Leaf Curling: An elusion to problems?

[immaculate]

So we're about 10 days in. A couple of the plants are experiencing leaf curling. They are fed with tap water only which has not been tested. A quick search has revealed that it could be a number of problems. I just want to make sure this isn't dire. Anyway, here are the babies:

 

[kushism]

you are right, could be alot of things.. but i don;t think it is too dire.. start checking your ph.. if you can figure out what is causing it, and remedy it, there are good chances your plants will recover..

 

[exploziv]

you should say some more info on the plants and growing conditions to receive help..

there's a guideline here: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688

good luck!

 

[immaculate]

Thanks for the link.

So it actually looks like a copper deficiency.

The soil mix is an organic mix:

.10 -.05-.05

Nitrogen-Phosphate-Potassium

Thinking about trying to flush with tap water but I don't really know.

 

[B.C.]

There off to a good start, there's no need to do anything. BC

 

[HeadyPete]

That slight leaf twist indicates ph issues. Your tap water is most likely too high in ph.

 

[immaculate]

Yeah, it seems to be getting worse and affecting the plant that wasn't curled yet.

What water is best to flush with?

 

[HeadyPete]

Well tap is fine as long as it isn't harder than 200ppm and you should adjust the ph to 6.3 ideally. Slowly bring the ph down over many waterings until you are at 6.3. Your ph is gonna be around 7 or higher for sure.

You need ph test gear.

 

[B.C.]

Thanks for the link.

So it actually looks like a copper deficiency.

The soil mix is an organic mix:

.10 -.05-.05

Nitrogen-Phosphate-Potassium

Thinking about trying to flush with tap water but I don't really know.

One picture is outta focus so it's hard to tell about it, but the other looks great, color-wise.
I'm not sure why you would want to flush? Yer not gonna flush anything out of an organic soil mix, it's all part of the soil. All it's gonna do is stress em for no reason. Somethin else to keep in mind about organic soil is that if you have enough humus or humates in yer soil from worm castings or compost the PH of the water and nutes going in is not an issue. This is organics 101, and why soil is so forgiving. If for what ever reason you may doubt it, do a search and see if some of the best organic growers on this site PH their water. I've grown for -years- without a PH pen myself, you don't need it!

Besides, these lil plants are feeding jus fine. No signs of yellowing, eh? If PH was an issue they wouldn't be as green as they are because they couldn't feed properly. ( maybe I jus can't see it? )

Imo, I wouldn't do anything untill I saw a deficiency of some sort. Chances are, unless you have used a product with hormones in it, it's the genetics and they'll grow out of it. I've had many do it. I've also grown alot of mutants that never did. Anyway, for what it's worth, that's my 2 cents. Good luck... BC

 

[immaculate]

I really appreciate the words B.C. The color is remaining solid. I watered them at the end of the light period yesterday so they sat wet all night. Color still looks fine but it's just the droopiness/curling that startled me. I've seen photo sequences of the growth process and some drooping throughout seems to be normal but still I didn't really know because I can't ever remember seeing drooping like this on any plant indoor or outdoor. Also I do have a fan blowing an almost passive breeze on the plants (really to keep temps in the cab down...I'll have my intake installed today), but I don't think it's enough to stress them that much...

...but as I look at them today, I think that it could be the fan constantly blowing on the leaves that could have caused the curling. I'll get the intake installed today and see if they don't grow straighter the following couple of days. Thanks again.

 

[cork144]

go into a store, some bottled water states the PH of the water, in store i can buy 6.2ph spring water, which infact is what i do.

 

[Citizen024]

Fertilize?

Fertilize?

I'd agree with the ph statements. If your using hard water it's gonna drive your soil ph up. Your soil mix, or what brand you bought might be revealing as well. Soil is far from equal brand to brand or mix to mix.

I am curious:

Have you fed them at all? How old are they? Your soil has next to no nutrient value, and a light feeding of properly ph'd fertilizer might just green them up. If that is the fertilizer that comes with the soil, trust me, it doesn't last long at all, your plants will chow down, and so will the microherd in your soil. There is also a ? of the availablity of the nutrients. Also your soil looks like it might be a bit "heavy" (it appears to not have perlite, vermiculite, or other soil additives that make it lighter and airy). This could keep it too damp, or not allow a lot of O2 to your roots. Roots need O2. How much do you let it dry between waterings? Are you getting run off when you water (you should have about 15-30% in my opinion)?

Any simple veg formula should cut it- chemical or organic as long as it is complete and available.

I bet they green right up.

 

[Citizen024]

Actually upon second look, I think your doing okay, seen plenty of seeds do that. Hold off on a fert for maybe 3-7 days longer, then add very light amounts. However- start checking your watering and run off ph now, and keep your ph balanced. It's not that hard, you can usually find a fertilizer or additive of some sort to help you do it. For example; Earth Juice Catalyst is a great cheap organic additive you can use at every watering. Happens to be it's acidic, so you can figure out the right amount to lower the ph of your water to your desired level to help your soil out; and your plant will love you for the additive too. Soil will do what it does pretty much though, but at least you can control whats going in. Be sure to get run off with your waterings! Otherwise you can build up salts and hard water minerals.

 

[HeadyPete]

Definitely get the fan off the plants directly, they will curl up for sure. Indirect breeze only.

 

[joluvs2gro]

If using tap water just let it sit over night so the chlorine will evaporate out of it. I do this and the ph of my water will go from 12 down to 6.2 from sitting out for 24 hours. The leaf twisting could be a trait of the strain you're running, it doesn't look that bad to me.

 

[immaculate]

If using tap water just let it sit over night so the chlorine will evaporate out of it. I do this and the ph of my water will go from 12 down to 6.2 from sitting out for 24 hours. The leaf twisting could be a trait of the strain you're running, it doesn't look that bad to me.

Damn, thanks for this tip!

Will start doing that. Just watered them too, shit.

The noticeable twisting has stopped since the direct breeze...


Also, can anyone tell me if a nitrogen def in veg can cause a plant to grow straight up in the sense that the fan leaves never lay out flat but point up...?

 

[B.C.]

Post a picture so we're not jus guessing and giving advice that may hurt more than help. BC