Lazyman's 16KW Headbanger

[Lazyman]

Alright, tonight we're gonna transplant ~50 of the biggest girls in veg (many are 3' tall now) into 5g smartpots and flip them. There will be some space bombs, some Grape stompers, purple mr nice, and a BUNCH of Jackpots. LOVE me some Jackpot! Things grow almost too fast for their own good, I'm kinda scared to see how they do in CO2! The missus is running 5 loads of 2g smartpots through the washer today, thanks hon!

At home I've got about 5 full trays of clones to transplant, I'm gonna put them into 4" pots of FFOF under a shade canopy in my yard for a week until they get the hang of sunlight. Gonna be a busy weekend!

 

[dtfsux]

i cant believe how they look at 3 weeks. It is even more mind blowing when you look at some of the yields from the last couple harvests. Man if all your plants look like that and the room is full, you should be very happy this next harvest.

I am glad I was not the only one that was in awe.

 

[Greenrocket]

Your set up is all the things I would like to do but havent been able to imagine it done. Awesome !

 

[AfroSheep]

MMMm better and better everytime, you have any trimmed pics of the last ones yet?, anyways looking good as usual, those grapes are purple as hell man i dont no what youve done but i likey!

moving countries in under 2 weeks so hoping to slowly get started on abit of my own experimenting with plants.
anyway as usual keep chuggin along "lazyman" and keep up the amazing show!

 

[GreenintheThumb]

I know this is off topic but I'd love some advice on mite issues in a garden your size Lazyman. Any advice for dealing with a HORRIBLE infestation? I'm taking over the worst garden I've ever seen with my own peepers and I want all this shit cleaned out before I start any of my seeds at this location. I was thinking predator mites is the best way to tackle this shit. Or at least be a constant control method used in the flower room. It kinda sucks taking over other people's gardens but I'm eager to get to work. Thanks.

 

[Lazyman]

I know this is off topic but I'd love some advice on mite issues in a garden your size Lazyman. Any advice for dealing with a HORRIBLE infestation? I'm taking over the worst garden I've ever seen with my own peepers and I want all this shit cleaned out before I start any of my seeds at this location. I was thinking predator mites is the best way to tackle this shit. Or at least be a constant control method used in the flower room. It kinda sucks taking over other people's gardens but I'm eager to get to work. Thanks.

No problem man, go on ebay and order a z or two of floramite sc. Mix at 1.2 ml per gallon, mixed with 30ml per gallon of DM Saturation. In the meantime hit your hydro shop for a few pyrethrin loggers and bomb the room, will buy you a few days. If that doesnt work guys are using imidacloprid but its strong stuff, same application rates at floramite. That WILL fix it.

 

[SkizOflan]

Lazy,

While we're on the subject of mites and ailments, i have a serious issue going on in my garden that i've never seen before. I'll try to give all the details to allow a more accurate diagnosis, but i hope you can help! About two weeks ago i noticed fungus gnats (yes, i'm sure they're not thrips or aphids) flying around in my flower and veg rooms above my coco pots. I did some preliminary research and found that many people consider them more of a nuisance than a serious problem, but i'm not so sure in my case because I also learned that they are known to eat into the roots when searching for food/water causing damage to the lower parts of the plant.

After discovering the gnats, i bought a bunch of yellow sticky paper and placed about 1 paper to every three 12" coco pots, plus a mosquito dunk in each res, and about 1 tsp of crumbles that i broke off the dunk rings around each pot. I then sprayed a neem oil r/o mix (about 2x the correct dosage) all over the coco top layer and all over the pots, being sure to coat each pot evenly.
About a week later when my battle tactics seemed to not be working, i acquired some 29% H2O2 and diluted it to the recommended dose and flushed all the plants in both veg and flower with the mixture. I waited a few days to observe while still feeding my regular mixes. The plants seemed to enjoy the H2O2 blast, but the gnats just kept on. Four days later, i bought a bottle of 'go gnats' and added it to the end of two 30-gal mixes and hit all the plants with it at the middle range in the recommended dose. I again continued to feed my normal mixes.

The gnats seemed to slow down after this, but they wouldn't go away completely. For a few consecutive days I sprayed the tops of the coco and pots as before with a go gnats mixture at the recommended dose for an 'area spray" but still they were there, just fewer.

All was well for a few days, and then i began to notice some PM spots on some of the leaves of some recent clones and a few moms! (i know, one thing after another..) I sprayed an organic pm spray on these and they cleared up almost overnight. Great, so i fixed the pm but the damn gnats were still there. After a few more days of regular feeds i began to notice that the bottoms of some of my plants were looking wilted and flimsy like they were over watered or something. Leaves began to turn blackish and new growth came out really tiny and deformed with necrotic spots and twisted edges. Healthy leaves began to fall off, but only in the lower half.

Below are a few images of the situation - I'm wondering if it had something to do with my gnat strategy and maybe too many things going into the coco at once. Is go gnats safe to use multiple times, and do you see any problems with the above tactics that might have led to something like this?

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=20824&pictureid=459083


https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=20824&pictureid=459084


https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=20824&pictureid=459085


I really feel helpless as i've no idea what could be going on. Roots appear healthy, everything else has been the same (environment, feeds, etc) but this HAS to be linked to either the fungus gnats or my tactics in treating the gnats. Please, any advice would be greatly appreciated and if you don't know ask me if there's any other pertinent info.

Thanks!

 

[Lazyman]

Always GOOD questions from Skiz!

So gnats: never had luck treating them with bti (dunks or gnatrol) but cutting down the watering will slow them down. Gotta let the medium get very dry between watering. I would have you try a soil drench of 2 ml per gallon each of peroxide and sm-90. if that doesn't work layer tree and shrub at 1ml per gallon in the res will kill them, I've tried spinosad but even at 2oz per gallon this didn't kill all of them. You can get the bayer products at lowes or home depot.

Good luck bro!

 

[SkizOflan]

Thanks for the reply, but i think you may have missed the point of my question - i was really asking about the plant damage in the pictures, not how to rid the gnats although that is also of primary interest. Please look at the pics and let me know what it looks like - and whether or not it could have anything to do with the products i used in treating the gnats. Also, whether PM can have the effects seen in the pictures as i have no prior experience with PM. If the links aren't working please let me know, i just didn't want to clog up your thread with full pictures. It's pretty urgent as my entire next crop is at jeopardy from this sickness..

Thanks again!

 

[real ting]

Hey lazy, very impressive setup man.
Have you played around with the flip layout? like say the pattern is like this

o x

o x

vs.

x o

o x
?

What about flip times? Have you figured out if the length of time each bulb is on before the flip makes a difference? Like say 3 hours vs 2, or even uneven timing, like 3, 6 , 3 ?

I'd really like to try out those tropf blumats with smart pots and coco after seeing your and others grows. Seems like a great solution.

btw, imid kills mites? As a foliar spray, or would the systemic action kill mites if you feed in the root zone?


edit: Sorry man, I guess I missed the part in the middle of the thread where you stopped staggering and flipped on all the lights. My bad dude.

 

[Lazyman]

Thanks for the reply, but i think you may have missed the point of my question - i was really asking about the plant damage in the pictures, not how to rid the gnats although that is also of primary interest. Please look at the pics and let me know what it looks like - and whether or not it could have anything to do with the products i used in treating the gnats. Also, whether PM can have the effects seen in the pictures as i have no prior experience with PM. If the links aren't working please let me know, i just didn't want to clog up your thread with full pictures. It's pretty urgent as my entire next crop is at jeopardy from this sickness..

Thanks again!

Ah, sorry man, was posting from my phone. So anything black or necrotic is probably being caused by pythium, or some other fungus. I would encourage a spraying with some Eagle20EW if you have it, .5 ml per gallon seems to be the recommended dosage from the label. Kills all fungi (including PM) dead. It's tough to judge severe gnat damage, I haven't seen many pics of it. Small leaves I've usually found to be a symptom of rootbound plants, could be a combination or maybe something in the root ball. If you don't have Eagle20 I'd tell you to go to Home Depot and use something labeled for treating black spot/PM or a general
fungicide.

Hey lazy, very impressive setup man.
Have you played around with the flip layout? like say the pattern is like this

o x

o x

vs.

x o

o x
?

What about flip times? Have you figured out if the length of time each bulb is on before the flip makes a difference? Like say 3 hours vs 2, or even uneven timing, like 3, 6 , 3 ?

I'd really like to try out those tropf blumats with smart pots and coco after seeing your and others grows. Seems like a great solution.

btw, imid kills mites? As a foliar spray, or would the systemic action kill mites if you feed in the root zone?


edit: Sorry man, I guess I missed the part in the middle of the thread where you stopped staggering and flipped on all the lights. My bad dude.

Yeah imid is supposed to kill mites, actually kill anything that bites the plant. Yes it should work as a systemic when fed through the roots, but I haven't tested that yet.

No worries about the lights, might try it again at some point in the future, but not now.

 

[Serrated Edges]

Lazyman's 16KW Headbanger

Ah, sorry man, was posting from my phone. So anything black or necrotic is probably being caused by pythium, or some other fungus. I would encourage a spraying with some Eagle20EW if you have it, .5 ml per gallon seems to be the recommended dosage from the label. Kills all fungi (including PM) dead. It's tough to judge severe gnat damage, I haven't seen many pics of it. Small leaves I've usually found to be a symptom of rootbound plants, could be a combination or maybe something in the root ball. If you don't have Eagle20 I'd tell you to go to Home Depot and use something labeled for treating black spot/PM or a general
fungicide.



Yeah imid is supposed to kill mites, actually kill anything that bites the plant. Yes it should work as a systemic when fed through the roots, but I haven't tested that yet.

No worries about the lights, might try it again at some point in the future, but not now.

Actually imid doesn't do shit for mites. Just reach for a bottle of avid or floramite. Imid will kill aphids and possibly gnats. I use goGnats also, poison free.

 

[SkizOflan]

Lazy,

I have a bottle of DM Zone sitting around, would that do the trick? I've never heard of Eagle20EW not sure where to find it.. How would pythium get a hold in coco? I've only ever heard of it in hydro - you know me, i like to understand the root cause of things and not just how to fix it. Any info on root fungi and how they get started (weak room factors, etc) would be greatly appreciated. I'm really considering the whole 'dead' res thing like you've got going, seems to be well worth the trade-off vs. running organics.

Thanks a ton as always.

 

[Lazyman]

Yeah I'm not a big fan of organics indoors, it's so easy for organics to turn against you and infect a whole crop.

DM Zone will kill all living things in a res or rootball, I use it and have healthy plants. Its likely that the fungus or mold/mildew problem you have is in the foliage though, judging by the pics. They also look pretty big for their pot size, I would transplant into fresh medium and a bigger pot. Eagle20 I got off Ebay, a bottle of it will last you forever. I would certainly start with the DM zone in the res and see how things look in a few days, but I would also pull off the damaged leaves to see if the problem is continuing or worsening. At any rate your plants will need a week or two to get back on schedule.

Pathogens in coco are the same as pathogens in any other system, they are caused by airborne spores that will grow anyplace damp. Botrytis, aspergillus, powdery mildew etc are all spread the same way, and treated with fungicides.

 

[Guest 18340]

Lazy, your thread is a wealth of growing info. I love stopping in and checking your progress. 2 thumbs up brother

 

[Lazyman]

Lazy, your thread is a wealth of growing info. I love stopping in and checking your progress. 2 thumbs up brother

Thanks Evlme, much appreciated! I always wanted one of those threads that folks can reference for lots of info, and this one I wanted as a guide for how to do a 16-light op. So far, so good!

 

[SumDumGuy]

Absolutely fantastic bro. I am always amazed when I come in here!!

 

[whodair]

lovin the bare bulb love you're showing !!

 

[Teeg420]

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[SkizOflan]

Lazy,

Got a few questions about some of your nutrient feed strengths. You mention using DM Saturator (which i always use) but at a different dose than recommended by DM. You say you use it at 30ml/gal but i believe it's actually 60ml/liter!!! What's the discrepancy here, why do you use so little? I usually use 240ml/gal, am i just wasting the shit..? Also, you said you use H&G drip clean at 1ml/gal but i believe they call for 1/3 of that, as their calculator tells me to add 12ml per 30 gal. Any reason why you use so much? And finally, you use diamond nectar at only 1ml/gal when they call for much more than that..? I'm trying to understand more about using nutes per plants needs and not recommended doses, but why do companies list recommended doses if they are not accurate? Clearly your garden is in the right here, so please help me understand all the intricacies that i am missing!

Thanks!