JMJ rhymes his way to buds

[Jam Master Jaco]

Yo...yo yo yo I finally got a grow thread so here it goes
i use t8 flouros to veg i don't care if u think it blows
i keep my ph at 5.8 and ppm at 700ish and let the plants grow
I use tap water, pure blend pro, hygrozyme and behold the 'ponic
3rd pic is a seed i found in some dank purple chronic

I've had it now about 8 weeks I hope it's female
I took 6 clones and put em' in a dwc they won't fail
they've been in for 5 days and no roots is the tale
if this plant is male i'm gonna go pale
i already am double thinking this rhyming thing, but i won't bail

so to sum it up first pic is a box that still needs work
2nd and third pics are from my 8 bulb t8 veg box jerk
2nd pic is 15 orange diesels at day 8. i hope ya'll lurk

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

First pic is a 400 watt box work in progress
it's got a light mover for more sucess
back and forth 13 inches, the yield is your guess
i'll get it rocking in 2 months it's a fun quest

440 cfm scrubber, the "super duper" is what i dub her
my ebb n flow tray res' are the maids of rubber
trays are botanicare the fit 8 5x5's
keep watching the thread, i'm posting pics cuz it's live

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

i've had many attempts at growing
the past 2 grows i've learned lots about knowing
keep ph at 5.8 to keep deficiencies from showing
res temps low, ppm 700ish plants'll be green but not glowing
i'm still learnin' so comment in rhyme even if it gets annoying

 

[Jebus11]

Good shit bro! Lol that filter is freaking HUGGGEEE, atleast you know for sure it will get the job done!

GrowOn!

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

this is my veg box
I took this pic while in socks...ok enough rhyming
on the left is a dwc 4 gallon tub with 6 clones from my bagseed plant (fingers crossed for female). they've been in it for 5 days, still no roots showing but they're looking good. in the middle are 8 5x5 pots with 2 seeds per pot. 15 are orange diesels at day 8, in the back is one pine tar kush at day 8 too.

the tray on the right has a chronic bagseed plant at about 8 weeks, other pots contain 4 pine tar kush, all have popped but only 4/5 seeds have sprouts. u can't see the other 3 plants but they are clones from my mexi bagseed i have in flower, i'll show u those pics when the lights come on in about half an hour.

*edit* the 2nd and 3rd trays from the right have the tops of the pots 7 inches down from the lights. the stretch u see on the middle seedlings is cuz i had the lights about 4 inches higher up until 2 days ago. the lights are barely an inch away from the clones in dwc on the left

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

here's the flower box i currently have going. it has 12 t8s in it for a total of 336 watts after ballast factor. i have left empty pots in the tray to keep the most mass in the tray to reduce the amount of water that needs to be pumped into it. it is air cooled through a 4 inch carbon scrubber with a 440 cfm fan with a speed controller on about 2/3s of the way up.

the buds are at day 38. the short plant on the left only had 1 week to root in its growplug before i through it in flower so it is super small compared to the other 2, my guess is i'll get about an eigth dry off of it. of the other 2 plants the one in the front is super sativa, i could probably let it go 12+ weeks but i am impatient and will chop them all at day 56. i have clones rooted in veg of the 2 bigger plants. the second pic is from the biggest of the three plants, i predict it will be the best of the 3.

 

[Bigtimer7]

very nice!!

I like this man! keeo up the good work! rep commin your way

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

Thanks mang.

Of the three plants I have in flower the clone on the left only had one week to root in veg while the other 2 clones had 2 weeks. I should have given them all at least a month, but what I really should have done was given them 2 months so they could fill out their pots. Live and learn.


The chains in the pic are hung from hooks on the top of my box, they make it super easy to lower my plants when they get to close to the light. As you can see the 2 bigger plants are kinda bushy, this is due to my low stress training during the first couple weeks of flower. You can't tell in the pic but the tops of the plants are about 2 inches from the light.

 

[clowntown]

Awwww shit, I've been waiting for this!

 

[clowntown]

Hey JMJ,

Been looking forward to this thread! I knew it was coming!

Real nice equipment you have there; is that a Can-33 filter? And are those "Dutch Leach Trays" from hydro shops? And a Light Rail 3.5? What kinda ballast, bulb, hood, and fan?

How is that PVC frame holding up? Pretty sturdy, or wobbling a little? Looks like you used some cement on the stand for the filter, but not the rest? Did you anchor down these PVC frames to the floor somehow? How stable is the flower room, with the reflector moved to one far end or another?

Ever seen the "Robo-Stik" (or whatever silly-ass name they call it) made by the same company as that Light Rail? It's basically just a piece of metal bar (I believe aluminum) that is bolted onto the motor, to help keep the reflector straight and not spinning / wobbling around. You could easily DIY this by getting a solid piece of material roughly the length of your reflector (or a tad bit shorter), and hanging chains down to it. 2 points of stability rather than 1.

Finally, how do you plan on running the ducting? Holes through the sides of the flower box, or top? If top, I'm curious how you plan on making clearance for the ducting.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[cocktail frank]

whats up JMJ
good to see your back up and running

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

Clowntown,

It's not a can filter it's a Ecoplus 440 cfm filter. It weighs about 60 pounds. As you pointed out I only used glue on the top fittings of the filter tower. The filter tower is not attached to the rest of the framework. It is all very wobbly, but only if it is pushed, with the light mover on everything stays still. The light rail is indeed a 3.5, it has a time delay from 2-30 seconds. right now i have it set to move 13 inches and pause for 9 seconds at each end. The hood is Xtrasun 6 inch, 400w super hortilux bulb on a 400w digi ballast, not sure what company but it is purple. I will show you in later pics how I am hooking up the ducting. it will be pulled through a 440 cfm fan with speed controller. passive air intake. I am going to hook up the 2 six inch passive air intakes to exhaust the veg box, then have 2 other 6 inch passive air intake holes in the veg box.


the dimensions of the space i am flowering under is 43" x 35". the end space under the filter is going to be a shaded drying chamber. the whole flower box is 8' x 3' x 7'. I am putting up the walls at the moment, pics in a few hours

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

When I said pics in a few hours...I lied. First pic you can see pretty much the whole box from top to bottom. I used 3/4" pvc and tees, 16 ten foot sticks and 90 T fittings. The area under the filter will be a shaded drying chamber. the walls are panda film and black duct tape to seal. I have flir blocker that will be going around the whole thing to help keep it light proof. The second pic shows the ducting wall of the box. There will be one six inch duct going from the hood to the fan out the top of the box and 2 passive air 6 inch ducts in the bottom for intake. I won't be putting plants in this box for at least another 6 weeks, I'm letting my ptk and orange diesel veg until I can take at least 2 clones from each plant.








the light rail is hung simply from a piece of wood sitting on top of the frame. I have 8 screws screwed half way in the wood to keep the wood in place in case it is bumped. I will be mounting the fan upside down from this same piece of wood unless I see a better idea.


oh and above the filter I used another foot of pvc pointing straight up so the tallest part of my box is where the filter is cuz heat rises so it will go to the highest part of the box.

the legs of the flower box are 18" high, this is so I have room for resevoirs to be under the box. I made a table out of the same pvc pipe, it is 18" high for the trays.

 

[clowntown]

Nice work. Not concerned about the filter tower somehow one day accidentally tipping over, from being top-heavy? Will you be blowing out into the filter, or sucking in through the filter? If sucking, how will the flower chamber and the drying / filter tower be connected?

I'd love to see more pics of the setup. Great job so far.

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

Nice work. Not concerned about the filter tower somehow one day accidentally tipping over, from being top-heavy? Will you be blowing out into the filter, or sucking in through the filter? If sucking, how will the flower chamber and the drying / filter tower be connected?

I'd love to see more pics of the setup. Great job so far.

I'm not worried about the filter, it's been sitting in place over 3 weeks now and hasn't budged. I'll be sucking air through the filter. the drying chamber is going to be the tower that holds the filter up. I will seal it up with panda film and tape and rig up a door with velcro and an exhaust at the top of the tower and intake at the bottom. more pics of the 400w flower chamber to come but until then check out my orange d they are growing amazingly fast. barely 3 weeks after popping the seeds into growplugs they are all on their 4th sets of nodes except for a runtier one in the back it's only on its 2nd set.



I wasn't expecting orange diesel to be so indica but I'm happy. The phenos I have are indica...and more indica.






The picture under this text is my other tray in the veg box. the huge plant on the right is my super dank chronic bagseed plant, going very nice. The smaller of the plants are the ptk, doing good. The plant with the dead lower leaves in the back is a big cutting I took from the chronic bagseed plant, I had it in a homemade aero cloner for 2 weeks, the dead leaves are due to me letting ph swing and having the 42w cfl fall on top of the leaves for a few hours, but all is well. it's been in the ebb n flow tray for just about a day now, u can't really tell in the pic but there is one other clone right beside it in the same pot. that clone was one of the 6 from my failed dwc cloner, it was the only clone that rooted. it was my fault though, I wasn't checking ph, I only made the cloner cuz i was bored and had extra cuttings so there ya go.


Oh yeah about a week ago I got spider mites! Ahhhhh! I only found em' on 3 plants though, one plant in the back that I hadn't been checking on was totally infested so I threw the whole plant out. The other plants I rinsed off with a soapy solution then I went out and bought Einstein oil. Over the past 3 days I've given every plant a good thorough misting of Einstein oil, it's been 2 days since I saw the last mite. I will continue to mist with Einstein oil every other day for the next couple weeks cuz I hate bugs.


*edit* I had been using tap water but I went out to home depot and bought a heavy duty GE filter, it's supposed to be a filter that goes down line of a water softener but I think it will help prevent any odd problems from sprouting up. It brings my ppm down from about 400 to 308ish and the water is noticeably more clear out of the filter, so I'm happy I bought it. no more straight tap for my plants.

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

so yeah the dwc cloner that was sitting in my box is now gone. All the cuttings were still alive, only 2 were showing roots. I took the healthiest one and potted it, the rest I tossed. My aero cloner that I had going for the past 10 days worked great though, so as far as cloning goes I'm sticking with aero. pics of my DIY aero cloner to come later.


*edit* Question for ya'll: I plan on chopping 2 of the three plants that are currently at week 7 of flower sometime in the next 10 days. they are in ebb n flow. do you think I could transplant the one sativa plant into a dwc bucket and let it go another few weeks or will the transplant from ebb to dwc at week 7 of flower shock the shit out of it? *edit #2* nevermind that transplant question, I am going to build a single pot ebb n flow tray so I can let that sativa flower for at least another 4 weeks

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

Some flower pics. These pics are of the more indica of the 3 plants I have going right now. I tried taking some close up pics but my camera is too shitty. I plan on chopping this plant in about 6 days. I have been flushing it for the past week.







As you can see in the leaves these plants have some stress. Day time temps have run about 90 degrees steady for all of flower, lights off temp 78-80. The high day time temps in this flouro box are due to my improper ventilation design. but hey at least the plants are flowering.

the design flaw is due to weight of the filter and the unstable wood design due to my shitty carpentry skills I can only get the filter at the half way to the top of the box for vent. heat rises, so 90 degrees of heat always manages to stay in despite the attempt at proper exhaust. the 400w tent has a much better design (in my opinion) and will not have a heat issue. pics soon

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

alrighty guys time for an update of my veg box. first thing I want to say is "holy hell orange diesel grows uncontrollably fast". I never thought quick growth would be a bad thing, and it really isn't, but jesus christ these things grow outwards by at least a quarter inch ALL THE WAY AROUND and EVERY DAY!!!!! absolutely amazing, I leave for work, come back, and see bigger leaves, longer stems, and longer branches.

here's the front of the orange D tray, one of the jugs on the right is 4 orange d clones in growplugs, the other is 5 chronic bagseed clones in growplugs, just cut em' today. oh and I topped about 5 orange D plants that were growing out of control:


Here's a shot of the orange D in the back of the same tray. in this pic you can see the few orange d's that are showing some signs of stress. I think most of the spots you see on the leaves are due to me using too much neem oil in an attempt to kill spider mites I found about 8 days ago, it's been 5 days since I saw my last mite hooray!:




here's a closeup pic of one of the orange d that I topped, look how hollow that main stem is! these things are just sucking up the nutes!



this is the other tray in my veg box. front left is PTK planted the same time as the orange d, look how damn small it is in comparison to the orange d in the above pics. front right plant is a chronic bagseed plant that I topped, it has been vegging now for about 3 months:



Here's what's in the back of that same tray. Front left is 2 stressed out clones from that chronic bagseed plant, they've been in growplugs in the ebb n flow pot for about 3 weeks now. the plant on the right is another ptk, and the plant in the back is a clone of the fattest of the three mexican bagseed I have flowering (see above post) i took the clone in flower that's why it looks all mutated, it's been vegging about 4 weeks:




I haven't worked on my 400watt tent at all, althought I have bought more tape and panda film, I've just been preoccupied with the veg box and the plants in flower under flouros. I built another one pot ebb n flow tray for my sativa in flower so I can let it go 14 weeks while I chop the rest at 9 weeks. Yes I know I said I was going to chop the plants at 8 weeks but I decided to give em the extra week because I took a sample bud 2 days ago and it tasted like hay and did not get me high. so week 9 will be about 11 days further along then the tester bud so i hope 9 weeks is enough for these things to get me high, but like I said i am going to let the sativa one go 14 weeks because those buds look immature but keep getting fatter and fatter and fatter so by 14 weeks I think I'll get a solid ounce off the sativa which will be enough to hold me over until I flower out the orange D in the soon to be complete 400w tent.

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

Well guys it is simply too hot for me to turn on my 400 watter for at least another month...so what do you do when you have a bunch of too big plants and a month to spare? Take clones.

This should be my most successful round of clones ever because I went out of my way to do everything right. I rinsed my growplugs in tap water before rinsing them in ph balanced water that contained superthrive and liquid kharma (350 ppm). I used a sharp clean blade to take the clones which I cut as close to a 45 degree angle as possible. I misted them with some Dutchmaster liquid light foliar spray. I took at least 2 clones of every plant because I have never had worse then a 75% clone ratio in growplugs. Here's hopin' they are all a success.



and here's shot of the veg box after taking clones. (the light is slanted in the pic, I lowered the left side to make it level. I had it raised so I could cut the clones)

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

a lil no pic update

a lil no pic update

Well i found spider mites on my flowering plants. worst was the sativa which had some webbing on the lower leaves (very small webbing but webbing nonethess) so i misted em' with smc. i'm gonna harvest the other 2 plants in about 8 days and will not mist them again. the sativa is gonna get more mistings of einstein oil cuz i'm letting that plant go 14-15 weeks. i kinda regret using smc on the flower plants cuz it smells more chemical then the einstein oil but oh well. i'll wait till tomorrow and mist only the sativa with some einstein oil. then again when i harvest the other 2 plants. then once more after that. after that point i could care less about the spider mites cuz i won't be using that flower box ever again.



oh and per another growers advice i closed the 2 vent holes on the top of my humidome. and I misted the sides of the dome with plain water so as to keep humidity up. i won't mist the plants with more dutchmaster liquid light for another 2 days