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LST by spiraling the main stem around the pot?

darrinjefferson

darrinjefferson

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ezbake said:
He tells you to train the plant's main stem to spiral around the pot/container.

Anyone do LST this way ? Is it a good way to do it?
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to be honest the pictures are nice and all but its waaay different when your actually growing a plant. i try to get my plant to grow along the edge of the pot and it works somewhat...what actually getting it to make a complete circle..thats another story all together. i guess its a good idea but it would take quite a bit of work to get it to do a whole circle...imo.

but i guess it would be just as good as any way to do it. LST is LST...no matter how you train it....wether its in a circle or if you just pull the plant over. i believe that this method would be fairly difficult to do as it would require you training your plant a TON!!

i think that theres better methods to do it. but hey, give it a try....i mean the idea logistically would work. i always find tho that training your plant to gorw along the edge of the pot tho is harder than it would seem. hard to get it to grow like that.

but those pics are a good LST tutorial.

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acme420

yeah you can train the plant around in a circle. or make it do loop de loops. whatever you want. i dont think it takes any great effort. just tie the top down as it grows in whatever direction you want. my last plant which was a male i trained to grow around the edge of the pot cut height is an issue with me. and my last grow before that i had females. i also trained them to grow around the outer rim of the pot. lemme see if i can find a pic.

i had already harvested the main cola in this shot but the back part on the left of the picture is where the stem meets the soil, and it grows around clockwise to the right and back around to the left.
 
sprout

sprout

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I've got some mountain jam going now that i trained this way. I got these plants as clones that were quite tall and leggy so I decided to give LST a try. The circle-type form ocurred because of the length of the main stem and overall lack of space. Wish i could post a pic, but my camera is messed up. The method definitely works though, but like darrinjefferson said it was time consuming.
 
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ezbake

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what do plants grown in the LST spiral yield? just an estimate

like 1 oz per plant? 2?

in a proper grow room that's co2 enriched with organic nutes
 
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acme420

yeild is based on the grower and the plants genetics. lst should yield you whatever the plant would have yielded had you let it grow straight up. lst is just a method for height control.
 
Breezy420

Breezy420

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You can train the plant to go in any direction you wish, as long as its done with care so you dont snap her in two! If I'm trying to train one of my ladies its usualy to fill in space somewhere in the grow room or restrict height, but doing laps aorund the rim of the pot might be fun too.
 
darrinjefferson

darrinjefferson

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i get 2-3oz off my lst plants. i guess normal LST would be just pulling the top over and then pulling down the various side branches.

and i think i am wrong in saying its hard....maybe i should say its hard to get it to look like the pick...all nice and uniform..cause like acme said, as long as you just keep tying it down as it grows it will do it......

but i still think its tricky..... as the plant gets older it gets harder to keep tying it in a circle.


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ezbake

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well ..lol i just need a rough estimate

about how tall is a LST plant (i mean actual height as if it werent tied down)
 
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ezbake

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darrinjefferson said:
i get 2-3oz off my lst plants. i guess normal LST would be just pulling the top over and then pulling down the various side branches.

and i think i am wrong in saying its hard....maybe i should say its hard to get it to look like the pick...all nice and uniform..cause like acme said, as long as you just keep tying it down as it grows it will do it......

but i still think its tricky..... as the plant gets older it gets harder to keep tying it in a circle.


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hey, how long do you veg them for? do you do the normal or spiral?
you have co2 enriched room?

i see wut u mean by it being harder as it gets older, maybe not the entire spiral maybe just half or something.
how much of your pot is filled up in comparison to the spiral method when you siwtch to flower?

do the plants stretch in LST when flower? What stretches - the bud sites growing up or the main stem?
 
darrinjefferson

darrinjefferson

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i veg my plant in their pot(about 3 gal) for at least a month..maybe a bit more. heres the link to the LST method i use...i really like it. works great.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=6090

and no i dont use co2
and yeah i could see a half circle being a more fesable(sp?) idea. the lst method causes them to bush out a fair amount. they spill over the edge of the pots as the pot is only like 8" across i believe. and yes the plants stretch in flower...every plant does. and its the whole plant...all the branches. once it slows down then the buds start forming.

total height of the LST'd plant varies on strain and such...my grape haze strtched ALOT more than my c-4 or snocap. the goal of the lst is to try and creat an even canopy so that you can maximize the number of tops that you have. some of my plants not including the pot are only maybe 1' 1/2 or so....lst keeps em small.


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acme420

the stretching is the main cola going up and having a longer gap in between nodes.

sorta liek this weak ascii pictogram im gonna draw.

\`/ <--- top cola
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| <--- stem
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as the plant grows taller the stem grows faster and as a result theres more space in between the nodes. when you train it down the main cola doesnt grow as fast and instead the side branches/ secondary colas grow faster than they would if just left to grow upwards normally. when you tie the top down all the energy it would be using to grow taller is redistributed through the plant. i dont have the exact terms and shit because i learned about lst some years ago on OG r.i.p and as long as the main tip is below the level of the next node in line the energy it would be using to grow taller is sent to the next node in line and that is told to grow higher. so o put it in a vertical perspective. it would cause the side branches to grow faster than the top.
 
Breezy420

Breezy420

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ezbake its as tall as you want it to be. Thats the wonderful thing about LST is you can control the hight by tying it down. Hell if you wanted to you could have a plant that is no larger than 1ft tall and spread it out across your grow room if you veg it long enough. There is no real answer to how tall it is, because its up to you how tall you want to let it become before tying it down further.
 
waydee

waydee

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acme420 said:
yeild is based on the grower and the plants genetics. lst should yield you whatever the plant would have yielded had you let it grow straight up. lst is just a method for height control.
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I'm of the belief that LST indirectly affects yield in that creating a short, bushy plant with a lot of budsites at a similar canopy height allows more budsites to receive direct lighting and thus produce more bud than a plant grown without any training .

Well thats how I see it anyway, i'd love to see if someone has done a yield comparison of one plant LST'd and the other left to grow 'christmas tree' style.
 
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Did somebody say LST?






Spiraling would work, but it's probably not necessary. LST isn't difficult, the key is finding what works for YOU :sasmokin:
 
b10narybud

b10narybud

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ezbake said:
Hey all on grass city's forums (sorry IC, don't mean to direct people there - your forum is MUCH better) this guy posted a LST guide that seems cool.
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Damn Well Agreed. Until a few days ago i was a AVID GC member. Now, i'm all ICMAG. Theres way more activity and information on here. However, grasss city does have some kick ass stuff. But, there are a lot more tokers there than growers i think. And i'm a grower now..so BAH.

I've converted to ICMAG. It's like they say...once you go black, you never go back. But, i went ICMAG. Great forum guys.
 
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ezbake

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waydee said:
I'm of the belief that LST indirectly affects yield in that creating a short, bushy plant with a lot of budsites at a similar canopy height allows more budsites to receive direct lighting and thus produce more bud than a plant grown without any training .

Well thats how I see it anyway, i'd love to see if someone has done a yield comparison of one plant LST'd and the other left to grow 'christmas tree' style.
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Yup... you could have said that a lot simpler but yeah that's LST... i think we've been over that tho
 
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Hi There EZ Bake I'm going to answer your PM in this thread -
The purpose of LST is to have a more even canopy of buds. I grow in a computer case, so training is necessary to increase my yield (limited head room).

I start by bending the plant over as close to the edge of the pot as possible, then I someone spiral the plant around the edge of the pot. This method is somewhat effective, however it still leaves a bunch of fan leaves hanging over the edge.

Veg time depends on how much space you have and how many side branches you want to grow out. I also train the side branches to keep the canopy somewhat even.

Let me know if this didn't completely answer your question as I havent had my coffee this morning :badday:
 
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