LED 200W - 60x60 / 24"x24" - Power Plant / Fuel OG / Sensi Star - regular

[kordo]

Hi everybody,

Here is my current grow history.

9 february: 16 seeds dropped in water

In small box, under 65W of Samsung LM301H
10 february: 16 seeds in rockwool cubes installed in Nutriculture 20 PLANT PROPAGATOR sending water 5 minutes/hour
15 february: 1/5 from Ripper Seeds and 2/4 from Ethos Genetics not germinated ==> replaced by Ripper Seeds and Dutch Passion
18 february: 1 x Ripper Seedsseeds and 2 x Dutch Passion germinated join theirs friends in rockwool

Since 24 February, in bigger tent
Light: Lumatek ATS 200W Pro dimmed (50%)
Fertilizer: Flora Series Tripart since 28 february
Temperature: 22°c
Hygrometry: 60%

5 x Power Plant (Dutch Passion)
5 x Fuel OG (Ripper Seeds)
3 x Sensi Star (Paradise Seeds) - freebies
3 x Super Lemon Haze * Orange Velvet Underground (Ethos Genetics) - freebies

Target is to get a mother of each if possible and interesting.
Low chance to run another hydroponic bloom session before or during summer but few clones could populate my balcony in stealth mode.



See you later

 

[Creeperpark]

Thanks, friend for sharing your garden with us. I love your setup and looking forward to learning from you. You have some super genetics that I'm interested in. I'm going to ride with you on this one. Thanks

 

[kordo]

Hi everybody,

One week later. Nothing amazing.

Ethos seeds grow slooooowly.
Those that are tall enough have been pinched.
Light is now at 100%.




Thanks for reading

Bye.

 

[El Pollo Diablo]

Hey kordo thats an awesome hydrobox.

I'm also growing Hydro under a lumatec light. And I also got an ethos SLH Cross but they all turned out to be male^^

Low chance to run another hydroponic bloom session before or during summer but few clones could populate my balcony in stealth mode.

Why not? Under LED the Temp needs to be higher than HPS, so Summer Runs often turn out better, compared to winter runs. Specially with hydroton, I made the experience that they like it warmer, because of the cold medium.

Is this your first run with this setup?

 

[kordo]

Hey kordo thats an awesome hydrobox.

I'm also growing Hydro under a lumatec light. And I also got an ethos SLH Cross but they all turned out to be male^^

Why not? Under LED the Temp needs to be higher than HPS, so Summer Runs often turn out better, compared to winter runs. Specially with hydroton, I made the experience that they like it warmer, because of the cold medium.

Is this your first run with this setup?

Hi El Pollo Diablo and thanks for your message.

I don't really expect anything regarding this Ethos cross... It has been given by the shop.
I have been explained that it is a fine breeder but only 3/10 seeds has germinated so I am cautious.
If something female and interesting can be harvested, maybe I will keep it but until now I am not amazed about how it grows.

It is my first grow with this equipment but you are right, I could give a try during summer.
I am just afraid about how nutritive solution will react to temperature that we have here in southern Europe.
Thanks for your feedback about it.

Bye

 

[kordo]

Hi,

11 march: light has been switched to 12/12 and some plants are now looking like salads, it grows well



There is an important problem with condensation at the bottom of this box in the past days, Top of the little box which is under this one was full of water like a puddle...
I had an intractor 100m3/h at the end of this day.

13 march and today, I cut what was possible to cut and installed it ine the little box:

That's all for today.

 

[El Pollo Diablo]

There is an important problem with condensation at the bottom of this box in the past days, Top of the little box which is under this one was full of water like a puddle...
I had an intractor 100m3/h at the end of this day.

Hi there.

Thats because you don't have an exhaust air system. I just realised looking at your pictures. You really need to add an exhaust fan plus carbon Filter to your flowering box. Then you can connect the exhaust of your smaller box to the bigger one, premised the humidity is not to high then in the flowering tent. Otherwise you also need to add an exhaust system to the smaller box, too.
The humidity at hydro grows is always much higher than other grow methods. Especially in combination with led lights, because they don't really dry the air like HPS.
So I also suggest to add another recirculation fan for the flowering phase. Air movement is key to prevent mold but of course without an exhaust system that alone wont help you.
When you have water on your walls, that means your humidity is 90% and more. Most likely in the dark phase. Without an exhaust system you going to have really bad problems with mold and without a fitting Carbon Filter you going to have problems with smell of the plants.

Another thing: The small plants in the middle going to get overgrown by the bigger ones and won't produce any bud. I would remove the smallest ones (second row) to give the bigger ones more space and air circulation. You can keep them in your other box and use them for the next run.

Hope that helps

 

[kordo]

Hi there.

Thats because you don't have an exhaust air system. I just realised looking at your pictures. You really need to add an exhaust fan plus carbon Filter to your flowering box. Then you can connect the exhaust of your smaller box to the bigger one, premised the humidity is not to high then in the flowering tent. Otherwise you also need to add an exhaust system to the smaller box, too.
The humidity at hydro grows is always much higher than other grow methods. Especially in combination with led lights, because they don't really dry the air like HPS.
So I also suggest to add another recirculation fan for the flowering phase. Air movement is key to prevent mold but of course without an exhaust system that alone wont help you.
When you have water on your walls, that means your humidity is 90% and more. Most likely in the dark phase. Without an exhaust system you going to have really bad problems with mold and without a fitting Carbon Filter you going to have problems with smell of the plants.

Another thing: The small plants in the middle going to get overgrown by the bigger ones and won't produce any bud. I would remove the smallest ones (second row) to give the bigger ones more space and air circulation. You can keep them in your other box and use them for the next run.

Hope that helps

Hi El Pollo Diablo,

Actually there is an extractor 200m3/h in the blooming box on the top right of the picture but it is not easily visible as it is black.
Carbon filter will follow soon, I am a lazy guy and knowing that there is still no smell, I am not hurry.

This morning, there was no condensation so it seems that this problem could be handled with the intractor 100m3/h set yesterday. Anyway, I have added another fan for the plants...
I another flood occurs, I will try to add tubular heater.

This situation leads me to think that I will not run hydro in winter in this grow space.
At this moment, it is not really cold outside so I can let the windows opened to get wet air evacuated in order to avoid ruining this first grow session with this equipment but although weather is mild, it would be much too cold from november to february at least.

Regarding the small plants, you are right, they will hardly give sufficient production with these much fatter neighbours. There will probably be males that will leave us soon freeing some space.
If miraculously there was not, we will see.
As long as I get certified mothers for the next run, I will be satisfied. It will be better with clones in the future.

Thanks for your time and help, I appreciate.

 

[kordo]

Hi everybody,

I had to remove 3/5 Ripper Seeds Fuel OG males.

A bit disappointed. No luck.

As more space is now available, I moved the smallest Super Lemon Haze * Orange Velvet Underground (Ethos Genetics) and spread the others where it was possible.

I found a few holes or weird leaves as if there was maybe some kind of small slug was taking a walk in the box eating my plants.
By the way, it is still growing well and no condensation flood has occured.

Previous cuts have still no roots yet. As I cut lower branches, I added more in soil.


See you next time.

 

[kordo]

Plants have reached LEDs. May their streching be almost done .



Sensi Star seem to be all females, Power Plant maybe 2 and Fuel OG 1. There could be some more males but I will wait some more to be sure.

 

[El Pollo Diablo]

Hi El Pollo Diablo,

Actually there is an extractor 200m3/h in the blooming box on the top right of the picture but it is not easily visible as it is black.
Carbon filter will follow soon, I am a lazy guy and knowing that there is still no smell, I am not hurry.

Ok now I see it

This situation leads me to think that I will not run hydro in winter in this grow space.
At this moment, it is not really cold outside so I can let the windows opened to get wet air evacuated in order to avoid ruining this first grow session with this equipment but although weather is mild, it would be much too cold from november to february at least.

With just these two small boxes you keep the window closed in winter.

Regarding the small plants, you are right, they will hardly give sufficient production with these much fatter neighbours. There will probably be males that will leave us soon freeing some space.
If miraculously there was not, we will see.
As long as I get certified mothers for the next run, I will be satisfied. It will be better with clones in the future.

Oh I thought it's a fem run...

Thanks for your time and help, I appreciate.

You're very welcome. If you have some problems with your grow you can always ask.

Plants have reached LEDs. May their streching be almost done .

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Sensi Star seem to be all females, Power Plant maybe 2 and Fuel OG 1. There could be some more males but I will wait some more to be sure.

Awesome! Sensi star is a very good indica.

Its difficult to grow so many plants in such a small box. So when you only have 5-10 girls left, thats not even bad. They will get big enough fast to fill out the free space.

Which ferts do you use?

 

[kordo]

Actually, I get back to growing. I had to stop due to lack of space, really felt it like a loss.
All mothers lost.

I have never bought feminized seeds prefering selection in nearly 25 years ^^

Which ferts do you use?

Terra Aquatica Tripart (General Hydroponics FloraSeries)

Indeed, Sensi Start grows really well but I tought they would stay lower...
You're right, this box is really too short even if I tried to find the lowest reservoir for the nutrients. I'll have to grow differently next time.

Finally stretch was not finished and almost all plants have reached the light!


I think I will replace hanging system provided with this lumatek ats to free up a bit more space above it. And I will twist top of this greenery.
I've seen a male that will leave soon.

Have a nice day!

 

[kordo]

I removed one Super Lemon Haze * Orange Velvet Underground (Ethos Genetics) that was a male.
Lumatek has been raised, 12 plants are still in the box and most of them have been twisted.


They will now get flowering quantities of nutrients.

Regarding cuttings, one of the Power Plant (Dutch Passion) and Sensi Star (Paradise Seeds) have roots.

 

[kordo]

Hi,

It seems that I am not used to handled this tiny little space I can stop pulling this light up as plants don't stop going higher until now. Starting fifth week of 12/12, it should be almost done now...
Some leaves are damaged and maybe inflorescence but I could not see well...

I twisted their heads and removed some lowest leaves.

In spite of these little troubles, they are growing well actually...


Clones in aero system finally have toots, at least one of each female in that jungle.
I can't say for those in soil but there are not dead yet so...

 

[AintNew2Thisgrew2this]

Flower them bad girls

 

[kordo]

Could not let them burn, I found fried baby flowers, so I installed a piece of wire mesh

Another Super Lemon Haze * Orange Velvet Underground (Ethos Genetics) male has left.

Clones from the other box

 

[El Pollo Diablo]

Oh sheet that escalated quickly.

You really need to super crop them! I'm using a pen like device to press it against the stem. Then you can bend the stem carefully. If something brakes just put some tape around it. But with the pen method it rarery happens.

I would remove the under half of leafs and pinch out the shoots in this area. And also remove some of the big leafs at the top to give more light to the buds.

 

[kordo]

Hi everybody!

Growing is on the rails, about 10 liters of nutrients every day and a half. No more problem with stretch. Less work.

Oh sheet that escalated quickly.

Hell is this little box

If something brakes

"When" actually
They have been bent some days ago and some of them broke. I was not very careful while listening to one of my children but they still grow.
And due to beeing a shy guy, I didn't report

I would remove the under half of leafs and pinch out the shoots in this area. And also remove some of the big leafs at the top to give more light to the buds.

That's what I have done with more leaves and also moved branched to get them dispatched about everywhere in the grid

There are fewer burnt leaves and buds. They would not have produced anything good anyway, they were all dry.

Some pictures of future buds

Bye

 

[kordo]

Hi,

Life goes on, still near from burning but I can do nothing more. I trust in them

Food is the same but they drink less with less leaves.
Hygrometry has fallen from between 80-90% to 60-70%.
Few leaves can be found wet plants are sweating on each other almost at the grid



One of the Sensi Star buds


Bye

 

[early_bird]

I grow in 60x60 too for years, but only sativas.
I was seen your thread and thought - wow so many plants in that space, let´s see and learn how this works without chaos - seems it doesn´t, haha

Grows with less plants always worked better much for me. Every time i have a higher plant count it´s going to be stress, may even chaos, plants are less healthy, and everything is much harder to keep under control. For my sativa grows yield was also generally lower for me with more plants than 4, in the end i had the best results with 2-4 Plantjes