Landrace Decision making for First timers

[VERMONSTAH]

It took me 15 yrs of playing with hybrid varietals and watching jodrey speak volumes about the potential in these lines........i am in it to win it...genetically speaking.That being said i have a huge issue with selection based on exp well cause i have none with landraces. I was curious if i could have folks with landrace exp, walk me and others who are new to these varietals through what one should be looking for in these lines. In all actuality i am so new to these lines i'd appreciate any and all info and insight towards gaining better understanding. Please and thankyou.

 

[Cpt00tbk]

i already gave hell too a malawi from ace into some homemade hydroponics system, with poor lighting power, and it have pass thru, but it as been a bit long,almost 17weeks, im doin it again right now for the second time in organic soil in a 0.6sq m closet.

And i know that hybrids plant are much more vigorous than a stabilized pure line, so a mix of landrance such as golden tiger coming from 2 inbreed lines must be much more vigorous and resistant..... anyways if you already growed for a couple year and you understand the needs of your plant, you would not have too much problem, just have to give her the specifics condition that she needs....

And when it come for choosing whats kinds of effects and taste you are looking for ?

 

[VERMONSTAH]

I wanna try a colombian or mexican landrace to start prob. Someone had a landrace mexican that had cinn latte overtones.

 

[burningfire]

Some landraces are selected in a grow room, while others are sourced from the farmers themselves.

the amount of variability in a landrace line really depends on the type of cultivation it is, if you go for a hash plant you're more likely to find CBD rich plants than if you go for a more typical drug-type sativa plant.

In my experience, where growing cannabis is legal, where cannabis grows wild in the surrounding area you will find some very wild looking individuals, I wouldn't call it a lottery but it's not as easy as growing F1s or IBLs from reputable breeders. You are more likely to find plants that will react more strongly to stress than cultivated lines.

You might get off the beaten path and select against something atypical from the dutch seedbanks, It can be very rewarding

 

[baduy]

Hi. I think for my next grow I will aim to cross plants with similar highs rather than complementary. The ideal would be them to have also similar terpene profiles and be geographicaly distant enough. the goal would be just to enhance some desirable features without loosing magic. I already got plenty of bagseeds of generic THC bombs with basically the same "complex" high so don't need to create another one.
Another goal is to make seeds only outdoor or with plants which have been checked outdoors, I hate loosing beautiful flowers to mold or insects

 

[Big Sur]

I wanna try a colombian or mexican landrace to start prob. Someone had a landrace mexican that had cinn latte overtones.

My experience with true western hemisphere sativa landraces is that tend to grow really tall, they bloom late to really really late, and they tend to have long skinny colas. My Colombians and North Mexican strains started to bloom for me in late October outdoors in central California and southern Oregon. They would have finished in late December or even January, as they have a long bloom time. My 'early' south Mexican sativas tend to start blooming here in Oregon (near the 45th parallel) around September 10, and finish at the end of October. You can fool them into blooming earlier, but they will still tend to be tall, straggly, and have long thin colas and take longer to finish.

True landraces are also hit and miss for taste and character. I have a Oaxaca strain that is so minty that I cannot smoke it. I thought it was picking up the mint flavor from the other plants in the greenhouse, but that was not the case. Oaxacan strains are commonly minty in flavor. If you want true dialed in flavor and growing traits, I would suggest one of the early heirloom strains. True Mexican landrace strains were mostly made extinct after the paraquat spraying by our illustrious and evil President Nixon of the past. They have since also been tainted with crosses with autoflowering ruderalis strains, and more compact indicas. I have heard that the same thing has happened in Colombia, though I would bet that there are true landraces still to be gotten in the rural Colombia regions. But as I said above, they bloom so very very late.

My experience, anyway.

 

[Coughie]

It depends on what you're trying to do..
When it comes to landraces, there's two approaches and it's determined by your goals.

Do you want to grow a landrace, find a favorite lady and clone her for years?

Or do you want to sift through a bunch of seed, finding the 1-in-100 gem plants, to find 5 or 6 of such in order to create another generation? On this same thought, maybe you want to get into open pollinations and create more landrace diversity..



If you just want to smoke a landrace, to smoke a landrace, because its appealing and important (experience, palette training, etc).. Then I would highly suggest picking up a handful of strains from either ACE or CannaBioGen. They have linebred landraces that are rather spot-on of the descriptions that they provide.


But if you want to get into the more-wild, untamed landraces, it can be a bit more difficult. More difficult to acquire and more difficult to work with. These plants aren't used to being wrangled in any manner of growing, nor are they generally narrowed down much in phenotypical expression. It's an honest hunt, for the good plants, and it's an honest effort to supply the ideal environmental conditions. It's more work, but it makes some of us cannabis lovers' hearts beat. I live for it.


So really... do you wanna smoke them or breed with them?

Not that you can't breed with ACE/CBG stuff, or just find a lady to smoke out of a untamed landrace - but crossing the two is more work than it needs to be for the targeted goal, that way.

 

[VERMONSTAH]

I just woke up.......let me reread these gems brb.......oh and thankyou.

 

[VERMONSTAH]

Well here's my plan/goals By this time next year to have at least 1-5 mother plants all either landrace, (cannabiogen mangobiche and punta rojo atm) are my picks for this payday(friday).Kinda wish i had one of you sativa lovers closer by so i could have you let me try REAL sativa's, Not eagle20 sprayed outdoor from outwest someone calls "heavy sativa" lmao! After real consideration i think i will try to successfully grow out the mangobiche and punta indoors.......can you guys give me insight, Can i use my standard sunshine mix#4 and chunky perlite, type medium with these girls? I have shown various folks here my only experiance with a sativa and i was truly overwhelmed at the time because i was ignorant to what id had. My very first seed purchase ever was medicine man from mr .nice back in 2008 i believe. I do have pics of the one med man bean i popped that turned out to be a landracey looking version that i watered the death out of lmao, If you'd like to see pics i will share them. So i will do whatever needs being done so i can get my wheels rollin', wanted to say thankyou to all of you who chimed in. this sint a hobby to me its a way of life.

 

[Cpt00tbk]

personally, really good choice.

 

[Big Sur]

Hmmmm. My experience is that landrace sativas are tall and long topped, and growing under lights this is a problem. Light intensity falls off at the square of the distance from the source. Growing outdoors, this is not a problem. Sunlight intensity on the ground is virtually the same as it is at 12 feet off the ground. That is because the sun is 93 million miles away. But growing indoors, light intensity is 1/16 at 4 feet away as it is one foot from the bulb. Watts per square meter falls off very rapidly from the bulb.

 

[Croissant]

Scrog either horizontal or vertical. Veg plants till they sex then take clones and use the clones for flowering.

 

[VERMONSTAH]

Hmmmm. My experience is that landrace sativas are tall and long topped, and growing under lights this is a problem. Light intensity falls off at the square of the distance from the source. Growing outdoors, this is not a problem. Sunlight intensity on the ground is virtually the same as it is at 12 feet off the ground. That is because the sun is 93 million miles away. But growing indoors, light intensity is 1/16 at 4 feet away as it is one foot from the bulb. Watts per square meter falls off very rapidly from the bulb.

Your insight means alot to me, I am going to forgo anything else here and focus on this so i can learn and not be distracted by bullshit. I was actually thinking or two diff scenarios.
1. where i use 2-3 600 kooltubes so i can get the canopy well close to the bulbs proper, then use 6400-10,000 t-5 as supplimentals on the sides so the lower mid range canopy dosnt languish behind the tops.
Do these varietals require a diff soil mix than say a reg hybrid grow would?

 

[thejact55]

A standard soil mix will work, but stay really light on the nutrients. They don't need near as much, and can be sensitive. I grow tropical landraces indoors, and keep them in small pots. 1-2 gallons, no more. I also flower early, only 2 weeks of veg max. Start off with 18/6 lighting max, in the tropics there really isn't more than 14 hours of light in nature, they are used to this. Then gradually go to 12/12, and even a 11/13 to help along flower on super long flowering strains. My sativas easily hit 4' or more using this method. I don't grow for yeild at this point, mainly seed stock.

Ace and cannabiogen would be easy to find mother to clone. Also look into tropical seeds. If you want some crazy plants with unique properties, look into the real seed company. Very untamed plants that can be challenging. You need alot if seeds to find gems, but it is rewarding.

 

[Big Sur]

Your insight means alot to me, I am going to forgo anything else here and focus on this so i can learn and not be distracted by bullshit. I was actually thinking or two diff scenarios.
1. where i use 2-3 600 kooltubes so i can get the canopy well close to the bulbs proper, then use 6400-10,000 t-5 as supplimentals on the sides so the lower mid range canopy dosnt languish behind the tops.
Do these varietals require a diff soil mix than say a reg hybrid grow would?

Yes, lots of BS out there, but MJ plants like BS!

I missed this reply... sorry. This sounds good. I use an array of open bulb and reflector 400 Watt MH lights indoors myself, with T-8 floro 5100k surrounds, and T-8 floro as cloning bench lights. I keep the tops about a foot from the MH bulbs. They can rub up against the T-8 bulbs as they are so cool. I did some major stem bending under lights last year but... I had some stem rot as a result of condensation on the horizontal branches. Weed grows upright for a reason; water weeps off resulting in stem rot avoidance. Make sure that you have good airflow (I added another box fan).

All Cannabis is basically the same as far as soil in my experience. They will grow in anything. My brother grows them in Black Gold bagged soil with food success (heirloom and modern crosses). I make and mix my own soils here. For weed potting soil I mix 7 parts select loose silty soil from my property that has lots of different local mushroom fungus growing in it. I add 3 parts rotted compost or decomposed sawdust, 1 part Perlite, and 1 part biochar/wood ash mix (fine charcoal from burning pine branches). If I had clay soil I would add 2 parts sand. I grow in 7 and 15 gal. pots outdoors so I can move them between greenhouses, force bloom them early, move then inside if there is a late or early frost, or as I did last year, give them to my family to grow in other locations. I an also move them inside and finish them like I did this year (early rains in the PNW this fall). Indoors I use 5 to 7 gallon so called squat pots (lower and wider pots).

I use mainly water dissolved fertilizers at half strength so I can control the grow and change the blend from what I see in the leaves. Old leaves turn yellow (before the fall) they want nitrogen. New leaves turn yellow, they want chelated Iron. Scotts, Miracle Grow, or any plant food will work. NPK is NPK. UC Davis has done lots of studies on how plants take up nutrients, and they do not care if they are organic or not. You can also feed the fungal mass in the soil by adding sugar to the water, but I have found that the fungus can overgrow the soil, and so I do not do that any more. Feed the plant and let the plant roots feed the fungus.

In the end? I have found that many newer crossed strains grow the same as landraces. For example, this year I grew Blue Dream, and it grows like a classic sativa. It blooms earlier and faster than my landrace Mexican sativas though. With your Colombian selection, they want to bloom late and long. But indoors that should not be an issue. Punto Rojo tends to grow and flower rather tall and leggy. Mangobiche I am not familiar with, but it looks cool on the info sheets.

 

[The Hatter]

Just a heads up. If you are new to growing land races and are planning to do it indoors then I HIGHLY recommend staying away from the super long flowering unworked equatorial low land sativas like Mangobiche. They are an absolute nightmare to grow even for people with prior experience growing land race genetics. The last thing you want to do is spend 25 weeks growing out a Mangobiche crop only to have the whole thing die or hermie on you. You would be wise to start with something shorter flowering like Ace's Honduran if you want something that is still very wild. That stuff is still very long flowering but not completely insane and they have at least done some preliminary selections to remove the worst of the hermie traits.

 

[vertie-bertie]

Then I would highly suggest picking up a handful of strains from either ACE...

I've bougt a mix pack with 6 regular seeds from ACE and I had no luck with them: only one plant left - 2 mutants, 1 hermi in 4th week...and the plant I've kept looked like a very nice hybrid but taste not like weed...I mean, not positiv

do you know "the real seed company"? thay have very good selected landraces, mostly grown and produced in the original countries?

 

[The Hatter]

I've bougt a mix pack with 6 regular seeds from ACE and I had no luck with them: only one plant left - 2 mutants, 1 hermi in 4th week...and the plant I've kept looked like a very nice hybrid but taste not like weed...I mean, not positiv

do you know "the real seed company"? thay have very good selected landraces, mostly grown and produced in the original countries?

If you are having trouble with Ace strains I would stay away from Real Seeds. Ace's land race strains have been worked and are a lot more stable, better yielding, better tasting and more potent than the strait land race strains from Real Seeds. I have grown strains from both seed companies. Real Seeds does exactly what it says on the label. They gather up local land race strains from their point of origin and then sell you those without working them. If you want the strait land race experience go with them, but I'm not sure that's what you are really looking for if you are worried about things like hermies, mutants and funky taste. Ace's selection will be vastly superior in this regard.

I've never grown the Ace discount mix so I can't comment on it, but I have grown out many of their inbred land race lines and all of them have been excellent. It really depends on what you are looking for, but if you just want a good pure sativa go with Ace or Cannabiogen. If you want an original unworked land race line go with Real Seeds.

 

[baduy]

RSC sinai Chitrali and Lebanon are plants which grow by themselves, very easy and very hermie resistant but your plant could be high CBD, high THC or 50/50, they never been selected by choosing the most potents but the most resinous, they are great outdoor plants but never selected for indoor growing so more tricky than ACE or CBG if you grow under lamps.
Regarding others strains offered by RSC, what The Hatter said, not the best for a first time.