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Looking for any and all tips on germinating old seeds...

beancounter

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I've recently aquired about 25 'Humboldt County Skunk' seeds, aquired from a biker in 1984.. The seeds/strain has also been called 'Texas Polecat', but since Sagmartha used to have a strain by the same name (polecat) I'm leaning away from using that name for these seeds to avoid confusion..


An old grower in Texas used to run clones from these seeds, and ran them for aprox 15 yrs.. Unfortunately, he never kept mums... He would just take cuts from his vegging plants and use them for the next cycle..

He kept 2 phenos going, both were heavily indica with very wide fan leaves.. 1 pheno would purple up easily (in texas) and would have spotty, kush like buds, no full colas..

the other 'green' pheno would make more complete colas, but was still heavily indica dom..

Both phenos never more than doubled their height when triggered, grown in a very basic dwc hydro system..


He was one of the greedy growers, as he wouldn't even pass out clones of either pheno to friends, let alone even consider selling them.. And that was the downfall of the texas polecat..


His greedyness, and the fact he never kept mothers led to him loosing everything... His rooting hormone was contaminated and they never rooted, and that was the end of those particular phenos..

He tried to reveg but was unsuccessful, my friend who sourced these seeds still cries to this day thinking about this grower's greedyness, and loss of the only true Road Kill Skunk he has ever seen...

Part of the problem is that this line has insanely wide and hollow stems, which can make rooting a problem.. aswell as revegging.. also, i find the heavily indica dominant strains have more trouble revegging than sativas or sativa doms..


When my friend would go for a visit, he would literally be afraid, as the smell was soooo strong u were expecting a bust at any moment.. trimming was a nightmare, scary to do, and a serious security concern.. Honestly, if these clones didn't die on him, he probly woulda been busted shortly after..


He started the 1st seeds in '84 when he got them, and lost the clones to the rooting issue in 2000.. He passed away shortly thereafter, and the seeds were passed onto his son, along with some other oldskool genetics and seed from the triangle.. Some of the seeds are as old as 1976, but the Humboldt Skunks are what i'm really after, and those are from 1984, so they should still have a good chance to germ..



So, i'm hear now, asking for any tips u guys and girls have on germin old seed.. I know quite a few methods myself, and have some good ideas of what to do.. but before i go and germ them, i'd like to ask around and see if there where any methods I've left out..


This is for the RKS, so it's definately for a good cause, and worth aproaching carefully..


I'd love for Sam to chime in, as I imagine he's germed quite a few older seeds in his day..

And all the RKS lovers out there, please say a prayer, or wish me luck :joint:
 
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wow, awesome story. i wish you luck man! if you get them going, you hold the grail! :)
 

mtnjohn

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holy cow........i havnt got any tips that you dont prolly already know
...but i wish you the best luck a man could ever have with those beans

man o man...i remember back in the early 80's getiing my first true rks
stunk up the whole damn house
ive been trying to get something like it since i been growing but havent even come close to that true rks reek and hashy bite

good luck bc

mj
 
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HarryNugz

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the only tips are the common ones.

1. use a heat mat on low setting for constant temp

2. i like the paper towel method, slightly moist but not over saturated.
paper towel in a ziplok bag, then bag between two small ceramic plates.

3. check them about every 5 days but be gentile opening the paper towel.
since they are old, the seeds could take up to 3 weeks to germ.

4. try gently scraping the sides of the seeds at the seams. will help the sprout
to get out.

i think if you try to germ in soil you will end up disappointed, but that's just me and you may not get any to germ at all anyway.

some like to pre soak. i don't do it and still get good results.

i'm sure others can offer more tips on their methods.
 

zamalito

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25 seeds that are 23 years old doesn't sound like good odds but its definitely worth giving a shot and I wish you the best of luck. I don't have much to offer as far as techniques that you aren't already aware of. Personally when in similar situations I wait for the time of year when the mold spore count is the lowest especially if you're going to be using heat since the heat also incubates pathogens. Ozone generators b vitamins and horticultural peroxide are your friends. Be sure to use a thoroughly cleaned supply of air.
 
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I'm sure you've considered this but you might want to consider trying a tea soak with a few...
 

Chiefsmokingbud

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Damn, if that's the same pole cat i smoked back in the 90's, it's damn good stuff. You deffinantly couldn't carry a bag of it on you. Opening a bag would stink up a whole room lol. I would try to germ some using traditional methods and if it's a no-go you might want to check into Giberellic acid which can also be used to germ old seeds. BTW i have some gib acid i'd be happy to pass along if it comes down to it.


"Developing seeds are active sites of GA biosynthesis, and studies have found increases in GA levels in seeds during cold treatment and germination. The germination of old seeds has been improved with use of GA. Applied GA-3 may trigger dormant seed germination, in many cases overcoming the need for special or prolonged dormancy-breaking conditions such as cold. treatment, light, after-ripening, etc. We have designed these kits for the study of this effect"
 
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beancounter

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I agree zam, not very good odds at all, but they were stored with some care, so it's definately worth a try..

Coming with those seeds are a whole bunch of other stuff, from over the last 2-3 decades.. Including some 'Mint Spear tip' seed, and seed from all of the very best bags he's had over the last decades..

I will start with the Skunk, but I will go thru each and everyone of the seeds over time, the Mint Spear Tips I will germ with the Skunks, as they were stored together, and from the same biker.. and are the same age.. then i'll do the other ones in order, from oldest to newest.


I do know of quite a few techniques, but please keep them coming folks, it would be nice to have all the info in the same place.. I saw a couple threads with the search funtion, but they were fairly technique specific, and I'd like to try a few different methods..


Some that I will try are some heat (i've always put my seeds on top of my 80-83 degree shoplights to germ anyways), I will use the sandpaper method on some, and the tweezer method on others (which i prefer).. I will use presoaking in good water with some H202, which i use for all seeds with good success.. I prefer to plant the seed before the radicle is exposed (more than a couple mm) to avoid possible damage upon planting..

The medium will be sterile of course, much care will go into making sure all the work surfaces and materials are clean..


thanks okra, tea was one i had forgotten about..


I'm also curious if anyone has anymore details on using pressure to force moisture into the seed.. I've heard this was used with some success on old seed..



thanks to everyone for the tips and wishes of luck.. please keep the ideas comin'
 

beancounter

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Chiefsmokingbud said:
Damn, if that's the same pole cat i smoked back in the 90's, it's damn good stuff. You deffinantly couldn't carry a bag of it on you. Opening a bag would stink up a whole room lol. I would try to germ some using traditional methods and if it's a no-go you might want to check into Giberellic acid which can also be used to germ old seeds. BTW i have some gib acid i'd be happy to pass along if it comes down to it.


there's another good one, I've heard of it being used before.. As u suggest, I will of course go with the coventional methods 1st, and will only go the more invasive methods after/if that fails..

I will let u know if it comes down to it.. thanks
 

Slim Pickens

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beancounter said:
I'm also curious if anyone has anymore details on using pressure to force moisture into the seed.. I've heard this was used with some success on old seed..

I have a friend that has employed the pressure hydration method with a fair amount of success.He was able to germ some quite old seed (large),but had no success with some very small Thai from 30 years ago.

He uses threaded pvc pipe with whatever nutrient solution he uses,(seaweed extract or whatever),with a tire valve stem inserted in the top.He then pumps up the pressure to 40lbs.Of course you know all the other methods,and some might be incorporated into this method as well.

I would never-ever presume to be an expert,but Chiefsmokinbud mentions GA.With seed that important it might be worth a shot.


I wish you success...I know how important it is to want something back that has been lost.
 

zamalito

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I'm really jealous over the mint spear tip even moreso than the polecat. Please keep us posted. I'm confident that a good rks will surface eventually but the old mint buds were much more rare. I'm more than willing to conduct any preparatory experiments with material from my big bag of unlabeled mixed seeds. I also have some old seeds that I really don't care about much which may be some good experimenting stock. Before you go about using the good ones.
 
G

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MMMM Mint spear tip sounds delicious. Nothing to add except i wish you the best of luck :lurk:
 
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Mint spear tips sounds yummy. The only thing I can add is a soak in black tea is supposed to help crack old beans. Good luck!
 

southwind

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Hey BC

A relative of mine works with very very rare cycads which are impossible to get any longer, so its very important that he have these survive.

I know he uses gibberelic acid with good success.

Occasionally he scores the seeds of other rare types and also uses the giberellic acid.


SW
 

PazVerdeRadical

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consider waiting until the new moon to start the germination process, so the moon is on the rise... paz
 
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