mystery - I bet I have the receipt somewhere from when I purchased all the PCG clones (Capstone, SLH & MAC). I will dig them out to see what details there are on them.

 

[Crazy Chester]

Something similar happened to me. I got a "Mac1" cut that was almost identical to the pics posted here of mac1 except there was zero purple and it was a little less frosty (maybe that's my fault). Vegged super slow and stacked nodes really well. It had a unique smell that was hard to pinpoint. Almost like mildly sour milk mixed with sage. I've heard others compare the mac1 smell to cherries and yogurt. My cut ended up not tasting all that great, and the high was good but nothing to freak out over. So I trashed it. There's probably numerous Mac phenos floating around that are labelled Mac1 to ride the hype train.

Sounds like the right terps, but maybe not optimal because of the grow. That could have been it. I'm impressed with the cut, but the sample I had was from a grow that went off perfectly without a hitch, so I know I got the cut's full potential.

 

[Crazy Chester]

I think I got a stunt double too. Smells seem on point, but flavor is lacking and seems like less frost than I see in pics.

Yup, like budsicles said, there are now a lot of related cuts flying around for sure. But, if you were satisfied you got a good grow of it and it still didn't have the thick trichome coverage - it doesn't sound the same as the one I got.

 

[budsicles]

maybe not optimal because of the grow. That could have been it.

Definitely possible, but unlikely I think. I keep my environment pretty dialed maintaining good VPD with 75-80f temps under leds. There's always room for improvement, but I don't think my grows are bad enough to explain the inferiority of the cut I tried. Especially since Mac1 doesn't seem to have a rep for being difficult to grow like Blueberry or ECSD.

See post 4550 here to see how my other stuff typically looks...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=9021415#post9021415

 

[Crazy Chester]

Definitely possible, but unlikely I think. I keep my environment pretty dialed maintaining good VPD with 75-80f temps under leds. There's always room for improvement, but I don't think my grows are bad enough to explain the inferiority of the cut I tried. Especially since Mac1 doesn't seem to have a rep for being difficult to grow like Blueberry or ECSD.

See post 4550 here to see how my other stuff typically looks...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=9021415#post9021415

I'm definitely not questioning your growing, budsicles - I was just going by your parenthetical that mused it might have been your fault. But, from the looks of your bud, it sounds like whatever you doubted about this one was very minor - just a healthy review of yourself.

Now I get it!

Yeah, it sounds like you had a good enough sample to judge its quality. The one I have has some similarities to the description of yours, but if you noticed less trichomes than the plant in my pic, it definitely was not the same cut as mine, especially if you grew yours indoors. Mine was outdoors.

 

[budsicles]

Yeah, mine was just a little less frosty than yours. Still good looking, but not like the legit mac1 pics. I figured the resin content could possibly be increased a little with changes to element ratios or something, but the flavor really seemed too poor to be the legit cut based on how healthy the plant looked. I've had some really unhealthy looking Granola Funk plants due to a bad bag of soil that sprouted tons of mushrooms...and the bud from it was 10x more enjoyable than the mac I tried.

Sucks I paid $200 for it lol. But that's just part of the game.