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Cloning in 12 /12 is not good. This is for flowering not rooting. Secondly did you let the clones damp off? or keep them wet.cloning in dirt you must let them dry out some to encourage deep rooting. Lots of people keep clones too wet resulting in weak root structure.
also, to add to octodiem's sound advice, you might think about throwing cuts in the fridge after taking them.... if you have trouble with soggy, droopy cut, I find this makes them a little more rugged......
RevolutionX
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Lady 420 said:
True dat, this is why they wilted i suspect, i have seen clones root 12/12 fine and dandy. But it really depends on the strain at hand. But i do think lady got it right.
Matter of preference but here is my method: forced is the way to go.
Prep mom dukes- feed plain water 1 week prior to cutting her, this will build up carbos and make her hungry. We dont want spoiled brats for clippings.
Cleanliness is next to godliness as they say. Listerine yo mouth, and if you can wear gloves(latex) i cant stress enough how important it is to be clean about this procedure. Use a new blade(razor) i hate scissors. I advise against scraping or spitting the cut as cervantes likes to do.
For a medium i like rockwool cubes. Soaked with pure ice cold water. Now and again i like to soak all my clips for one hour in a bag of ice water. I think you will be surprised at how much turgor this adds to the cut.
Each cube get four quick shakes to get the excess water out. Snap your wrist like as if your packing tobacco tin dip. All my technique is based on the color of the cube and weight of it. This will take practice, but you want a 70/30 ratio.
Also i use dip-n-grow..I dont like gels or powder. Then i ream each cube a bit with a clean toothpick, to ensure a small pocket of air is around the stem- also after inserted i tear a small chunk off the corner of the cube and stuff the very top of the hole. It is important the cut does not poke thru the bottom, this will help prevent contamination.
Into the rubbermaid bin, sealed with saran wrap* 4 ft flourescent on top of it.
100% humidity first 24 hrs. Then i just poke more holes for the next 4-5 days.
I like to check the weight of each cube to ensure its at the right air/water ratio. Use a scale-do the math, try to learn your strain. Do not feed or mist the cuts. Starve them! It is a natural defense in cannabis to survive by any means so lets use that to our advantage. When they do bust legs you need to give an immediate 5% dose of PHos. or they will go red in the stem. The forced method is proven and i have found my own tweaks to help me along. Hope this can help ya and Good luck my friend.
p.s.
If you can, oxygenate all a gallon of water prior to soaking the cubes with it. Use a bubbler stick and small airpump. Believe it or not- i do this to all my water in 5 gallon jugs with huge sticks and multiple bubblers. It does make a difference.
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another thing would be to give the cuts a haircut.... snip the tips of all the fan leaves, so as there will be less surface area perspiring thus keeping your clones nice and happy!! 
RevolutionX
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Right On berry coughin', if forgot to mention that step, and its pretty important in what you mentioned plus it helps encourage downward (root) growth by stopping the leaves from growing. Also i like to top them after the third day or so. to stop upward growth.
Cornerstone
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RevX,
What concentration of Dip'n Grow do you use? ( 5x, 10x, 20x)
Thanks for the insights.
Cornerstone
What concentration of Dip'n Grow do you use? ( 5x, 10x, 20x)
Thanks for the insights.
Cornerstone
ok, first, a little clarification. when i said i have a clone in 12/12, what i meant was that so far i have had one successful clone. i use a bubbler for cloning, and after rooting i planted it in soil, vegged it a while and now it is almost done flowering and is very stong.
so i guess i was trying to say that i have had it work out fine once, but can't seem to do it again.
my bubble cloner is in my veg cab. they look great as long as they are in it. i even had two vegging in a seperate bubbler so i could add nutes, i guess my first attempt at hydro. so far so good. except for the one i took out and planted, which is the one in the pic.
i can't see anything i did different than i did with the one now flowering.
so i guess i was trying to say that i have had it work out fine once, but can't seem to do it again.
my bubble cloner is in my veg cab. they look great as long as they are in it. i even had two vegging in a seperate bubbler so i could add nutes, i guess my first attempt at hydro. so far so good. except for the one i took out and planted, which is the one in the pic.
i can't see anything i did different than i did with the one now flowering.
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RevolutionX
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Cornerstone said:
no prob bro, it really depends on trial and error. But you can make a guestimate depending on how tough/thick your cuts are.
2 basic factors: is it a hollow stem type, or soft stemmed, or more rugged like blueberry strain which is a tad more hardwooded than others. Also- if they are small matchstick like cuts or monster, fatty, leader branch cuts. It will depend on how strong you make the solution, it will take a few runs to dial the strain in.
Also..."time" plays a key role. It depends on how long you leave the cut to soak. For example. if i had mostly bigger cuts and a few medium or small ones slipped into the bunch, then those smaller ones will get dipped for a quarter of the time (5 seconds) compared to 15 for the bigger cuts. So i compensate for each clone i take- depending on those factors.
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Its just the humidity drop, your clones are used to gettin everythin thru the leaves and all of a sudden the leaves are dried out constantly by your lights. Try mistin them 2 times a day or better still cut a 2lt bottle in half and put it over them, it wll keep humidity and let them root properly
i'm giving the 2 liter dome a go mac.
i wonder if i should plant the clones whole stem instead of just the rooted end, seems like my successful one i planted deeper.
i say this because i noticed the stem has a salt? deposit from the bubbling water and shrinks in circumference and feels hard- the part of the stem that was above the water and below the lid in the bubbler-.
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i wonder if i should plant the clones whole stem instead of just the rooted end, seems like my successful one i planted deeper.
i say this because i noticed the stem has a salt? deposit from the bubbling water and shrinks in circumference and feels hard- the part of the stem that was above the water and below the lid in the bubbler-.
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the sister to the one that died:
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