Kali China, a breeding tool?

[Cola Candy]

In the Kali China blurb it states the following:

75 % indica / 25 % sativa. F4 stabilized hybrid. (Kali Mist x China Yunnan) x China Yunnan.

Now I am speculating but did they do the following below?

The Kali Mist was crossed with the China Yunnan, giving Kali Mist x China Yunnan and then they took this hybrid and crossed it with the original China Yunnan i.e. a backcross, giving (Kali Mist x China Yunnan) x China Yunnan (lets call this F1). Then they crossed two (Kali Mist x China Yunnan) x China Yunnan plants, giving an F2 progeny and the F2 plants were crossed with each other giving an F3 cross and finally the F3 were crossed once more to give an F4 which through this whole process gives inbred plants to some extent.

Have I got this right or is there another explanation for how this was done? I'm not sure you could call it an IBL or not but due to the inbreeding (again I am assuming this is the case), would this strain be better for crossing with other strains than an F1 hybrid cross, like say Orient Express?

 

[dubi]

Hi Cola Candy,

Kali China official description has been explained in detail (also in other posts here in our room) and it's accurate. Kali China lines 21 and 22 are already quite uniform F4s, both perform in a very predictable way, producing uniform plants with already fixed distinctive traits (plant structure, flowering times, appearance, overall feeling of the strain, etc ...), the terpene profile is very very complex, mixing many kind of aromas so there's always a slight variability in this sense, some have slightly more clear effect, others slightly more relaxed, small subtle differences you will find in any family, but you would be able to recognize that they all come from the same stabilized line doing a blind test of different parental plants .

It can be worked further, indeed after doing a big selection in the previous months i'm ready to produce a more stable and hopefully better F5 generation. I think i will leave her at F5 generation, just trying to find the best combination of parental plants but i don't want to breed her further to F6,F7 and so on ... i don't want to lose vigour, health, yield, potency due excessive inbreeding, i think at F5 the line will reach its genetic peak.

Regarding using Kali China as a breeding tool, i would clearly say yes. It's a very useful breeding tool.

I have outcrossed F3 and F4 Kali Chinas with many other unrelated genetics like Nepal Jam, Oldtimer's Haze, Congolese, etc ... always with great results.
Kali China lowers down flowering times and size in hybrids, improves indoor adaptability and adds her great terpene profile.

If you cross a real P1 landrace or real stabilized line with KC 21 or 22 then the result will perform almost like a text book F1, of course if you cross KC with a poly hybrid then there will be pheno variability.

Hope it helps with your doubts.

 

[chilliwilli]

Hi dubi, sorry for digging up that old thread but i think its the right place for my questions.

What effects will kali china add in crosses? Searching the ace homepage i found all kc x sativa crosses have introspective in their description so i think that is one of them. Any others that could pop up more likely in kc x sativa?

My plan is to use the kc to tame the cracy long flowering sativas i got in my fridge. My first try will be with the kerala chellakutti but kullu, kerala gold and burmese are waiting to be grown. Also plan to get some rsc manipuri and mango thai.

Can i expect some stoney like effects? I realy enjoy the crazy racy head high from long flowering sativas and don't want to mess that up.

Thx chilli

 

[vcasqui]

If you just want to reduce flowering times I think I would go for Bangi Haze. She doesn't have the stoney effects you want to avoid, plus she matures quite fast. Also te quality of the resin is great.

In 2016 I had the best plant I've ever had (Bangi Haze). EXTREMELY oily and smelly, EXTREMELLY resistant to mold and pests. She matured in 10'5 weeks and the effect was very racy, hearth pumping and with no Stone at all. Since then I've grown 3 Bangis, noone with the extreme potency/smell/oilyness as the one described, but similar.

Soon I Will have my indoor set up, and for sure I Will make a pheno Hunt to try to find something like the first one I grew.

I know this does not answer you question, but there you go :O

 

[dubi]

Hi chilliwilli,

Kali China effect is calm and physically relaxed, although not a heavy or intoxicating indica, quite the opposite. At the same time it provides bright and warm sensations, it's hard to explaing for me, it's quite meditative, spiritual (if i can use this word) and cerebral with desirable well being sativa qualities, yet not paranoid neither anxious, it just leaves me in the right place It's a very well balanced sativa/indica effect, which together with its rich and complex terpenes profile provides a very special overall experience.

I haven't crossed Kali China or China Yunnan with south indian landrace sativas, but i did with Thais and other tropical sativas from other parts of the world, and the outcome is always very special, like Thai Chi, which for is better than pure Thai and better than straight KC. I'm sure you will be happy with the results if you decide to introduce Kali China into you hybrid breeding with tropical sativas.

 

[chilliwilli]

Thx dubi that is promising.

Think that these sativas benefit from some grounding effects and from your descriptions it sounds like kali china could delivere these.

Also both have hazey or incensy and spicy in the description so think that might also mix well.

I'm already curiouse how the kc kerala chellakutti will turn out

 

[chilliwilli]

Hey dubi or everyone that knows.

Did u ever find some trifoliated plants in the kali china?
I hit my kali china with kerala chellakutti pollen and got 2 trifoliated individuals. Would be nice to have an easy way to find the kerala leaners in the f1 in early veg.

Thx chilliwilli

 

[dubi]

Hi chilliwilli,

Not very frequently, but if you plant enough you will find trifoliate seedlings almost in every line, Bangi Haze is the line i know of that does it more frequently.

Since Kali China has quite wide leaves and a hashplant indica structure, it will be easy to identify how much KC influence your seedlings have, at least growth-wise.

 

[chilliwilli]

Thx man.

Imo the kerala chellakutti is an strong inbreed line. Got some trifoliated nodes on one individual, one branch split on its own and some leaf mutations in early veg.

I think that these are the first trifoliated i grow on my own and i got 2/13 so i'm a little excited.

Yes with leaf shape should be easy to identify what side the plants lean.