Lumii LED 720w fixture compatibility issue

[str82d]

Hi,
I was wondering does anybody know if the new Lumii LED 720w fixture could work with any other ballast than theirs?
The peculiar part is that warranty is void if you use any other ballast, and I'm trying to figure out what part is them wanting us to buy their ballasts, and what part is pure electrical dependency.

What i got is GSE 600w ballast - with the following characteristics:
230v, 2.9A, 50hz
And theirs is 220-240v,, 2.9A 50-60hz and so on.
I'm quite unfamiliar what might cause any incompatibility here, if anyone is willing to explain what might be the potential reasons to "blow up" the led with my ballast, I'd be happy to find detailed manufacturer specifications, any directions what info is needed would be greatly appreciated.
I got nothing against Lumii, it seems like a great fixture, but buying new ballast just for their fixture is counter productive to say the least.

 

[Ca++]

You are talking about LEDs but showing me HID


edit: If their driver needs changing, then what warranty is there to preserve? If it's broke, and under warranty, then send it back

 

[str82d]

Perhaps I should clarify a bit. This fixture uses HID driver. One could buy only the fixture without the driver, so there isn't anything broken. I got a different ballast, and I don't want to spend couple hundred euros for new drivers as I already have such. The main question here is how to figure out if it would be compatible with this fixture, as on first glance it should work out, but I need to confirm with someone who's familiar of the operation of such drivers, what might be the risks or incompatibilities etc .

 

[exploziv]

That shitty label is not enaugh to judge what you need. Isn't there one on the light? That might ask for what is needed to run it. If i had to guess, it has no driver, just a conversion from AC to DC, you might not even need a driver. Since that thing is made to run a bulb, the led they made to be powered by those should still use about same voltage. But they for sure didn't made it easy to find out, if that label is all u got..

 

[Ca++]

It's mighty strange. I had to look up the lumii black 600w to see that it's for HIDs. It's a typical 250/400/600/660 driver for HID, but does indeed drive the 720w LED.

I'm not sure you can use a different HID driver. It would be hit and miss. HID lamps have a wider operating window than LED. So two brands of HID ballast can be slightly different, but fine for the HID.

I'm a bit busy now (off to work) but I could look up the exact spec HID drivers must work to, and see how tight the spec is exactly. Though I'm pretty sure you will be stuck with the lumii ballast.

 

[str82d]

@exploziv - got no light to get what's on the label, but I'll try go take a pic in a shop, eventually it would reveal more. The driver runs 600+boost, and as much as I'm aware it needs to be ran on boost for 100% power of the led. Good part is that most drivers have boost, GSE in particular has even an adjustable one, like you could run it on 622w etc. What I'm starting to think is that they're voiding the warranty IF they know it was used with other driver etc.. and they're not just relying on simple empirical stuff like other driver = blowin up your LED, meaning it could run with other ballasts, but it would be an expensive experiment to conduct if this logic is faulty lol.
I can find the spec sheet for GSE, if the guy at the shop agrees for me to shoot the sheet of lumii driver, I'd post it here and we'll see where it would lead poor growers to...
Thanks Ca++

 

[exploziv]

Yeah spec sheets or input side information on the light label would be great. Without that you are just guessing. But I am pretty sure those are mandatory, so you should be able to find the info if you really dig for it.

 

[Ca++]

This is not particularly useful, but a magnetic ballast runs the lamp at mains frequency, 50-60hz.
I looked up an electronic, and it ran the same lamp at 28,000hz
I looked up a second. At 240v is ran 90,000hz and the 400v variant ran at 120,000hz
The HID is just a heating element almost. You can regulate the power by many means, because it's just not that picky.
The LED hood is going to be a bit more specific about what it wants. It will have a very definite maximum voltage, that no amount of switching on&off quickly will overcome.

Without know more about the lumii than they will tell us, I wouldn't risk it. Instead, start looking what the lumii is made of, to find a LED ballast to suit. Or buy theirs.

 

[Three Berries]

I've never heard of running HID ballast for LEDs. HIDs generate a plasma arc and have to maintain it. Pretty specific to load. But you never know.