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Legalized marijuana: How will states prevent teen drug use?

yortbogey

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WASHINGTON — When the U.S. Justice Department promised not to prosecute illegal marijuana sales planned to begin in Washington state and Colorado next year, its top lawyers demanded that the states reciprocate with a pledge to keep the drug away from minors.

And officials in those pioneering pot states — where recreational use of marijuana was approved by voters in November — say they’re ready to comply.

But to legalization opponents, such promises are a pipe dream, destined to fail. They say it’s more likely the U.S. will unleash a new industry that will try hard to attract young users and turn them into “addicts.”

“Kids are going to be bombarded with this — they’re already getting the message that it’s acceptable,” said Kevin Sabet, a legalization opponent and director of the University of Florida Drug Policy Institute, who served as an adviser on drug issues to President Barack Obama and former Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

With polls showing support for legalizing marijuana on the rise, questions about how it would affect children remain.

The debate has intensified as momentum for legalization builds and as research shows increased marijuana use among youngsters. More teens are now smoking pot than tobacco, believing that it is safer.

Legalization backers say they’re just as eager to protect kids as opponents. And they say the public has no reason to worry if the drug is sold openly in stores instead of on the streets.

“Forcing marijuana sales into the underground market is the worst possible policy when it comes to protecting our young people,” said Mason Tvert, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, a pro-legalization group. “It is odd that those who wish to keep marijuana out of the hands of kids are fighting to keep it as uncontrolled as possible.”

Sabet is hoping that history will repeat itself and that the tide will turn against legalization, as it did in the late 1970s when baby boomers began questioning how the drug would affect kids.

“It’s really important to talk about the outcome for children,” he said. “This is not just about the 45-year-old otherwise responsible adult smoking weed once a week in their basement.”

Teens already are more likely to smoke pot than tobacco, according to a study released in December by the National Institute on Drug Abuse and the University of Michigan.

In 2012, 23 percent of high school seniors reported using marijuana in the past month, while 17 percent of the seniors said they had smoked tobacco. As recently as 2008, high school seniors were more likely to smoke cigarettes than marijuana.

The study reported similar findings in past-month use for students in younger grades. Seventeen percent of the 10th-graders had used marijuana, compared with 11 percent who had smoked cigarettes. Among eighth-graders, 6.5 percent had smoked pot, compared with 5 percent who had smoked tobacco.

“We are increasingly concerned that regular or daily use of marijuana is robbing many young people of their potential to achieve and excel in school or other aspects of life,” Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, said when the study was released.

As officials in Washington state and Colorado prepare to open the nation’s first retail pot shops, many acknowledge the tricky task awaiting them. But they appear determined both to allow adults to smoke pot for fun while trying to convince kids that it’s not a good idea.

“We are committed to countering the perception among young people that marijuana is less dangerous to them because it has been made legal for adult use,” Jack Finlaw, chief legal counsel for the Colorado governor, told the Senate Judiciary Committee this month.

Among other things, Colorado will ban pot advertising aimed at anyone under 21 and form a “marijuana educational oversight committee” to let minors know the drug could hinder their neurological development, Finlaw said.

In a letter to the Senate panel, Washington state Gov. Jay Inslee and Attorney General Bob Ferguson promised that all of the marijuana will be sold in child-resistant packaging and that none of the state’s 334 retail pot stores will be allowed within 1,000 feet of a school, park, playground or video arcade when they open June 1.

While the industry already has used billboard advertising, Washington state’s top consultant said the Justice Department should do more to discourage marketing.

“A retailer needs a modest sign on the outside of the building and a website listing what it has to sell,” said consultant Mark Kleiman, who’s also a professor of public policy at the University of California, Los Angeles. “There is no need to tolerate anything more than that.”

In written testimony to the committee, Kleiman said that cracking down on marketing “would do more to prevent increased drug abuse and increased use by minors than any single other step the federal government could take.”

Sabet predicted that attracting more young users will be necessary for the economic survival of the industry.

“This is about making sure that kids are hooked early, because that’s the only way that addictive industries make money,” he said. “They don’t make money off casual users, and in order to get addicts, you have to start people young.”

Sabet took special aim at Colorado, saying the state already has “de facto legalization for kids” with its medical marijuana system. He criticized the state’s dispensaries for engaging in mass advertising and for selling such items as “medical marijuana lollipops” and “pot tarts.” And he noted that studies already have found increased emergency room admissions for teens in Colorado who reported using someone else’s medical marijuana.

“When availability goes up, the kids’ access to it is going to go up, too,” Sabet said. “And I think we’re foolish to think there’s not going to be a black market.”

Sabet has emerged as one of the nation’s top legalization opponents after teaming up earlier this year with Patrick Kennedy, a former Democratic congressman from Rhode Island, to create a group called Project SAM (Smart Approaches to Marijuana). The group wants the Justice Department to block the states of Washington and Colorado from proceeding, with Kennedy warning that a failure to do so will lead to more drugged-driving accidents and school dropouts.

“These people have too much free time and they need to get a job,” said Steve Horowitz, who runs a medical marijuana dispensary in Denver but is hoping to make the switch to a full recreational operation.

His line of marijuana “edibles” includes “Mountain High suckers” that sell for $6 each. But Horowitz said all of his goods are aimed at adults. And he said no dispensary owner would risk his investment by selling to minors.

“If there’s no black market, then the only place you can buy it is in a store that spends $600,000 to be open,” he said. “You think anybody’s going to break the law and sell to somebody under 21?”

http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yh...d-marijuana-how-will-states-prevent-teen-drug
 

headband 707

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Let me just say for the record that NOTHING will stop teenage drug use LOL NOTHING!!! stay frosty headband 707
 

Easy7

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I would say it's largely up to the parents of the "endangered youth". I never had problems getting alcohol as a youth. Tobacco was as easy as driving through the drive through. Weed was purchased through friends. Somewhere along the line, adults broke laws. It's not going to be anything new.

The only issue I see with kids getting hold of legal cannabis is that it endangers the legality of the herb. I never had issues being stoned in highschool. I never felt cannabis anytime smoking it in junoir high. I just don't want to see all the bad publicity of kids toking. It really fuels the fires of those against legalizing. Probably best that the youth are using cannabis from legit sourches than something laced with PCP....which does happen.
 
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Pinnate

Teens already are more likely to smoke pot than tobacco, according to a study released in December by the National Institute on Drug Abuse and the University of Michigan.
'Teens doing something healthy for a change ─ the ongoing growth in acceptance will likely change all that . . .
Cannabis is changing <i>some</i> very young children's lives for the better!

"Charlotte's Web"
 
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Pinnate

Teens already are more likely to smoke pot than tobacco, according to a study released in December by the National Institute on Drug Abuse and the University of Michigan.
'Teens doing something healthy for a change ─ the ongoing growth in acceptance will likely change all that . . .
Cannabis is changing some very young children's lives for the better!

"Charlotte's Web"
 

soil margin

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Have we not already been dealing with this issue regarding alcohol for the past 80 years? Why should cannabis be treated any differently than alcohol when it comes to "protecting our youth"? If it's treated differently at all we should be more liberal when it comes to policing underage cannabis use, it's non-toxic and has medicinal value, unlike the huge majority of alcohol usage.
 

HidingInTheHaze

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It's safer than cigarettes, smokem if ya gottem.

They should put an age restriction on the medicine cabinet because those are the drugs they should be worried about.
 

ydijadoit

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Trying to look objectively at both sides of this one. My kids are 15 and 16. Honor roll, sometimes, sometimes not. They have as good a head on their shoulders as anyone can, at that age.
Do I want them using pot at this age? No. Did I use heavily at 15/16? Yes. Wow, I wonder if that makes my a hypocrite?
I don't want to see them drink, smoke cigarettes, chew Copenhagen, have sex too young, and possibly ruin their lives with a teen-parent baby. Nor do I want them huffing, or playing Russian Roulette with the myriad of pills out there, that seem to be the rage right now.
I don't want them stealing, lying, fighting, etc.
It's not so much the idea of them smoking weed a few times that bothers me. It's the subculture that goes with it, at that age. The kids that are rebels, like I was, usually turn out ok, but I know too many that are doing hard time, or are nothing more than a piece of marble I can go pay my respects to.
It's this group of kids, that can peer-pressure a weaker willed kid, to try something other than pot. "Dude, you know that bud was awesome. If you think that was good, try this pill. It's way cooler, and your parents cant smell it on you!"
I don't believe pot is the "Gateway", that we have all had rammed down our throats. The gateway for me, was depression, emotional pain, and a desperate desire to fit in. Cigarettes were the first, then alcohol, then weed. I chose that group of stoner kids to try and emulate, because I didn't have a clue who I was. Pot, alcohol, and cigarettes were part of the costume. Almost 30 years later, I am fighting addictions to alcohol and nicotine. I quit smoking weed a couple times a year, and it never really bothers me.
All that said, if my kids were to "stray" from the path they are on, pot is the ONLY thing on the list that wouldn't make me fear for their future. The sneaky, lying behavior that pot's illegality forces on us, would bother me greatly.
Damn, I'm rambling.
This is a tough one, in a lot of ways. Looking back on my life in my 40's, and trying to steer my kids around the potholes (haha, see what I did there?), isn't an easy task, as many of you also know.
One area I don't like, and that I think WILL hurt the cause, is edibles. There positively will be many cases splashed on the headlines, of little kids eating extremely potent edibles that their parents brought home.
There will be sobbing parents, serious looking reporters, and picture of kids laying in hospital beds.
We know they are not at risk of dying, but it damn sure looks bad.
If I had one suggestion, to keep it from the kids most at "risk" (I'm talking about the 3 year old who finds a "sucker"), it would be to mandate all edibles be uninviting to kids.
Maybe a Mr. Yuk face stamped on them, and made to look like broccoli, or something.
We as a society have mandated that tobacco companies stop marketing to kids. Remember Joe Camel? I personally think it has helped. I see a lot less kids smoking cigs than 25 years ago. It has become "Uncool", where I live. Good.
Sorry for the dis-jointed post, I am more than a little baked right now.
Regards.
 

Crusader Rabbit

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We can either keep kicking in doors, shooting the family dog, and sending parents to jail and the kids to foster homes ... or we can bring it out in the open and deal with it. Those are our two choices.
 
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longearedfriend

I read recently that there are 100 swat kick-ins daily in the us, read that while reading a story about an 8-mile (detroit) kick-in where they threw an old lady on the floor with no pity (who begged for mercy because she had a back injury)

they did the same to that old lady's mother, these people had no drugs whatsoever in the house

no wonder people are so violent in the us, these things have a repercussion on society

violence breeds violence

concerning the underage consumption ;

if we look at statistics in holland where cannabis is sold in coffeshops, their underage marijuana use is much much lower then that of the us
 

yesum

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Yes ^^ Holland is the example. The brain dead drug warrior parasite Sabet knows about Holland and ignores it. Hopes you will too.

He will be sucking the taxpayer dry till he dies over a damn plant if we let him.
 

Stoner4Life

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you can't keep it from teenagers, period.

a certain amount of under aged users will always exist, in fact the US General Accounting Office was forced to admit the D.A.R.E. program was a complete failure. No matter where the students entered the program by the time they graduated there was still the same amount of users as in the years prior to the program.

I looked for & found an article I'll share with you, this is only a portion of a paragraph but is not taken out of context at all to meet anyone's agenda.

The GAO report found that "In brief, the six long-term evaluations of the DARE elementary school curriculum that we reviewed found no significant differences in illicit drug use between students who received DARE in the fifth or sixth grade (the intervention group) and students who did not )the control group). Three of the evaluations reported that the control groups of students were provided other drug use prevention education. All of the evaluations suggested that DARE had no statistically significant long-term effect on preventing youth illicit drug use. Of the six evaluations we reviewed, five also reported on students' attitudes toward illicit drug use and resistance to peer pressure and found no significant differences between the intervention and control groups over the long term.

if the government & their Nazi tactics couldn't change/lower the amount of users graduating high schools how could any other entity hope or claim to do the same???

 

Jhhnn

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i hope they can make it more child resistant than a liquor cabinet.

Heh. The whole child resistant packaging thing makes me wanna puke. What we've seen here in Colorado wrt small children admitted to hospitals for cannabis "poisoning" is that they often got into their parents' or grandparents' edibles, so it's very important for people who use them to keep them away from small children. What 4 year old won't sneak a really pretty cookie if they get the chance? Putting retail cannabis in child proof containers addresses that not at all, and panders to illegitimate fear mongering.

Skoal, Copenhagen, Cigarettes, pipe tobacco & all forms of liquor don't come in child resistant packaging, at all.

Chewing tobacco is particularly dangerous to toddlers, because *they see Daddy put it in his mouth*, & because their sense of taste is poorly developed.

None of which has much to do with teen drug use, anyway. In a perverse way, all the lies about cannabis merely serve to make teens disbelieve the messages about other drugs. They & the vast majority of Americans know it's bullshit, and they think the rest of it might be bullshit, too, so they want to find out for themselves.

As has been said, the best way to deal with legal cannabis is to treat it the same as alcohol, and to tell the truth about it and about other drugs as well.

I honestly think that the legal age for cannabis in Colorado really should have been 18, but such was not to be.
 

Crusader Rabbit

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I remember reading a fascinating article in High Times in the mid seventies. The author had studied the history of illicit drug use in America and noticed a fifty year cyclic trend. Each cycle progressed through a period of growing public recreational use, followed by government suppression, then a generational period of low use, then the cycle repeated. He thought that this was explained by the degree of genuine firsthand knowledge the public had of the effects of the substances during each period.

With government suppression through persecution and propaganda, usage would go down for a generation, ... then first hand knowledge of the drug's negative effects upon one's life would be lost and the next generation would question the over the top lies of the gov's propaganda and usage would increase with people enjoying the positives of the substance and use would climb ... Then when the negative effects of long habitual use became apparent and younger siblings saw what was happening to their elder users, the youngsters decided it was not for them. This coincided with government crackdown and usage would decline again for a while until most young people didn't have first hand knowledge of effects and the cycle would repeat.

He used cocaine as an example and cited contemporary medical writers questioning whether the early accounts of perforated septums actually were accurate. Well it didn't take too much more time before people realized that the old stories of coke snorters blowing their nose and having gobs of meat come out were true.

With Holland as an example, having substance abuse more out in the open allows young people to see the actual truth, and allows them to make their own informed decisions. This is something the propagandists can never understand. How many times have you read someone say that they tried marijuana and realized that they'd been lied too, and so wondered what other drugs they'd been lied to about (to tragic consequence also).
 

headband 707

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LOL are you asking why should cannabis be treated differently then alcohol? If I had a teenage and the choices were alcohol or cannabis I would ABSOLUTELY pick cannabis as I have seen first hand all the dangers of alcohol and I have yet to see the same problems with potheads and no way do the parents get to decide what a teenager does . I loved my parents but I didn't listen to what they said lol..As a matter of fact if they said left I said right ..lol stay frosty headband 707


Have we not already been dealing with this issue regarding alcohol for the past 80 years? Why should cannabis be treated any differently than alcohol when it comes to "protecting our youth"? If it's treated differently at all we should be more liberal when it comes to policing underage cannabis use, it's non-toxic and has medicinal value, unlike the huge majority of alcohol usage.
 

Crusader Rabbit

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Now even I got confused this morning. LOL

HB707, I thought you were replying to BBCT above. But anyway you should re-read the second sentence in soil margin's post.


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MIway

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easy... lock all the kids up in state run child protective services, until the govt decides it is safe to let em out. teach em right & proper, its for their own good anyway. parents arent reliable role models anyway, it falls to the state to protect us from us. save the kids
 

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