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Lazyman's 16KW Headbanger
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Raphael
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3lbs from 4 lights is very respectable all things considered... dial in run, lighting, etc. in the next three months you will at least triple your yield while doubling your lights. Perpetual is nice! As long as you keep consistent and pack them bitches in there haha
keep it up can't wait for next round
keep it up can't wait for next round
GanjaPharma
Member
Lazyman,
Been reading this thread since you started it...nice clean setup, no skimping on the gear you need (your penchant for automation is admirable) and the grow looks great!
but I REALLY want to thank you for your honest weigh report and recap. thats not just refreshing, but really the mark of an insightful professional (also why your next crop will nail it).
what i want to know is ...how do you have time to do over 3,400 posts and run shows like that???lol is that where the automation bit comes in?
Been reading this thread since you started it...nice clean setup, no skimping on the gear you need (your penchant for automation is admirable) and the grow looks great!
but I REALLY want to thank you for your honest weigh report and recap. thats not just refreshing, but really the mark of an insightful professional (also why your next crop will nail it).
what i want to know is ...how do you have time to do over 3,400 posts and run shows like that???lol is that where the automation bit comes in?
lol I have racked up quite a post count here, but I literally spend about 40 hours a week on this site, sometimes more! Yep automation makes all things possible. Went skiing for a few days and came back to a healthy, well-watered grow. Nice gig when you can get it!
Thanks GP, your support means a lot to me, and why I love this site and its members so much!
Thanks GP, your support means a lot to me, and why I love this site and its members so much!
Nice grow Lazyman, I've been watching from the beginning.
I have to say I was a bit skeptical about the flip flop technique. Good effort on your part to test this theory.
I haven't checked toohighmf's thread, as I think he is doing a similar flip flop with his grow.
The Blumats are great, but expensive for a large plant count grow when compared to pump driven drip system. They do provide much more as far as keeping optimal moisture levels.
Great thread, I'll stay tuned.
I have to say I was a bit skeptical about the flip flop technique. Good effort on your part to test this theory.
I haven't checked toohighmf's thread, as I think he is doing a similar flip flop with his grow.
The Blumats are great, but expensive for a large plant count grow when compared to pump driven drip system. They do provide much more as far as keeping optimal moisture levels.
Great thread, I'll stay tuned.
Not really, its not a complete failure as he did get a little over 3# but its really not that great.
The grow is 8 lights, and the staggered lighting is supposed to equal results of 8 lights or very close to it. He paid for ballasts, bulbs, shit to flip the lights, etc. He wants the best return he can get on that.
Depending on strain etc he could have gotten 8-12 #'s
Lazy knows I am not ragging, just treating it like a business and trying to get the best bang for the buck.
Like a smart grower, he already has a plan for next round, and has basically said fuck it, and turned on all the lights in his other room
Someone said when you get a bug problem on a large grow it is a logistics nightmare. Well he is dead on. Especially on a perpetual harvest. You want to bomb the shit out of the plants but some are close to harvest, etc. Even if you dont care about that, you still have a shitload of plants to take care of and treat.
I always ran sealed rooms, and never had any bug issues except for one time. I once got spidermites, and I am pretty sure that was from some clones I was gifted. I know that grower was dealing with spider mite issues at some point as well.
Those little fuckers were nasty. They were all over my moms, vegging plants and flowering plants. It sucked.
And for air circulation, I had 2 oscillating fans for 9KW and 4 for 14KW. The 9kw grow I never had issues with mold,bud rot,PM etc. Between the fans, my scrubber and my DH, that room was dialed in. Why oh Why did I leave it??? The 14kw I believe I had enough circulation, just not enough DH as I was up to 80-90% at times until I added more DH
Aw you guys are the best, really!
Yeah I know DTF, I was just bummed as hell last night. I considered 6# to be my lowest acceptable yield and got half that, ouch!
I am fortunate that all the lights are in one room, so I don't have to do anything but plug in ballasts to add more light.
Maybe once I get everything dialed in with AC and CO2 I'll try the staggered light thing again, see how the yield changes.
By the way, I mentioned earlier that I had transplanted 6 of the biggest Jackpots into 4 gallon plastic pots to compare them to the 2 gallon smartpots. Only one of the plants actually looks bigger, the rest are the same size. Final yield will be the deciding factor of course, but so far I'm pretty impressed at how well the Smartpots keep up.
Yeah I know DTF, I was just bummed as hell last night. I considered 6# to be my lowest acceptable yield and got half that, ouch!
I am fortunate that all the lights are in one room, so I don't have to do anything but plug in ballasts to add more light.
Maybe once I get everything dialed in with AC and CO2 I'll try the staggered light thing again, see how the yield changes.
By the way, I mentioned earlier that I had transplanted 6 of the biggest Jackpots into 4 gallon plastic pots to compare them to the 2 gallon smartpots. Only one of the plants actually looks bigger, the rest are the same size. Final yield will be the deciding factor of course, but so far I'm pretty impressed at how well the Smartpots keep up.
Thanks Sam, agreed, at least we all learned something today!
If every day can be like that we'll end up better growers for it.Yeah I'd agree that the Blumats are kind of expensive, but in the long run I think they'll pay for themselves, with no pumps to replace, or dependency on power for watering. Even during a power failure the only thing missing is light and odor control, but neither will outright kill a plant.
It has been a learning experience dialing them in though, gotta be pretty dry in early veg, wetter in later veg, and watering almost to the point of runoff in flower. They are SUPER sensitive to changes, a 1/8" turn makes a huge difference in how much moisture is in the pot.
bass ackwards
Member
It has been a learning experience dialing them in though, gotta be pretty dry in early veg, wetter in later veg, and watering almost to the point of runoff in flower. They are SUPER sensitive to changes, a 1/8" turn makes a huge difference in how much moisture is in the pot.[/QUOTE]
I have been thinking of trying Smart Pots with Blumats any info you care to provide on dialing them in would be helpful.
Respect bass
I have been thinking of trying Smart Pots with Blumats any info you care to provide on dialing them in would be helpful.
Respect bass
Hey BA,that seems to be the gist of it (what you quoted above.) This weekend I'm transplanting the next batch into veg, and after the plants and Blumats get watered in, I'm closing the feed from the barrel so they get no water until they start to wilt. This way they'll grow a better root ball and take off faster.
After flushing you can also close off the feed barrel so they dry out again. Remember that if the BLumat valve dries out, it has to be soaked in water for an hour to reactivate them. So try not to leave them off too long.
So the point is to start off pretty dry, then increase the moisture until you get to flower, then at the end of flower dry them out again. After you chop, leave the pots and valves in place (barrel feed on) until you have a new pot to replace them with, or you have to reactivate the valves again.
After flushing you can also close off the feed barrel so they dry out again. Remember that if the BLumat valve dries out, it has to be soaked in water for an hour to reactivate them. So try not to leave them off too long.
So the point is to start off pretty dry, then increase the moisture until you get to flower, then at the end of flower dry them out again. After you chop, leave the pots and valves in place (barrel feed on) until you have a new pot to replace them with, or you have to reactivate the valves again.
bass ackwards
Member
Thanks for the quick reply. Blumats really seem to be the way to go,along with your reservoir top-off system. As you say no worries about pump failures which will no longer be a concern.
Not sure if I complemented you on this thread before, great thread,much information. Was it you who spoke of a 15 minute delay relay to prevent hot start up of your lights in case of a power failure? Could use info on that if you have it.
Respect bass
Not sure if I complemented you on this thread before, great thread,much information. Was it you who spoke of a 15 minute delay relay to prevent hot start up of your lights in case of a power failure? Could use info on that if you have it.
Respect bass
Yep that was probably me, it was a CAP HL3E I believe, if the adjustable temp sensor overheats, it kills power to the outlet. Plug your lamp relay or timer into that, and it will shut off that timer (relay) if there is an overheat. It won't turn back on for 15 minutes to give the ballasts time to cool as well. Just a caution, the first unit I got did not work as advertised, it would just click and click the relay but never allowed power to go through uninterrupted. I got a replacement but haven't had time to wire it back in. So just a caution!
Thanks for the props man, much appreciated. I hope to be of further use to the community, even if it's just "Good god, don't make the mistake Lazyman did!" Hahaha!
Thanks for the props man, much appreciated. I hope to be of further use to the community, even if it's just "Good god, don't make the mistake Lazyman did!" Hahaha!
Emperor Herer
Member
Dang!
Dang!
Hey Lazy
Did you change your sig in the middle of the night?
Yes, your room is Xakly what I want... in 2X3 CABINET...
till then, I will happly droul over your space.
I have a LONG way to go... and grow.
To bad I am not the type just shut up and learn.
I'll apologize up front for my insistent inquisitiveness...
sorry I was late for the party.
I'll sit over here... 
Dang!
Not really, its not a complete failure as he did get a little over 3# but its really not that great.
The grow is 8 lights, and the staggered lighting is supposed to equal results of 8 lights or very close to it. He paid for ballasts, bulbs, shit to flip the lights, etc. He wants the best return he can get on that.
Depending on strain etc he could have gotten 8-12 #'s
Lazy knows I am not ragging, just treating it like a business and trying to get the best bang for the buck.
Like a smart grower, he already has a plan for next round, and has basically said fuck it, and turned on all the lights in his other room
Hey Lazy
Did you change your sig in the middle of the night?
Yes, your room is Xakly what I want... in 2X3 CABINET...
till then, I will happly droul over your space.
I have a LONG way to go... and grow.
To bad I am not the type just shut up and learn.
I'll apologize up front for my insistent inquisitiveness...
sorry I was late for the party.
I'll sit over here... Learningfirst
Member
I am so jealous... What novice wouldn't be.
I'm waiting on Gov paperwork to be completed before I can do a legal grow.. As far as I'm concerned it's legal cuz It is. Vague yes; true? Definitely. My mom does not eat without some heavy Indica and is withering away with MS - I Will NOT stand by while I can help her.. Shit my mom is sick & too sick to do the work. I say F this middle ages prohibition from remnants of Reefer Madness.
F Propaganda. Sweet Ass Grow Lazy
I'm waiting on Gov paperwork to be completed before I can do a legal grow.. As far as I'm concerned it's legal cuz It is. Vague yes; true? Definitely. My mom does not eat without some heavy Indica and is withering away with MS - I Will NOT stand by while I can help her.. Shit my mom is sick & too sick to do the work. I say F this middle ages prohibition from remnants of Reefer Madness.
F Propaganda. Sweet Ass Grow Lazy
Thanks guys, when I got started I found mentors over at Overgrow.com, and learned from them just like you're doing now.
It seems most growers go through stages:
First grow/crop, half-assed attempt, fail.
Second grow/crop, serious, spend every penny you can find, still do poorly.
Third grow, learn to actually GROW WEED instead of just build grow rooms, do better!
Fourth grow, mix the knowledge learned to do pretty damn well
Then move to a bigger space just for growing, do ok as you learn the new space and large-scale problems
Then move to a bigger space, do better!
Finally end up with a warehouse, then 3 warehouses, etc.
It seems most growers go through stages:
First grow/crop, half-assed attempt, fail.
Second grow/crop, serious, spend every penny you can find, still do poorly.
Third grow, learn to actually GROW WEED instead of just build grow rooms, do better!
Fourth grow, mix the knowledge learned to do pretty damn well
Then move to a bigger space just for growing, do ok as you learn the new space and large-scale problems
Then move to a bigger space, do better!
Finally end up with a warehouse, then 3 warehouses, etc.
L-Immortal
Member
Aint that the truth, no truer words have be spoken
Yo LM, I figured if anyone could appreciate a "cooling" dilemma, it'd be you
I may have just solved my own (potential) cooling issue and wanted to get your thoughts (saw your write-up coincidentally...nice work)
At any rate, moving to a new space (9x12x8) and there is an overhead,6" round vent that runs almost directly through the middle of the new space,through the ceiling. It's probably 4' off of the main trunk of a 5 ton central air unit.My thought was to divert, or possibly even disconnect right above my space, add a 45 and pipe it into the room.
What say you ?
The room will have 3x600 digi's, 65pt. dehuey, 2x6" inlines (one cooling lights/w scrubber, the other recirculating w/scrubber) 2x16" oscillating wall units.
TIA
SSM
I may have just solved my own (potential) cooling issue and wanted to get your thoughts (saw your write-up coincidentally...nice work)
At any rate, moving to a new space (9x12x8) and there is an overhead,6" round vent that runs almost directly through the middle of the new space,through the ceiling. It's probably 4' off of the main trunk of a 5 ton central air unit.My thought was to divert, or possibly even disconnect right above my space, add a 45 and pipe it into the room.
What say you ?
The room will have 3x600 digi's, 65pt. dehuey, 2x6" inlines (one cooling lights/w scrubber, the other recirculating w/scrubber) 2x16" oscillating wall units.
TIA
SSM
