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Looking for a new spot - rent vs. contract for deed, rural or urban

qupee

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The wife decided she'd be willing to try growing again, so we're brainstorming ideas for a safe way to get a new spot. She's no longer willing to risk growing where we live, but if we can acquire another property - hopefully with some anonymity - she's open to it.

What are your experiences getting a second location to keep your home lower stress?

Our finances are limited, we took a pretty big hit at the end of last year and haven't recovered. We can raise $5k for sure, probably 7 or 8, maybe $10k.

We would prefer to buy, but our credit is screwed right now and our income history for 2012 is bad (my 2011 w-2 was $75k, but I switched to contract jobs and make much less now). Contract for deeds seem somewhat common and 10% down is common, so we definitely have options there.

The benefit to renting is there is likely a wider selection (wider then cheap enough contract for deed houses for sale), but finding the right landlord might not be easy (and we can't afford to get it wrong and change).

We think a rural location is better. We live in a suburb in our mid-west state's main metropolitan area, and we're trying to keep our house here. Within an hour drive there is plenty of rural areas. Since we'd be just going there several times a week to tend the crop but never staying overnight or anything, I think rural would draw less attention. I'd like a house that can't be seen from the road with an attached garage, for example.

Again, there's more selection in the metro area, but you would definitely stand out more.

I've scanned craigslist and I can find a fair number of seller financed land plots; it's not always clear if they have electric or water. We are thinking maybe get a plot and get a trailer home put on it (there are also, interestingly, some entire houses available that are very cheap and just need to be moved - wonder how far you could move them).

We'd prefer a house over a trailer home. We want to run 3kw, maybe 4kw if the spot can support it. Much easier to deal with ventilation in a house. It seems a little tough to find seller financed houses in the country (something smaller than a hobby farm at least). Perhaps simply driving around looking would yield more results?

On the other hand, a little plot for a trailer is easy to find. Trailers are cheap and disposable. I just don't think it would be worth it if I don't feel comfortable running at least 3kw flowering though.

It would be ideal if there was no connection to our names. If I could afford a property outright, paid in full, I could establish a trust and have the trust purchase the property - but I don't think it would work to try and establish a contract for deed; if the seller's financing they probably want to know who is actually financing - not just some corp owned by a trust. I do have one trusted immediate family member who would maybe put their name on the contract (and could claim they rented it out if shit ever went down).
 

FlowerFarmer

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Rural home land contract hopefully secluded enough so that people dont know if your coming and going...and cant determine that you dont live there.

The trailer idea sounds sketchy to me.. but I guess every situation is different. I'd go trailer as your "bunk house" and run a grow in a large shed or pole building on the property.


Either route I wouldn't potentially implicate any relatives over your dirt. If your tending the spot you'd be "their guy" regardless of who held the deed to the property. Don't get others involved.

my 2c
 
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BrnCow

Trailers are security nightmares. If you run across a trashed out one, kick the shit out of the doors and see what happens. Taking the door frame apart may prove to be a way to reinforce the doors but there may be substandard wiring or aluminum wiring that is a known fire hazard even when not overloaded, they will burn to the ground in just a few minutes - like 10 or so. Sizes of things are not regular house sizes. The moving a house thing might be okay but remember that a septic system is $10,000 or more. A moving company might have a house to move somewhere but you need to check with the local city/county engineering department to see what you have to do to move it. The moving company does all of that shit. And old house might need to be rewired.
 

qupee

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Putting in a tough but still inconspicuous door would be a must on a trailer, and I'd just run new copper wire straight to the panel too.

A shed or other building could work. I'd feel better about a higher elec. use with a shed that could cover as a welding shop or home of some powder coating ovens, etc.

I guess a house would be the best bet if I can find one in a suitable spot that's cheap enough and the owner will finance. Might be a tall order, or at least take some time searching.

Ultimately, this spot is pretty temporary. Within a year I'll be looking for something more solid that can definitely support 4kw.

FlowerFarmer - I like your 5kw. That's basically what I'm aiming for within a year (heck now if I can find a house) - nice simple vertical with blumats, 4 or 5 kw.
 
If you're looking for a temp spot I would use a trailer over a shed, because a trailer is considered a home and a warrant is needed to enter. If using a shed you must put a fence around the home and shed for it to be considered inside your curtlidge. Even if you have a house. I would not put the grow in a shed, its less secure by far.
 

FlowerFarmer

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^good point.

I hadn't even thought of that.

So if one in a rural area had a large pole building on a piece of their property a distance from the main house LEO could go a'snooping without warrant?

I've tossed around the idea of doing a enclosed trailer build-out that could be ran inside a locked/secure pole building. Need to clean house and get it out of there.. just tow it to another storage location..

Maybe its not he greatest idea...
 
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BrnCow

Tall fence and big dog around house trailer might be a good idea...and no land line phone...some cops have snuck up to peoples house, plugged in a $10 phone into the outside phone box, dialed 911, and hauled ass....cops have to enter on 911 hangups around here..and they go in every room!
 

qupee

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Tall fence and big dog around house trailer might be a good idea...and no land line phone...some cops have snuck up to peoples house, plugged in a $10 phone into the outside phone box, dialed 911, and hauled ass....cops have to enter on 911 hangups around here..and they go in every room!


Yep I've heard that story. I do need reasonably high speed internet wherever it is. It is a requirement that we have streaming video and motion detection alerts covering the perimeter. Basically, if we see any heat we simply walk away.
 

burns1n209

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find a farmer that has a couple house on his property that are surronded by corn fields or whatever and they will usually finance becuase the own it all already. they are usually smaller houses that would be perfect.
 
Devils advocate stuff. Here's some problems I see . It's a 2 hour round trip several times a week, that time doesn't include onsite working on your crop. Time adds up, not to mention gasoline.
"Rural", "secluded", and "high speed internet" do not belong in the same paragraph. (and Hughes net sucks despite the high cost)
Rural crime stats are higher than everything except the innermost of inner city areas.
I don't think anyone with a hunting cabin where they don't live leaves anything valuable in them. Us live in types most all have gun safes and large dogs to slow down the local junkies . The little buggers will in fact take anything they can fence for a few bucks, security cameras should fetch a nice buck. Hard to keep Cujo the dog if you're an absentee.
Lastly, always learn a lot about your water supply.
You can pull this off but do your homework.
 

qupee

Member
Devils advocate stuff. Here's some problems I see . It's a 2 hour round trip several times a week, that time doesn't include onsite working on your crop. Time adds up, not to mention gasoline.
"Rural", "secluded", and "high speed internet" do not belong in the same paragraph. (and Hughes net sucks despite the high cost)
Rural crime stats are higher than everything except the innermost of inner city areas.
I don't think anyone with a hunting cabin where they don't live leaves anything valuable in them. Us live in types most all have gun safes and large dogs to slow down the local junkies . The little buggers will in fact take anything they can fence for a few bucks, security cameras should fetch a nice buck. Hard to keep Cujo the dog if you're an absentee.
Lastly, always learn a lot about your water supply.
You can pull this off but do your homework.


All good points. It is difficult to decide if it is better to go rural for privacy or urban for blending in (needle in a haystack). I have two big issues with urban: 1. Suspicious neighbors because my hours would not be those of someone who lives there (attached garage and timers would go a long ways though) and 2. Much harder to do counter-surveillance. You wouldn't know if a plainclothes task force agent was driving by - but in the country you can find a place where anyone coming near at all would be suspicious.

Also, the goal is for this spot to be a 1 year deal. If I had a bigger startup fund I would know exactly what to do for another spot, but with $5k-10k and bad credit options are much more limited.
 
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ak-51

A rural spot would be better IMO. There are a lot more variables in an urban environment.

If I were in the country I would put in an above ground pool and use it to water cool everything; cooling solved. You could burn all of your trash in the middle of the night once in a while. Odor, although still important, would be less of an issue when your nearest neighbor is a quarter mile away than when they're 15 feet.
 
What would be a good story for why you are renting a big house with only one person on the list, any ideas?

Maybe a home business that requires a lot of space for boxes, or you have relatives stay over alot...
 
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