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LR2 F2

beek

Member
So now I understand that if I pollinate LR2 female with LR2 male I will get 100% AF seeds.

Now if I grow those seeds and pollinate again LR2 female with LR2 male will I again have 100% AF genetics ?

Thank you for your answers
 

beek

Member
Great :) thanks

Now further wondering. When I make let's say fourth batch of seeds will the quality degrade or should I expect the same plants as from original seeds.

All in all as long as I pollinate AF with AF I will get AF. Sounds good ;)
 

Tropic

Member
Now further wondering. When I make let's say fourth batch of seeds will the quality degrade or should I expect the same plants as from original seeds.

You can expect better plants than the originals if you select your parents carefully each generation. Having many selected plants is better, as the resulting seeds will have a more diverse genetic background (rather than just pollinating one female with one male - but it works too).

Peace :joint:
 

shroomyshroom

Doing what we do because we are who we are
Veteran
You can expect better plants than the originals if you select your parents carefully each generation. Having many selected plants is better, as the resulting seeds will have a more diverse genetic background (rather than just pollinating one female with one male - but it works too).

Peace :joint:

hit the nail right ont he head... things improve with selective breeding
 

antimatter

Active member
Veteran
The more you cross it the more of the ruderalis genes are going to be present, it would be better to just buy more seeds to breed with than to keep breeding your own stock.
 

rebo

Member
The more you cross it the more of the ruderalis genes are going to be present
Although possible, not necessarily definite.

What I mean is, not necessarily will more ruderalis genes be present with selective breeding. If you breed a shepard/retriever with a shepard/retriever will you get more retriever, or more shepard, in the offspring? The outcome is partially dependant on the genes of the parents, as well as other factors, such as predisposition, mutations, environmental factors, etc..
Selecting specific parents increases the odds that the offspring will have inherited certain specific traits possessed by the selected parents. Weather those traits are more retriever genes, or more shepard genes, or even specific behaviors in the children. The outcome can be steered towards through selective breeding.
 

Tropic

Member
In my personal experience ruderalis genes (I presume that antimatter meant low potency autoflowering plants) don't come back in the crosses, but so far I have only inbred 3 generations of the same AFs. Maybe further down the road I'll see potency decrease, but for now, things have been getting better and better each time, don't know if it's me having them dialed in better, or selecting good parents for each generations, or both, but I believe my last generation plants are way better (regarding potency, yield and aroma/taste) than their parents/grandparents.

Peace :joint:
 

*mr.mike*

Member
The more you cross it the more of the ruderalis genes are going to be present, it would be better to just buy more seeds to breed with than to keep breeding your own stock.

When you consider that the ruderalis part was used only to give an autoflowering gene, and nothing else, and that the plants were selected based on potency (for quite a few years now) to make them more appealing, how do figure that ruderalis genes would increase?

Consider this... while only a few years ago, people were dying from diseases they didn't know were genetic. Now, with treatments and medicines for these diseases, and these people affected living longer and having offspring. Why is it that prevalence and spread of these genetic diseases has remained stable?

I think a simple course in genetics would clear up a lot of your Hoodoo and hocus-pocus.

In other words, NO. The ruderalis genes are so few, and since ruderalis is the exact same species as all other marijuana/hemp, these genes are at worst very small parts of the plants genome by now, and at best, they are exactly the same, if not hardier, than most available strains.
 
L

loc

I dont want to hijack this thread,but I have another question.If you get some lowryder male pollen,and pollenate a regular female,will the seeds be autos?
I have some dwarf mix seeds soaking now,and planned on crossing the females with some regular pollen I have frozen,and also planned on saving any LR male pollen for crosses.Ive done quite a few crosses,but this is my first LR grow.
 

shroomyshroom

Doing what we do because we are who we are
Veteran
I dont want to hijack this thread,but I have another question.If you get some lowryder male pollen,and pollenate a regular female,will the seeds be autos?
I have some dwarf mix seeds soaking now,and planned on crossing the females with some regular pollen I have frozen,and also planned on saving any LR male pollen for crosses.Ive done quite a few crosses,but this is my first LR grow.

it will take a few seed runs to make a fully auto flowering plant

id say your first run will give you close to %20 - %30 true auto flowering plants, wht you would need to do then is pick the quickets and best looking plants the auto flowered and back cross em again, and again, and again untill you have eventuall stablized the strain :D its great fun :D you can eve use the non truely auto flowering seeds for an out dooo grow.. the auto gene that is only semi present should have shaved off a good week or to on the flowering :D
 

beek

Member
it will take a few seed runs to make a fully auto flowering plant

id say your first run will give you close to %20 - %30 true auto flowering plants, wht you would need to do then is pick the quickets and best looking plants the auto flowered and back cross em again, and again, and again untill you have eventuall stablized the strain :D its great fun :D you can eve use the non truely auto flowering seeds for an out dooo grow.. the auto gene that is only semi present should have shaved off a good week or to on the flowering :D

Confused....I thought if you pollinate auto female with auto male you get 100% auto beans.
 

streetvibes

Member
i have to agree with tropic seen my buddies work of 4yrs and yep its getting better every time to be honest i dont touch anything else than what he gives me autos are up there
 
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