Lazyman's 16KW Headbanger

[overmyhead]

Lazyman, I am getting ready to set up blumats off the kent systems barbs and I've no experience in irrigation set ups aside from the blumat patio kit I have in one tent, my question is, since they're smaller than traditional emiters and tubing, what do I use to punch the holes? Thanks!

 

[Lazyman]

I used a 3/32" drill bit (wrapped with tape a 1/4" up the bit, so it won't punch through the far side of the hose) Only takes a second, drill it, pop the tee in, NEXT!

 

[overmyhead]

Thanks for that quick reply that's what I was thinking. I'm using 24x36x8 deep masonry tubs and was thinking 4 sensors with three emitters each tub to try and keep it even. I've got a drain system under the tubs so I can handwater outside with the occasional runoff. Thanks again, and yes, I edited out a d.a. question.

 

[SkizOflan]

Lazy,

That's a good questions he's asking about the elevation of the bulbs - i'm assuming since you have a light meter you have found the sweet spots, but i'd still like to hear your reasoning. What kind of light meter do you use (is there a best?) and how beneficial is it in your garden?

Take care.

 

[Lazyman]

Hey gang, so the light bulbs: yeah the middle of the bulb is for sure the brightest hung vert, I have a cheapo light meter, anything that measures PAR is about $1200 and I'm just not that interested. Putting the bulbs below the top of the canopy didn't work well, the tops slowed down and the overlap between lights plummeted. With high bulbs (and 5' tall plants) I get lots of light overlap so more plants get more light from more angles. Even plants that are nowhere near a bulb get around 4-5K lumens due to all the "ambient" light. I just use the meter to make sure the entire canopy is getting about the same amount of light.

It is interesting to note that the plants in the middle of the room (between 2 chains of lights) that aren't right up against a bulb are some of the biggest and best plants. This alone made me decide to toss my plans to bump this grow to 20KW flower, the extra light just isn't needed apparently. The veg room could use another K or two though.

 

[Flying High]

I think branding will become a critical part of this industry in the future; I keep comparing to wine. With that said, until laws are on our side, branding would create high levels of risk. I don't think we should make law enforcement's job any easier, they are always searching for evidence of commercial sales; prepackaged and labeled product would be a cop's wet dream...

Blumats in a vertical "octogon-like" set-up using Smart Pots and coco seems to be calling my name; but like you mentioned Lazy, the reservoir would need to be above the top...
So what about using a pressure tank/bladder commonly used for well water(with appropriate pressure regulator)? I noticed Uncle FREEDOM in the vertical section is using pressure tanks with success in an aero system here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=187688

Awesome work Lazy!!!! You have motivated me to get on the Blumats. Now I think I am switching to vertical; thank you for the inspiration.

H

 

[CreQ]

thanks for clearing things up lazyman... would a strong pump with a timer work instead of using an elevated reservoir as pressure for the Blumats?

flying high, you should definitely go with an octagon. they are really easy to make with 2x4's. only cost about 200$ =)

 

[headees]

Hey Lazy inspirational stuff here!!

Why do you have a prefilter going into your RO filter? Is that standard practice, Im not familiar with RO filters?

 

[jaspmf]

Interesting point: If you came across weed that was labeled: "Lazyman's Grape Stomper" would you be inclined to lean that direction, or would you think that "man what if the feds wanted to track that cat down, find out where this came from and nail his ass?" lol

I'm just saying that cuz I'm considering labeling my herb, I'm already labeling my medibles (not sure if I should share the name here) but I would like to build a brand name folks can recognize.

...

What say u IC?

I'm going to be called a hater (because it's so easy to say that) but judging by the pictures in this thread, you would be doing disservice to yourself. If I ever saw something labeled "LazyMan's _____", I'd automatically pass. Based on the presumption that it's overferted & stressed weed. Not to mention the nasty systemic pesticides and fungicides that you spray mid-flower.

It would be good for the community in the big picture. People should be well-informed of "medicine" that was not produced ethically. Similar to the food labels about non-peanut products that were run through the same machinery that handles peanuts, and similar to may cause anal leakage.

 

[Cheeb]

ouch..

Lazy, I'll take some of your "stressed" out weed any day.
Are systemics really being used mid-flower?

That'd be my only concern. Pushing a plant near its limits nute wise is a'ok in my book provided that its flushed if overfed any. Your buds below dont look to be overferted or stressed to me so i'd never pass an opportunity to smoke some of this deliciousness up. It obvious the time and care you put into this garden. Keep it comin'

 

[supermanlives]

looking good. got my blumats but realized i need way more of the tiny emitter tubing . thanks fh got 20 feet ordered

 

[Flying High]

I'm going to be called a hater (because it's so easy to say that) but judging by the pictures in this thread, you would be doing disservice to yourself. If I ever saw something labeled "LazyMan's _____", I'd automatically pass. Based on the presumption that it's overferted & stressed weed. Not to mention the nasty systemic pesticides and fungicides that you spray mid-flower.

It would be good for the community in the big picture. People should be well-informed of "medicine" that was not produced ethically. Similar to the food labels about non-peanut products that were run through the same machinery that handles peanuts, and similar to may cause anal leakage.

Wow! I wouldn't call you a "hater"; I think the term "hater" would imply you are just another jealous little b**ch. Stronger words are required in this instance; words that alert all literate folk to the ignorance of your words.

Jaspmf, for you to say "overferted & stressed weed" while previously admitting your opinion is based on pictures, implies to me, you are a person capable of reading a plant's condition based on photo(I struggle to read my own plants in real life). Your assertion "overferted" implies you assesed the plant's individual needs and deemed too much "fert" present; W.T.F.!!! You must be one of those "gifted" individuals who can look a plant once over and know everything their is to know of that plant and even it's medicinal characteristics. Us mortals need to repeatedly grow and sample the plant in order to assess it's qualities?

I can't see the logic behind your sweeping generalizations; to post the comments you posted based on dubious evidence and logic shows all of us the kind of person you are.

Many different ways to end up with a high quality finished product, all of them require actually doing work and seeing it through. To take responsibility for a medical garden the size of Lazy's is more than a full time job, not to mention a responsibility to the many different people involved in a collective garden this size.



Jaspmf, I hope your future harvest go as well as you think they should; very easy to type out the perfect garden, nearly impossible to run the laboratory production environment you seem to think is common. Hopefully you don't have some ignorant kids come talk shit about your hard work.

 

[jaspmf]

My work is praised day in and day out by "ignorant kids" and very experienced long-time professionals alike, when I choose to show off. On a day-to-day basis, I run such "impossible-to-run laboratory production environments" like it's yesterday's fashion.

Your assertion "overferted" implies you assesed the plant's individual needs and deemed too much "fert" present; W.T.F.!!! You must be one of those "gifted" individuals who can look a plant once over and know everything their is to know of that plant and even it's medicinal characteristics. Us mortals need to repeatedly grow and sample the plant in order to assess it's qualities?

Yes, that's precisely and absolutely correct. Take a look at the picture below, tell me what you see?

I see a duck. I recognize it as a duck, because it shows clear qualities and characteristics of being a duck: beak, feathers, shape, webbed feet, what have you. Now, it is possible that the creature picture is simply a tiny dog that has been dressed up in a duck outfit to look extremely like a duck and resemble nothing of an animal most would consider a dog. It's very unlikely, but it is... well, possible.

I will freely call it a duck without apologizing, and if it turns up I was wrong all along and it was indeed a dog dressed up as a duck, I still won't apologize.

I struggle to read my own plants in real life

Thanks, dismissed.

 

[Lazyman]

Happy to address the claims, and/or mudslinging, but I like to think my skin is a bit thicker than that. I may sound a bit defensive, because the garden and its weed are my pride and joy.

I don't think Jaspmf was implying that my weed IS overfed or stressed, but that the term "Lazyman's weed" would sound like that, is that correct? I had the same notion, to be honest. Myself, I probably wouldn't buy something branded as such, because of the negative connotations. It's not a big deal really, as mentioned above, I'd hate to make LEO's job easier. I have another (much more marketable) name selected that would probably sell quite well, but that name will remain divorced from the Lazyman handle.

If Jasp was implying my weed is poorly grown I'd be happy to take issue with that, if that's the case.

As far as systemics, yes I do, and if you can listen to reason you'll understand why.

A 1ml per gallon dose of Floramite, Eagle 20, or even Imidacloprid has a duration/life of approximately 3 weeks in any given plant. To other wise combat thrips, mites, and PM for that time, you would need to spray 5-10 ml per gallon of organic pesticides 6 times! The last time would need to be just days before chop to ward off these problems. I spray once a month with these, timed so the last spray is 4 weeks before the chop. In that last week I've seen mites and thrips alike start to emerge. If they can survive eating these plants, and the plant is no longer toxic to something that tiny, do you really think there are ANY chemicals left to slow them down? Clearly not. Other members that use these same chems (in much higher doses btw) have had their weed lab-tested and no trace found.

So basically, yes I VERY CAREFULLY use systemics, because they work better, and I don't have to constantly spray other pesticides. No pesticide is good for you, would you rather have a ton of organic pesticides or virtually NO chemical pesticides? I smoke my own product, as does my wife, patients, and friends. Do you really think I'm ignorant or naive enough to harm them, let alone myself?

Myself, I would prefer to smoke weed that had no chemicals left in it at chop, compared to weed that had been repeatedly saturated with organic pesticides over and over. Weed grown in sulfur burner rooms smells and tastes bad to me.

I've tried all of the organic pesticides, and they were universally ineffective and expensive. I won't smoke weed covered with PM, mites and bugs, and you wouldn't either. I just think my method is more effective and safer than using shitloads of organics pesticides.

If you disagree thats fine, my patients know what I use and most of them use the same things in their own gardens too. I don't hide anything (clearly.) Also, in a garden of this size pest management can become a real problem, so dealing with it must be fast and effective. Everything I use has been rated for use on food crops, as long as it was at least a week from application to harvest. I do so 4 weeks before with 1/4 the recommended dose. If that worries you, don't smoke my weed.

 

[Rednick]

@Jaspmf


I bet in Nevada you must be the shit!

But remember, even if you DO win the special olympics, you're still retarded.

 

[Lazyman]

I think branding will become a critical part of this industry in the future; I keep comparing to wine. With that said, until laws are on our side, branding would create high levels of risk. I don't think we should make law enforcement's job any easier, they are always searching for evidence of commercial sales; prepackaged and labeled product would be a cop's wet dream...

Blumats in a vertical "octogon-like" set-up using Smart Pots and coco seems to be calling my name; but like you mentioned Lazy, the reservoir would need to be above the top...
So what about using a pressure tank/bladder commonly used for well water(with appropriate pressure regulator)? I noticed Uncle FREEDOM in the vertical section is using pressure tanks with success in an aero system here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=187688

Awesome work Lazy!!!! You have motivated me to get on the Blumats. Now I think I am switching to vertical; thank you for the inspiration.

H

Thanks man, glad I could be of service! I don't think the bladder is what you're looking for, but you CAN use Blumats on one of their pressure regulators. You MIGHT even be able to use an inline fert injector before the pressure reducer, but it would be easier to run that garden as either hand-feed or organic soil.

thanks for clearing things up lazyman... would a strong pump with a timer work instead of using an elevated reservoir as pressure for the Blumats?

flying high, you should definitely go with an octagon. they are really easy to make with 2x4's. only cost about 200$ =)

Yeah I wouldn't, they are designed for pretty much no pressure. See above about a pressure regulator or even a Farmtek inline fertilizer injector (they sell tanked systems that can be strung inline)

Hey Lazy inspirational stuff here!!

Why do you have a prefilter going into your RO filter? Is that standard practice, Im not familiar with RO filters?

Yeah on water over 280ppm they recommend a prefilter to extend the life of the RO membrane, if over 400PPM they recommend a water softener as its easier for RO to remove salt than calcium.

ouch..

Lazy, I'll take some of your "stressed" out weed any day.
Are systemics really being used mid-flower?

That'd be my only concern. Pushing a plant near its limits nute wise is a'ok in my book provided that its flushed if overfed any. Your buds below dont look to be overferted or stressed to me so i'd never pass an opportunity to smoke some of this deliciousness up. It obvious the time and care you put into this garden. Keep it comin'

Thanks man, see above for a description, it wasn't something that I decided lightly, i research all chems very thoroughly before use.

looking good. got my blumats but realized i need way more of the tiny emitter tubing . thanks fh got 20 feet ordered

Yep I always order extra, always seem to need more of that stuff! Good luck bro!

 

[maxmurder]

what the fuck???

what the fuck???

A 1ml per gallon dose of Floramite, Eagle 20, or even Imidacloprid has a duration/life of approximately 3 weeks in any given plant. To other wise combat thrips, mites, and PM for that time, you would need to spray 5-10 ml per gallon of organic pesticides 6 times! The last time would need to be just days before chop to ward off these problems. I spray once a month with these, timed so the last spray is 4 weeks before the chop. In that last week I've seen mites and thrips alike start to emerge. If they can survive eating these plants, and the plant is no longer toxic to something that tiny, do you really think there are ANY chemicals left to slow them down? Clearly not. Other members that use these same chems (in much higher doses btw) have had their weed lab-tested and no trace found.


So basically, yes I VERY CAREFULLY use systemics, because they work better, and I don't have to constantly spray other pesticides. No pesticide is good for you, would you rather have a ton of organic pesticides or virtually NO chemical pesticides? I smoke my own product, as does my wife, patients, and friends. Do you really think I'm ignorant or naive enough to harm them, let alone myself?

aww shit i thought floramite and eagle WAS this shit gettin me so high! damn i'm better off not readin this stuff.. gonna go watch tv i guess..

 

[pontiac]

 

[overmyhead]

thanks for clearing things up lazyman... would a strong pump with a timer work instead of using an elevated reservoir as pressure for the Blumats?

I think it's safe to say that the technical answer to this is yes seeing as they're designed to work off your hose spigot with a pressure reducer, you just want to make sure you use one of those. But, the timer thing presents a potential problem because getting extra air in the tubing can be problematic. And that would happen because when your timer cuts off, if your res is below them wouldn't it siphon anything it could out? If you left it on then you'd have a hot rez no?

All of that having been said, I wasn't comfortable with a main rez up high so I rigged a small pump / timer system to periodically fill a 5 gal bucket up high. It has an overflow valve at 4 gal back to the main rez. I'm still toying with the actual timing and I'm sure it'll change with the plants needs.

 

[Flying High]

thanks for clearing things up lazyman... would a strong pump with a timer work instead of using an elevated reservoir as pressure for the Blumats?

I think it's safe to say that the technical answer to this is yes seeing as they're designed to work off your hose spigot with a pressure reducer, you just want to make sure you use one of those. But, the timer thing presents a potential problem because getting extra air in the tubing can be problematic. And that would happen because when your timer cuts off, if your res is below them wouldn't it siphon anything it could out? If you left it on then you'd have a hot rez no?

All of that having been said, I wasn't comfortable with a main rez up high so I rigged a small pump / timer system to periodically fill a 5 gal bucket up high. It has an overflow valve at 4 gal back to the main rez. I'm still toying with the actual timing and I'm sure it'll change with the plants needs.

How many blumats can you run off the 5gal bucket? I wanted to do what you mention, but I didn't think 5 gal would provide enough pressure with elevations less than five feet or so?

thanks
H