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Law enforcement took more stuff from people than burglars did last year

Al Botross

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Here's an interesting factoid about contemporary policing: In 2014, for the first time ever, law enforcement officers took more property from American citizens than burglars did. Martin Armstrong pointed this out at his blog, Armstrong Economics, last week.

Officers can take cash and property from people without convicting or even charging them with a crime — yes, really! — through the highly controversial practice known as civil asset forfeiture. Last year, according to the Institute for Justice, the Treasury and Justice departments deposited more than $5 billion into their respective asset forfeiture funds. That same year, the FBI reports that burglary losses topped out at $3.5 billion.

Armstrong claims that "the police are now taking more assets than the criminals," but this isn't exactly right: The FBI also tracks property losses from larceny and theft, in addition to plain ol' burglary. If you add up all the property stolen in 2014, from burglary, theft, motor vehicle theft and other means, you arrive at roughly $12.3 billion, according to the FBI. That's more than double the federal asset forfeiture haul.

[In tough times, police start seizing a lot more stuff]

One other point: Those asset forfeiture deposit amounts are not necessarily the best indicator of a rise in the use of forfeiture. "In a given year, one or two high-dollar cases may produce unusually large amounts of money — with a portion going back to victims — thereby telling a noisy story of year-to-year activity levels," the Institute for Justice explains. A big chunk of that 2014 deposit, for instance, was the $1.7 billion Bernie Madoff judgment, most of which flowed back to the victims.

For that reason, the net assets of the funds are usually seen as a more stable indicator — those numbers show how much money is left over in the funds each year after the federal government takes care of various obligations, like payments to victims. Since this number can reflect monies taken over multiple calendar years, it's less comparable to the annual burglary statistics.

Still, even this more stable indicator hit $4.5 billion in 2014, according to the Institute for Justice — higher again than the burglary losses that year.

One final caveat is that these are only the federal totals and don't reflect how much property is seized by state and local police each year. Reliable data for all 50 states is unavailable, but the Institute of Justice found that the total asset forfeiture haul for 14 states topped $250 million in 2013. The grand 50-state total would probably be much higher.

Still, boil down all the numbers and caveats above and you arrive at a simple fact: In the United States, in 2014, more cash and property transferred hands via civil asset forfeiture than via burglary. The total value of asset forfeitures was more than one-third of the total value of property stolen by criminals in 2014. That represents something of a sea change in the way police do business — and it's prompting plenty of scrutiny of the practice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/

We still gotta watch our backs
 

St. Phatty

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ORGANISED CRIME AT ITS FINEST....yeehaw


I am gob-smacked by the changes in the US since around the time of 9-11.

Yes, organized crime at the highest levels of American business, medicine, government ... with academia rooting it on.

One of the most criminal doctors I know of just got promoted to run a UC med school.


I was never "anti-authoritarian", or an "anarchist", when I was younger.

However, now that I see that the US has Anarchy at the highest levels of what are supposed to be authority figures -
A/ I am reminded of the Soviet Union and its collapse.
B/ I think disbanding the government - de-funding it - is the right thing to do.


When the colonies originally rebelled against England, it wasn't just the king they rebelled against. It was the power behind the throne, that was pushing the king to impose taxes on the colonies so he could pay interest on the money they loaned him.

The rebellion was successful for a good time (1776 to approx. 1937), but it appears that the 'power behind the throne' has re-captured the reins of the US gov.
 

Sativan

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Yeah, when I got busted they took anything and everything related to plants. All of it. Value of approx. $1,500. Never got shit back, even though it was illegal due to a lack of a search warrant. They got the warrant AFTER they searched my property. Fuck heads!
 

stoned-trout

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I am gob-smacked by the changes in the US since around the time of 9-11.

Yes, organized crime at the highest levels of American business, medicine, government ... with academia rooting it on.

One of the most criminal doctors I know of just got promoted to run a UC med school.


I was never "anti-authoritarian", or an "anarchist", when I was younger.

However, now that I see that the US has Anarchy at the highest levels of what are supposed to be authority figures -
A/ I am reminded of the Soviet Union and its collapse.
B/ I think disbanding the government - de-funding it - is the right thing to do.


When the colonies originally rebelled against England, it wasn't just the king they rebelled against. It was the power behind the throne, that was pushing the king to impose taxes on the colonies so he could pay interest on the money they loaned him.

The rebellion was successful for a good time (1776 to approx. 1937), but it appears that the 'power behind the throne' has re-captured the reins of the US gov.
we have become worse than what we ran away from...theres more taxes than ever and freedom is an illusion...yeehaw
 

mowood3479

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Sometimes I feel like a coward for not doing what I can (prob not much) to fight against civil asset forfeiture and other corrupt govt practices. Instead I try to do what I can to not become a victim of such policies.... Keep my head down and try to blend in..It really sucks.
I'm tired of being ashamed (and afraid) of my govt.
anyone I've ever known who stood up against bs like this got locked away in a hole.
It's some dreary shit man.
Gonna go smoke a j n try to forget about this for today
 

Gry

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The most popular post in the thread "reported ". Makes it too easy to go with what the trout said about illusion.
 
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coldcanna

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And the fact that in the last 16 years they've added 11 trillion to the deficit. Debt is the modern day form of slavery. Our government is in debt, the citizens are in debt, and the guys at the top are laughing. Think about it, your not allowed to even possess your own cash? So what's the only choice... you invest it in stocks. We saw in 1999 then 2008 people's entire savings evaporate from those crooks, it's like it's on a cycle to bankrupt each generation of people. It's keeps us in a cycle of servitute.

My own personal story... my gramps worked his whole life in a factory and rose from the bottom all the way to management, retired in 1998 with a nice nest egg and golden years in front of him. When the Internet bubble burst that was cut in half, then the recent collapse brought them back to nothing. They are mid 70s and work minimum wage jobs to make ends meet... back where they started 55 years ago. So you speak of being ashamed to let the feds walk on us. Funk them. We are the people they dread, we are entrepreneurs working in cash, spending that money in our home towns and not paying taxes to those crooked fucks. Everybody who's been doing this work in the black or grey markets for years is the definition of resistance, keep it up
 

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