Leaves turning upward and starting to discolor

[iGro4Me]

Hey all,

I have some Sterling Widow 15 days old from seed in soil.

I just transplanted out of Solos today into a temporary home(milk jugs)

Medium

MG Organic Gardening Soil
Premier Peat
Blood Meal
Bone Meal
Dol. Lime
Plant-Tone

I just noticed today that the upper leaves started turning upward and had some brownish-yellowish (more brown) coloration, non-specific in pattern, kind of like in the middle of the leaf.

I did let her get slightly root-bound, but hadn't noticed any issues until I transplanted today. She doesn't get nutes yet

Pics:

This is what she looked like at 12:00 lunchtime today.Just the upturned leaves, no dsicoloration or very little.



Then it started to get slightly worse as I left her out there today (Note my artistic skills with M$Paint )



Another shot



Then back inside this evening






Obviously, i'm perplexed and any and all help/suggestions are appreciated.

Peace,

Gro

EDIT:

I did go through the sick plants guide with no luck. I'm hoping someone can guide me here.

 

[cellardweller]

fill out the form..
I'm betting hot soil may be one of the culprits..

 

[iGro4Me]

My apologies and thanks for the input CD

How long has this problem been going on? 1 day, maybe two...noticed during transplant today
What STRAIN are you growing? Sterling Widow F2's
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) Seed
What is the age of your plants? 16 days
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now? 16 days
How Tall are the plants? 6-8 inches inches
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? 16 days Veg
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) None
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) 1 Gallon/1 per
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) Peat/MG Garden Soil/Blood meal/Bone meal/D.Lime/Plant-tone/10-20% Perlite
What Nutrient's are you using? None
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding? None yet
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? N/A
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? around 6
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? General Hydroponics Liquid Concentrate
How often are you watering? Every 2-4 days
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? haven't fed yet
What size bulb are you using? 200+ watts CFL's/Veg
What is the distance to the canopy? 5 inches
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 52-57%
What is the canopy temperature? 77 f
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 224 Cfm
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ? Exhaust running constantly/Passive intake
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? slightly/oscillating
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? No
Is your water HARD or SOFT? Hard
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? Tap/Artisan well
Are you using water from a water softener? NO
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? NO
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? No
Are plant's infected with pest's? Noticed a couple of fungus gnats yesterday.

Thanks for any help in advance

Peace,

Gro

 

[B.C.]

hmm...

hmm...

Howdy Gro, did you use the same mix in the solo cups? Btw, there's no need ta add bone and blood meal when yer using Plant-Tone, it's already in there.

What ever it is, was caused by what was (or not) in the solo cups. Maybe being root bound? or not enough nutes in it. If yer mix isn't too rich now, I think they'll grow out of it. BC

 

[iGro4Me]

Howdy Gro, did you use the same mix in the solo cups? Btw, there's no need ta add bone and blood meal when yer using Plant-Tone, it's already in there.

What ever it is, was caused by what was (or not) in the solo cups. Maybe being root bound? or not enough nutes in it. If yer mix isn't too rich now, I think they'll grow out of it. BC

Thanks brother

The mix initially was straight MG POTTING soil with perlite and lime and I did have some pH (very high-9) and hot soil (burnt tips) which they seemed to recover from once my pH issue was squared away.

The one pictured had NO ISSUES with the first mix, but she was root-bound when I put her in that new mix mentioned above(peat/BM/BM/PT/Perl/DL).

Thanks again for chiming in....hopefully I'll get this figured

Here's what she looked like this morning after wrestling her out of the solo

 

[B.C.]

Yup, she was ready ta stretch her legs. I think along with bein rootbound, the nutes in the cup ( which wasn't much ) where prolly played out and she is/was starting ta use her resources, her leaves. I think it will grow out of it before too long. Soil is always kinda slow, so hang in there. Good luck, BC

 

[iGro4Me]

Yup, she was ready ta stretch her legs. I think along with bein rootbound, the nutes in the cup ( which wasn't much ) where prolly played out and she is/was starting ta use her resources, her leaves. I think it will grow out of it before too long. Soil is always kinda slow, so hang in there. Good luck, BC

I'm hoping that's just it.....she looks a little worse for the wear this morning and it's spreading to some other leaves.....I realize I just replanted yesterday, but I just want the best for my babies


Here's a pic from this morning






And as a reference, here are some lings 5 days old in the same mix




Thanks again for the input :wink:

Gro

 

[groady-ho]

hi IGRO, i had that happen once when i was using EXPERT soil from shultz..they grew out of it when i transplanted them in mg.and 2 this day been 5 yrs. now i am convinced it was that soil..your roots look very healtthy..all will be well...I know some don't like it but a drop or 2 of superthrive goes along way in helping plants recover..
good luck G

 

[iGro4Me]

hi IGRO, i had that happen once when i was using EXPERT soil from shultz..they grew out of it when i transplanted them in mg.and 2 this day been 5 yrs. now i am convinced it was that soil..your roots look very healtthy..all will be well...I know some don't like it but a drop or 2 of superthrive goes along way in helping plants recover..
good luck G

Yeah man.....I sure as hell hope so.

Thanks for the words Bro....and congrats you FUCKER

 

[iGro4Me]

Second day after transplant....

Second day after transplant....

It's been two(2) days since I transplanted my root-bound Sterling Widow and the affected leaves have really turned almost a coppery-gold in color






None of the new growth seems affected (fingers crossed)



BUT....I have noticed the start of the same issue on my #2 of the same variety.

#2 was just transplanted last night and wasn't AS rootbound as #1

I did check pH and dosed with Molass/Water for the cal/mag......hmmm

Anybody else have a clue ?


Thanks in advance

 

[Weedninja]

I would try bringing that pH up to the 6.3-6.8 range and try to keep it stable. If you're watering with hard water and using dolomite, you shouldn't ever have to add any other calcium source.

MG makes only 2 products that are of interest to cannabis growers- Perlite if no other source is available and seed starter mix. Everything else is shit.

The people who sold you the Premier peat may carry the Pro Mix line, which is very good.

 

[theHIGHlander]

am a big beliver in PH ^^^ agree (get that sorted and half that battle is won)....bring your PH up...you could slightly be locking out nutes (cal/mag)<<<<<thats what i was thinking looking at your pics of that leaf...

most things i read about MG is cap...the only good stuff thay have is the seeding soil. all the other stuff just burns the shit outa ya plants if not carfull with watering (to much water will release the nutes in the MG in 1 big blast)...

keep your eyes on new growth,,if thats cool then ya plant will come good...

keep it green
highlander

 

[iGro4Me]

@WeedNinja - Yes, my water is extremely hard (well) and I've been pH'ing it to just under 7 to counter-act the low soil mix.

An added benefit of the Blackstrap is it's loaded with good shit (Brer Rabbit).....I'm trying to pin down this pH thing....I'm using the pH drops method and it's tough to get an accurate reading.

@theHIGHlander - right on man.....no distributors for MILES & MILES, but it looks like travel is my only option to get what I really want for my mix.

Any suggestions on testing soil pH guys ?

Thanks again for your input.

Peace,
Gro

 

[LolaGal]

Just testing your runoff pH will be enough Gro. 6.8 makes mine happy. I use MG soil.

I don't know about anybody else's experience, but my Widows did the same thing.

They tended to look pretty ratty for a while when younger with the leaf problems like you have.

I think it is strain related myself. Others have had the same experience as me.

They will grow out of it. Cheer up....

 

[iGro4Me]

Just testing your runoff pH will be enough Gro. 6.8 makes mine happy. I use MG soil.

I don't know about anybody else's experience, but my Widows did the same thing.

They tended to look pretty ratty for a while when younger with the leaf problems like you have.

I think it is strain related myself. Others have had the same experience as me.

They will grow out of it. Cheer up....

I can always count on my girl

I only had a limited amount of beans with the ssh x ww so I'm slightly aprehensive with them at the moment....

The waiting is the hardest part

I need a cabin down south :wink:

 

[B.C.]

The waiting is the hardest part

Hang in there! lol I think ya gottem outta those cups just in time. They'll pull through........ I would -strongly- suggest using compost or worm castings at 20-25% of yer mix next time. You won't -ever- have ta worry about PH again. The humus not only buffers the PH, but it also allows a plant ta feed on more and bigger cations and compounds of cations than it could before. That's just a few things it does, the list goes on... Bottom line, it makes plants very happy and vigorous. Carefree growin man! lol Just a thought. Good luck! BC

 

[iGro4Me]

Hang in there! lol I think ya gottem outta those cups just in time. They'll pull through........ I would -strongly- suggest using compost or worm castings at 20-25% of yer mix next time. You won't -ever- have ta worry about PH again. The humus not only buffers the PH, but it also allows a plant ta feed on more and bigger cations and compounds of cations than it could before. That's just a few things it does, the list goes on... Bottom line, it makes plants very happy and vigorous. Carefree growin man! lol Just a thought. Good luck! BC

Right on Bro...

Lesson learned

On to the next hurdle