Leafs Rolling Upwards

[PeterWB]

I've been reading so many posts on leaf curling and am at a loss to determine what's going on with my plants. Around day 25 of flower the top half of my plant leaves roll upwards with some completely closed. I am growing in promix using 3 gallon pots. I use Botanicare flower nutrients for soil with ro water, cal mag and ph adjusted to 6.5 I water every four days on a flood to drain basis. I started doing this to ensure that salts would be flushed. Each pot gets about 2 gallons of my nutrient mix with about half flowing out onto the floor. My heat is kept at 72 degrees and my humidity ranges around 50%.

Today I will take some pictures and will test runoff with 2 gallons of water with no nutrients and a ph of 7.2

I've checked for bugs and can't see evidence of them. I'm assuming some type of lock out but also wondering if my watering approach is flawed.

All opinions welcome.

 

[aridbud]

Overwatering....taco shaped leaves.

 

[philberg]

Does your leaves look like this, if they do, you have broad mites.

http://www.thenug.com/galleries/broad-mites

 

[Avinash.miles]

pics of your plants would help
sometimes i get leaf taco from dry dry air ( i live in a very arid region)

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

every 4 days in 3 gallon pots in promix? unless the plants are 6 inches tall you are probably underwatering. promix should never look dry or dry out like soil, but plants in promix prefer to go from wet to damp.

 

[Growdoc]

what do u use to test ur PH? how big/old are the plants? what stage? temps? pls a but more info

 

[PeterWB]

After reading the replies and checking a few articles, it most likely is a broad mite infestation. I will however post a picture soon. Any recommendations on dealing with broad mites on flowering plants?

Thanks

 

[troutman]

Could be a combination of too much heat, low humidity or both.

 

[philberg]

Did you check out the link I left in my previous reply?
There are 2 products that should work in flower. They
are Mightywash and Nukem. They kill on contact and
they kill the eggs and broad mites. You apply them every 3
days. Broad mites attack the new growth on a plant and
you need to apply the insecticide on both sides of the plant.

 

[philberg]

Did you check out the link I left in my previous reply?
There are 2 products that should work in flower. They
are Mightywash and Nukem. They kill on contact and
they kill the eggs and broad mites. You apply them every 3
days. Broad mites attack the new growth on a plant and
you need to apply the insecticide on both sides of the plant.

Broad mites attack the new growth on a plant and
you need to apply the insecticide on both sides of the leaf.

 

[al70]

Broad Mites or Russet Mites
by Nebula Haze

Broad mites and hemp russet mites on your cannabis leaves are so tiny they are practically impossible to spot with the naked eye, and still very difficult to see under a microscope. Broad mites are more common than hemp russet mites but the symptoms and treatment are pretty much the same for both.

With broad mites or russet mites the new growth may be twisted, blistered and "wet" looking. If your plant is flowering the buds may turn brown and die. These broad mite damage pics were taken by Hosttrevor (thank you!).

Example of leaf damage from broad mites or russet mites

Edges turn up as if the plant is suffering from heat stress, but with broad or russet mites the leaves take on a glossy, almost plastic-like appearance. Eventually affected leaves turn yellow or bronze and die.

The glossy blistered leaves of a cannabis plant that has been affected by broad mites or russet mites

The main way to spot an infestation is the damage they leave behind because usually the mites themselves are too small to see. They like to hang out inside crevices of leaves and in your buds themselves, and lay eggs inside the plant so you don't see them.

Sometimes the symptoms can be confused for tobacco mosaic virus. Leaf symptoms from broad or russet mites are also commonly misdiagnosed as overwatering, a nutrient deficiency or heat damage.

One of the biggest reasons broad mites and russet mites can be so difficult to diagnose is you rarely see any signs of bugs, and you don't see bites on the leaves. For many people, they don't even realize a bug infestation is happening.

Example of the blistered leaves, and "plastic" wet appearance that appears on cannabis plants with broad mites or russet mitesThis marijuana plant has been infested with broad mites or russet mites, as a result the new growth is twisted and unhealthy

Sometimes top leaves droop. In this pic you can see that part of the droopy leaves are getting that blistered, wet appearance from broad mites.

The top of this marijuana plant is droopy because it's been attacked by broad or russet mites. You can see the edges of the leaves are starting to get glossy

Sometimes one of the main symptoms is the newest growth is coming in twisted

Example of twisted new growth caused by cannabis broad mites

The following marijuana plant has been treated for broad mites and is starting to recover. You can see the newest growth looks matte and healthy, while the damaged leaves from before still look glossy and blistered.

This plant was infested by broad mites, but after being treated it's starting to recover. You can see that the newest growth is coming in healthy

It's great if your plant is starting to look healthy again, but even if your plant appears to be recovering, don't stop on weekly treatments for at least a few weeks. The broad mites could still be there waiting to take over the plant again! They are the masters of hiding and waiting.

Unfortunately, broad mites are probably one of the hardest marijuana pests to get rid of. They lay their eggs inside the plant which makes it very difficult to kill their eggs!

Video of an extreme closeup showing broad mites on a cannabis plant



Ewwww! Learn how to get rid of broad and russet mites for good!


Solution: How to Get Rid of Broad Mites On Cannabis

Once you've actually identified that the bugs you have on your cannabis are broad mites, it's time to get rid of them! When it comes to broad or russet mites, a lot of the "standard" miticides are not as effective and you'll notice these particular mites aren't listed on the labels.

Broad mites can be one of the toughest marijuana pests to get rid of, but it can be done if you stay vigilant!

Treat often - You may have to treat several times a week or even daily if you have a terrible infestation that won't go away. This can be very difficult on your plants.
Spray Before Lights Go Out - Whenever treating plants with a spray, do it before the lights go off so that your plant is less likely to get burned!
Read Instructions - Make sure to read the full instructions of each bottle and follow them when treating your plants. You will save yourself a lot of big headaches!
Repeat treatments weeky for 5 more weeks after mites are gone - After you think broad or russet mites are completely gone, don't stop! Treat your plant with a different treatment at least once a week for 5 additional weeks. If you don't completely erradicate them they'll come back with a vengence and be even more resistant to whatever you throw at them.

​1.) Neem Oil

Neem Oil will leave an unpleasant taste/smell on buds when used to treat flowering plants, so again, don't let this stuff get near your buds! There's also some evidence Neem oil may be harmful to humans so use with care! That being said, Neem oil is an all-natural remedy that is very effective against many different types of bugs and mold, including broad mites.

Neem oil can be rough on your plants so you don't want to use it more often than you have to because your plants will suffer. However, if you get desparate treating plants daily with Neem oil is very effective at killing broad mites when nothing seems to be working.

You will need a mister (also called a "One-Hand Pressure Sprayer") to spray all the leaves evenly, since neem oil and water can separate easily.

Get Neem Oil Extract on Amazon.com!A One-Hand Pressure Sprayer is perfect for misting plants



2.) Essentria IC3

Essentria IC3 Insecticide is a mix of various horticultural oils that is organic and safe for humans. It is often marketed as a "bed bug killer" but it can be effective against broad mites or russet mites when the plants are treated regularly. Unfortunately it only stays effective on the plant for about 8 hours so you will want to either apply this daily or combine with other options. You will need a mister (also called a "One-Hand Pressure Sprayer") to spray all the leaves evenly.

Get Essentria IC3 insecticide on Amazon.com - this can be a tool in the fight against broad mites or A One-Hand Pressure Sprayer is perfect for misting plants


3.) Insecticidal soaps

Get Inseticidal soap to kill cannabis aphids - available on Amazon.com!

Fatty acid salts or insecticidal soaps can be a good choice against broad mites. They weaken the outer shell of broad mites but are safe to use on your plants and they don't leave much of a residue which could kill beneficial bugs in your garden.

With soaps, just like horticultural oils, coverage is very important as it does not stay on your plant for long, so follow-up applications may be necessary. Although this is considered safe, avoid getting any on your buds!

This will not get rid of broad mites on its own, but it is less harsh on your plants than some of the other options and so it can be a great way to supplement the other treatments you're doing.


4.) Mighty Wash

Mighty Wash is a time-tested way to rid your grow room of broad mites. Spray plants 15 minutes before lights out, making sure to drench the foliage under the leaves as well as the top of your soil. You want to use a spray bottle or mister. Use a fan to blow on your leaves to help things dry. Treat your room more than once, even if you believe the broad mites are gone.

Use Mighty Wash with a One-Handed Power Sprayer for the best results!

Mighty Wash kills marijuana spider mitesA One-Hand Pressure Sprayer is perfect for misting plants



5.) Avid

Avid miticide is strong stuff with harsh chemicals, and is incredibly expensive, but it can sometimes do the job when nothing else is working. This is a systemic insecticide, which means it works by infiltrating the inside of plant tissue and killing bugs that way. Because of that it should NOT be using in the flowering stage (you don't want this stuff inside your buds). However, many growers report that this is the only thing that consistently works for them. Always use Avid as directed and only as a last resort! You will need a mister (also called a "One-Hand Pressure Sprayer") to spray all the leaves evenly.

Don't use this product more than once or twice in a row or your mites may become resistant. This should stay in your plant's system for several weeks. If you're going to be using systemic insecticides, switch back and forth between this and another one like Forbid. Make sure to follow the instructions!

Avid miticide kills broad mites and russet mites on your cannabis plants,, but it's expensive and potentially dangerous! Use only as a last resort!A One-Hand Pressure Sprayer is perfect for misting plants


6.) Forbid

Forbid miticide is sort of like Avid in that it is made of strong stuff with harsh chemicals and is also expensive. This is a systemic insecticide, which means it works by infiltrating the inside of plant tissue and killing bugs that way. Because of that it should NOT be using in the flowering stage (you don't want this stuff inside your buds). However, many growers report that this can be the only thing that consistently works for them. Always use Forbid as directed and only as a last resort! You will need a mister (also called a "One-Hand Pressure Sprayer") to spray all the leaves evenly.

Don't use this product more than once or twice in a row or your mites may become resistant. This should stay in your plant's system for several weeks. If you're going to be using systemic insecticides, switch back and forth between this and another one like Avid. Make sure to follow the instructions!

 

[PeterWB]

Did you check out the link I left in my previous reply?
There are 2 products that should work in flower. They
are Mightywash and Nukem. They kill on contact and
they kill the eggs and broad mites. You apply them every 3
days. Broad mites attack the new growth on a plant and
you need to apply the insecticide on both sides of the plant.

I use mighty wash on a regular basis.

 

[PeterWB]

I am also growing some beefsteak tomatoes in the same room. Noticed this morning that I have blossom end rot on the fruit. This is indicative of a calcium deficiency. Wondering if I have a calcium lockout due to my watering on a flood to drain every four days with nutes. Photos posting shortly.

 

[PeterWB]

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[PeterWB]

Also my room is pretty consistent from a heat and humidity perspective. Room temp is around 75 while the lights are on and 65 when not. Humidity ranges from 50% to 60%. Sometimes a little hihger on the days I water. Not sure if you can see from images but it's the lastter stages of new growth that curls the most.

 

[PeterWB]

Going with idea that I have a build up of nitrogen that is locking out calcium. Gonna test this theory by watering (flood to drain) with straight RO water and cal mag for my plants that are hitting day 30 in flower. It may not be this and I will maintain a bug killing strategy as well. I should know in a few days if new growth responds to the flush.

 

[Buddler]

Broad Mites or Russet Mites
by Nebula Haze

Broad mites and hemp russet mites on your cannabis leaves are so tiny they are practically impossible to spot with the naked eye, and still very difficult to see under a microscope. Broad mites are more common than hemp russet mites but the symptoms and treatment are pretty much the same for both.

With broad mites or russet mites the new growth may be twisted, blistered and "wet" looking. If your plant is flowering the buds may turn brown and die. These broad mite damage pics were taken by Hosttrevor (thank you!).

Example of leaf damage from broad mites or russet mites

Edges turn up as if the plant is suffering from heat stress, but with broad or russet mites the leaves take on a glossy, almost plastic-like appearance. Eventually affected leaves turn yellow or bronze and die.

The glossy blistered leaves of a cannabis plant that has been affected by broad mites or russet mites

The main way to spot an infestation is the damage they leave behind because usually the mites themselves are too small to see. They like to hang out inside crevices of leaves and in your buds themselves, and lay eggs inside the plant so you don't see them.

Sometimes the symptoms can be confused for tobacco mosaic virus. Leaf symptoms from broad or russet mites are also commonly misdiagnosed as overwatering, a nutrient deficiency or heat damage.

One of the biggest reasons broad mites and russet mites can be so difficult to diagnose is you rarely see any signs of bugs, and you don't see bites on the leaves. For many people, they don't even realize a bug infestation is happening.

Example of the blistered leaves, and "plastic" wet appearance that appears on cannabis plants with broad mites or russet mitesThis marijuana plant has been infested with broad mites or russet mites, as a result the new growth is twisted and unhealthy

Sometimes top leaves droop. In this pic you can see that part of the droopy leaves are getting that blistered, wet appearance from broad mites.

The top of this marijuana plant is droopy because it's been attacked by broad or russet mites. You can see the edges of the leaves are starting to get glossy

Sometimes one of the main symptoms is the newest growth is coming in twisted

Example of twisted new growth caused by cannabis broad mites

The following marijuana plant has been treated for broad mites and is starting to recover. You can see the newest growth looks matte and healthy, while the damaged leaves from before still look glossy and blistered.

This plant was infested by broad mites, but after being treated it's starting to recover. You can see that the newest growth is coming in healthy

It's great if your plant is starting to look healthy again, but even if your plant appears to be recovering, don't stop on weekly treatments for at least a few weeks. The broad mites could still be there waiting to take over the plant again! They are the masters of hiding and waiting.

Unfortunately, broad mites are probably one of the hardest marijuana pests to get rid of. They lay their eggs inside the plant which makes it very difficult to kill their eggs!

Video of an extreme closeup showing broad mites on a cannabis plant



Ewwww! Learn how to get rid of broad and russet mites for good!


Solution: How to Get Rid of Broad Mites On Cannabis

Once you've actually identified that the bugs you have on your cannabis are broad mites, it's time to get rid of them! When it comes to broad or russet mites, a lot of the "standard" miticides are not as effective and you'll notice these particular mites aren't listed on the labels.

Broad mites can be one of the toughest marijuana pests to get rid of, but it can be done if you stay vigilant!

Treat often - You may have to treat several times a week or even daily if you have a terrible infestation that won't go away. This can be very difficult on your plants.
Spray Before Lights Go Out - Whenever treating plants with a spray, do it before the lights go off so that your plant is less likely to get burned!
Read Instructions - Make sure to read the full instructions of each bottle and follow them when treating your plants. You will save yourself a lot of big headaches!
Repeat treatments weeky for 5 more weeks after mites are gone - After you think broad or russet mites are completely gone, don't stop! Treat your plant with a different treatment at least once a week for 5 additional weeks. If you don't completely erradicate them they'll come back with a vengence and be even more resistant to whatever you throw at them.

​1.) Neem Oil

Neem Oil will leave an unpleasant taste/smell on buds when used to treat flowering plants, so again, don't let this stuff get near your buds! There's also some evidence Neem oil may be harmful to humans so use with care! That being said, Neem oil is an all-natural remedy that is very effective against many different types of bugs and mold, including broad mites.

Neem oil can be rough on your plants so you don't want to use it more often than you have to because your plants will suffer. However, if you get desparate treating plants daily with Neem oil is very effective at killing broad mites when nothing seems to be working.

You will need a mister (also called a "One-Hand Pressure Sprayer") to spray all the leaves evenly, since neem oil and water can separate easily.

Get Neem Oil Extract on Amazon.com!A One-Hand Pressure Sprayer is perfect for misting plants



2.) Essentria IC3

Essentria IC3 Insecticide is a mix of various horticultural oils that is organic and safe for humans. It is often marketed as a "bed bug killer" but it can be effective against broad mites or russet mites when the plants are treated regularly. Unfortunately it only stays effective on the plant for about 8 hours so you will want to either apply this daily or combine with other options. You will need a mister (also called a "One-Hand Pressure Sprayer") to spray all the leaves evenly.

Get Essentria IC3 insecticide on Amazon.com - this can be a tool in the fight against broad mites or A One-Hand Pressure Sprayer is perfect for misting plants


3.) Insecticidal soaps

Get Inseticidal soap to kill cannabis aphids - available on Amazon.com!

Fatty acid salts or insecticidal soaps can be a good choice against broad mites. They weaken the outer shell of broad mites but are safe to use on your plants and they don't leave much of a residue which could kill beneficial bugs in your garden.

With soaps, just like horticultural oils, coverage is very important as it does not stay on your plant for long, so follow-up applications may be necessary. Although this is considered safe, avoid getting any on your buds!

This will not get rid of broad mites on its own, but it is less harsh on your plants than some of the other options and so it can be a great way to supplement the other treatments you're doing.


4.) Mighty Wash

Mighty Wash is a time-tested way to rid your grow room of broad mites. Spray plants 15 minutes before lights out, making sure to drench the foliage under the leaves as well as the top of your soil. You want to use a spray bottle or mister. Use a fan to blow on your leaves to help things dry. Treat your room more than once, even if you believe the broad mites are gone.

Use Mighty Wash with a One-Handed Power Sprayer for the best results!

Mighty Wash kills marijuana spider mitesA One-Hand Pressure Sprayer is perfect for misting plants



5.) Avid

Avid miticide is strong stuff with harsh chemicals, and is incredibly expensive, but it can sometimes do the job when nothing else is working. This is a systemic insecticide, which means it works by infiltrating the inside of plant tissue and killing bugs that way. Because of that it should NOT be using in the flowering stage (you don't want this stuff inside your buds). However, many growers report that this is the only thing that consistently works for them. Always use Avid as directed and only as a last resort! You will need a mister (also called a "One-Hand Pressure Sprayer") to spray all the leaves evenly.

Don't use this product more than once or twice in a row or your mites may become resistant. This should stay in your plant's system for several weeks. If you're going to be using systemic insecticides, switch back and forth between this and another one like Forbid. Make sure to follow the instructions!

Avid miticide kills broad mites and russet mites on your cannabis plants,, but it's expensive and potentially dangerous! Use only as a last resort!A One-Hand Pressure Sprayer is perfect for misting plants


6.) Forbid

Forbid miticide is sort of like Avid in that it is made of strong stuff with harsh chemicals and is also expensive. This is a systemic insecticide, which means it works by infiltrating the inside of plant tissue and killing bugs that way. Because of that it should NOT be using in the flowering stage (you don't want this stuff inside your buds). However, many growers report that this can be the only thing that consistently works for them. Always use Forbid as directed and only as a last resort! You will need a mister (also called a "One-Hand Pressure Sprayer") to spray all the leaves evenly.

Don't use this product more than once or twice in a row or your mites may become resistant. This should stay in your plant's system for several weeks. If you're going to be using systemic insecticides, switch back and forth between this and another one like Avid. Make sure to follow the instructions!

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