Looking for the original positronics genetics list from the 90s

[THC123]

Hi guys,

Does anyone have a link top the original positronics seed list from the 90's? The new positronics is only positronics in name but has nothing to do with the old one.

I have a very old mother plant code named BXW that comes from positronics. I want to find the list to see what sativa/haze of the positronics this could be.

 

[THC123]

EDIT: I found it on icmag via google search. After going through the strain list and comparing it with the smells and grow pattern, the only strain that it could be is Haze 19 X skunk.

In veg and for the first 4-5 weeks of flowering it resembles amnesia core cut and then the smells go into a different direction. Less sweet, more woody and incense and something lemony but not like the amnesia. ,It is also stronger than amnesia.

The cut comes from seeds that were given to me by Hans (asanoha) who used to work at positronics behind the hash bar. After his death I inhetired his seeds.

I also still have posi citral and afghan but they don't germ anymore. Would be cool if I could just cut the embryo from the seed and make it grow

Also still got the (pakistani) Hindu kush and green dragon that still germ

 

[Benny106]

Nice blast from the past.

 

[mexcurandero420]

EDIT: I found it on icmag via google search. After going through the strain list and comparing it with the smells and grow pattern, the only strain that it could be is Haze 19 X skunk.

In veg and for the first 4-5 weeks of flowering it resembles amnesia core cut and then the smells go into a different direction. Less sweet, more woody and incense and something lemony but not like the amnesia. ,It is also stronger than amnesia.

The cut comes from seeds that were given to me by Hans (asanoha) who used to work at positronics behind the hash bar. After his death I inhetired his seeds.

I also still have posi citral and afghan but they don't germ anymore. Would be cool if I could just cut the embryo from the seed and make it grow

Also still got the (pakistani) Hindu kush and green dragon that still germ

Try coconut water 15 ml per ltr water, do wonders.Good luck.

 

[THC123]

Thx for the tip...can you elaborate further? Why does coconut water help germination of old seeds? I heard scarring the seeds and soaking them in Hydrogenperoxide solution would also help.

Any thoughts?

Would be cool if I get the last citral, golden leaf, afghan seeds to germinate. They are so old, I gave up germing them 8 years ago. They are still in the freezer though.

 

[RoyalFlush]

EDIT: I found it on icmag via google search. After going through the strain list and comparing it with the smells and grow pattern, the only strain that it could be is Haze 19 X skunk.

In veg and for the first 4-5 weeks of flowering it resembles amnesia core cut and then the smells go into a different direction. Less sweet, more woody and incense and something lemony but not like the amnesia. ,It is also stronger than amnesia.

The cut comes from seeds that were given to me by Hans (asanoha) who used to work at positronics behind the hash bar. After his death I inhetired his seeds.

I also still have posi citral and afghan but they don't germ anymore. Would be cool if I could just cut the embryo from the seed and make it grow

Also still got the (pakistani) Hindu kush and green dragon that still germ

That's the skunk haze Homegrown fantaseeds has, well then again they did buy off a whole bunch of breeding stock from positronics after they closed down.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Thx for the tip...can you elaborate further? Why does coconut water help germination of old seeds? I heard scarring the seeds and soaking them in Hydrogenperoxide solution would also help.

Any thoughts?

Would be cool if I get the last citral, golden leaf, afghan seeds to germinate. They are so old, I gave up germing them 8 years ago. They are still in the freezer though.

Just read this

Use this brand

 

[Apomixis]

Also still got the (pakistani) Hindu kush and green dragon that still germ

Why do you imply Positronics Hindu Kush was of Pakistani origin?

Wasn’t it originally Sam’s variety, similar to their Haze and Skunk selections?

 

[El Timbo]

Use this brand

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Or an actual coconut?

 

[THC123]

Why do you imply Positronics Hindu Kush was of Pakistani origin?

Wasn’t it originally Sam’s variety, similar to their Haze and Skunk selections?

Hey I am implying this because that is what Hans (asanoha, the keeper) told me.

I hate these kind of stories because they are difficult to verify (strain origin stories lol) but according to him these seeds came from old ed holloway and were from before the skunk invasion. I don't know if it is the same as the posi hindu kush.

They were also known as citral number 5 (not the same as citral, it was a seperated line from same region) and Nederzaad 2005 (the name Hans gave the strain when he started with his own seed co. When he was alive he was paranoid that people found out which posi strains he had so he gave them code names. I have no idea why he was so paranoid. Although after his death his place was turned over, someone broke into his home, the original haze seeds were gone along with some other seeds.

Btw apomixis here is a link to the n2005 topic:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=108341

Also the whole story about how the positronics seeds were stolen and how he ended up with them was sketchy to say the least, but no bad words about dead people ey, but I have my own theories which I will not post here out of respect for him.

Whatever their origin these kush seeds have nothing to do with what we nowadays call kush, totally different smell and looks. There are BLD types and hybrid BLD/NLD types in there. According to Hans there were also phenos with CBD in them and even CBD dominant phenos, but mostly THC dominant phenos. Smells are spicy, herby, sweet, souer but nothing like OGkush. SO if you buy these seeds expecting something "kushy" (like we know it today) you will be very dissappointed. The BLD types were narcotic, eye burning day enders. The mix types were more balanced and less strong.


I have found phenotypes with very good potency.

The real value in these seeds is that they are not poly poly poly poly hybrids and no skunk or afghan in them. They have remained unchanged since the 80's.

Should Sam read this, if you have any info on citral number 5 or paki hindu kush you are very welcome to add your comments.

Btw after looking up the link to the n2005 I realised that the answer to my initial question was posted by myself in 2009 lol, oops....but hey that was 10 years ago....damn time flies fuck

 

[@hempy]

Try coconut water 15 ml per ltr water, do wonders.Good luck.

Very interesting never heard of this before

 

[@hempy]

A fast search and i found this first up i will start to research this more hope this helps.


The objective of this study was to determine the promotional effect of coconut water, gibberellic acid, cold stratification and mechanical scarification on seed germination of Dracontium grayumianum, and the effect of gibberellic acid and coconut water on the sprouting of corms of the same species. The seeds without the inductive treatment were unable to germinate, but the immersion in coconut water had significant effects, producing a germination rate of 50%, higher than the effect achieved with other treatments. The liquid endosperm of coconut also had favorable effect on the sprouting of corms under nursery conditions, like the treatment with gibberellic acid solution. This is the first report of the use of coconut water as a promoter of seed germination with high latency, which places this resource as an additional alternative, highly efficient, and cost-effective, for use in plant propagation strategies of species with seeds of deep dormancy.https://inis.iaea.org/search/search.aspx?orig_q=RN:45079559

 

[Apomixis]

@THC123, thanks for clarifying. I certainly didn't work for Positronics nor can I claim to know the answers, but that info catches me as suspect for the following reasons:

1)Had it been apart of Ed Holloway's collection, I think Positronics would have denoted that in their catalogues (see attached reference).

2)Wernard Bruining has never mentioned it being apart of their original collection (https://www.wietforum.nl/topic/88179-super-sativa-seed-club/page/2/)

3)Hindu Kush wasn't introduced by Positronics according to Rob Clarke's seed company chronology in Cannabible #1.

Since Hindu Kush wasn't marked as being from Positronics "private collection", and Wernard has confirmed the source of their Haze and Skunk genetics, I've presumed Hindu Kush was from Sam as well. At this point only he could verify.

Providing my hypothesis is correct, "Nederzaad" would be appear to be a vintage Hindu Kush IBL from Positronics via Skunkman.

-Kanza

 

[Apomixis]

...Upon further review, it's entirely plausible the Hindu Kush was sourced from Sensi Seeds as well. By 1991 it was a selection in their catalogue, and considering "Aurora Borealis" was renamed Northern Lights to avoid trademark infringement, it's plausible Sensi Seeds was one of their many genetic suppliers.

The distinction made here is there were two separate Hindu Kush varieties circulating Amseterdam during the 90's. Sam's sourced from California, and Nevil's hybrid which consisted of Kush # 4 x NL#2.

Either way, "Nederzaad" sounds like old school herbs

 

[THC123]

Hey Wernard never mentionned it but he was aware of it. After Asanoha's death I sent him some citral nr 5 seeds because he lost his seeds. I could ask him if he knows anything more about the specific genetics, but to be honest, he is a friendly guy but pretty out there and he doesnt aways make a lot of sense. I'll let you know if I find out more.

Main difference with normal citral and citral number 5 is smell and effect, citral is more herby lemony while nr 5 is more sweet and souer and stronge but also hernal but no lemonr. Citral is located in the hindu kush region in pakistan so it could be that it citral nr 5 is paki hindu kush (dont know if it is the same as sensi or sam's kush). I don't see why Hans would lie about this. But we weren't there so we will never know for sure...

Btw I dont see your attached reference?

 

[mexcurandero420]

Didn't Hans had any Lebanese seeds from Old Ed, because the variety Viking which was sold as clone at Positronics had probably Lebanese genetics mixed with Afghani genetics.Clone had a 6 week flowering period which i also found in Lebanese genetics.

1996 catalogue of Positronics

 

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I remember a Posi variety called Red Dawn that supposedly was ready in six weeks?
A friend of mine began growing it but got busted by his landlord after he let himself in his property while my friend was out, no police was called but my friend was kicked out of the flat, so we never saw the finished product.