little help please

[GorillaGrower]

hey guys.. tried the pf tech for the first time.. seems i was close but had some difficulties and would love to get some answers on why it didn't work.


40 pint/half pint jars.. all according to normal pf tec

used a pressure cooker..

the syringes were old.. only one inoculated 10 jars proper.. the rest sat and nothing happened. very few actually got contaminated.. so im just thinking to other 3 syringes were old or dead spores??

anyway after 3 weeks or a month.. the 10 jars were fully blued out .. (were they supposed to be blue(does that mean too much or too little water,, air?)..

I put them on a bed of perlite that was wet.. inside of a rubbermaid with a lid. the perlite kept the inside a perfect 100% and aired it out atleast once a day..

after a month or two.. nothing.. at first some small spots of white (looked like the good stuff) would start.. but then kinda die off..

at this point the cakes are still blue mostly.. but starting to get a little ragged looking. thinking of just layering em outside with hay and dung.. good idea?


so my main questions... were the 10 good jars right? were they supposed to be all blue.. or was that where it went wrong? I was waiting for the mycelium ? to start pinning before birthing themm... but it seemed that it wasn't happening.

thanks guys

 

[VT_Fire]

blue? the jars are supposed to be 100% white with mycelium once the jars fully colonize...not blue. if your syringes were old sometimes it takes a long time for the jars to colonize, but one thing for certain is that they are not supposed to turn blue. got any pictures?

 

[Denial N Error]

Actually cakes turn blue often. It is bruising.

 

[79towncar]

I would say throw them out and start fresh with new proven syringes.. If you are in need of a reputable vendor then please PM me.. I will only charge you $69.95 for the link! HAHA just kidding.. Start fresh.. There shouldn't be much blue brusing on a cake before it's birthed... A spot or two is ok but any cakes with huge blue spots or bluing over the majority of the cake should be tossed... This is either a sighn of poor growing conditions or you mistaking a mold for blue brusing... Either way this is a NO NO... Start over fresh, throw away the contents of ALL the jars!!! Better luck next time.. Read my TEKS that I have posted... They can help you out alot.. And if you have any other questions feel free to PM me at anytime.. I usually get back to questions daily but sometimes alittle longer.. Since this new forum opened I have been getting swamped with private messages... Do not let that discourage you and don't think you are bothering me.. This goes for anybody else also.. I love to help and I always will as long as people show me respect...

 

[nepalnt21]

interesting... ive never seen a cake get fully blue while inside the jar. have you been moving them around a lot? are they sealed properly? is it light blue? mycelium can and does turn blue, and if it is in fact mycelium, then your syringes are not bad. they can last a good long while if stored in the right conditions.

anyway i think its pretty common for the first time grower to not have good results. keep trying till u get it right. if you buy sporeprints, you can make a whole hell of a lot of syringes. i think you can probably make 10 or 20 syringes from one print.

3rd times a charm, as they say.

 

[79towncar]

interesting... ive never seen a cake get fully blue while inside the jar. have you been moving them around a lot? are they sealed properly? is it light blue? mycelium can and does turn blue, and if it is in fact mycelium, then your syringes are not bad. they can last a good long while if stored in the right conditions.

anyway i think its pretty common for the first time grower to not have good results. keep trying till u get it right. if you buy sporeprints, you can make a whole hell of a lot of syringes. i think you can probably make 10 or 20 syringes from one print.

3rd times a charm, as they say.

Yes print are a better value but syringes are more user friendly.. Usually when a cake get's blue inside the jar it's a sighn of bad conditions... Poor gas exchange, low humidity, not enough moisture and even contaminants..

 

[VT_Fire]

bruising is one thing but having jars that are "fully blued out" is another. thats called contamination

 

[Denial N Error]

I thought he said he birthed them from the jars, they sat around for a while, and slowly blue'd.

Maybe I misunderstood.

 

[GorillaGrower]

thanks for the responses.. 1st.. it was my first time.. but i think they were not contaminated.. because I used 4 syringes 1 per 10 jars. 10 jars all marked the same syringe all turned light blue,, not from rough handling.. the other 30 jars.. remained pretty much the same for a couple months except for 2-3 of them that got yellow spots.


ill toss em i think what my problem was air exchange, or too much water too little in the initial mixture.


oh i just remembered.. the main reason i thought the blue was mycelium. was that it turned blue and spread exactly where the solution was dripped along the edges and then spread uniformly through all the jars

 

[79towncar]

A couple months?? If a jar takes more the one month to colonize (unless it's a half gallon jar) I wouldn't even keep it.. It's either slow genetics or a poorly prepared jar.. Yellow spots are an indication of a bacterial contamination... The yellow spots are metabolites and usually an indication that the mecylium is strong and is fighting off the bacteria.. But if it turns blue afterwards then that is probabily mold and not bruising.. Another thing... Gas exchange.. Don't confuse Gas Exchange with Fresh Air exchange... These are 2 different things... Jars should not have Fresh Air Exchange... Jars need Gas Exchange.. That means just alittle opening in the jars so gasses can escape but so not much air comes in.. Usually growers use the holes for syringes on the lids covered with tyvek or a filters of some kind... Now Fresh Air Exchange is when fresh air is provided to trigger pinning.. This is only done when beginning to fruit a substrate... When a jar goes bad it usually isn't because of Gas Exchange... It's usually because of a poorly prepared jar... Too much moisture (as you indicated) is often a big culprit of contaminations...