Jamaican plants r puzzling me

[BluEBLaZeS]

Hey guys I need some help.

A deficiency possibly...I added 1/4 cup of vigro bloodmeal to the plants. The soil is wet according to the meter I got, but the top soil say about 2 inches is dry to the touch..Not sure if it's me or the meter. It's in Scott's potting soil and i threw in some perlite.

All the plants are under a 1000K light, are 4 weeks old since germ, just switched to 1000K 10 days ago, and ever since I put them in their they have looked unhealthy. Previously they were under 4 100 watt floros.

Before switching to 1000K, I transplanted from small pots to 1 gals. 3 plants out of 7 died. I used vigro transplant solution

As for watering, regular fox farm nutes for vegging. The 3rd day of 1000K seemed like it was crisping the leaves. I thought it was cuz i'd mist them, so I stopped. Then i moved the light 8 inches away. Still it was shitty and goin worse, so I just watered plain water.

I've watered with just water for 7 days hoping that it would show different signs. Also, I kept my waterings to a minimum, I waited to water when the meter said the soil was moist, because I really wanted to throw in some vigro bloodmeal. So it's wet at the moment, but not wet that you can see it, just cuz the meter says..

 

[SEEDYNONO]

1/4 cup of bloodmeal?!?

that's way too much.. i usually add a few table spoons per cubic foot and same with bonemeal.

and you're feeding them more ff nutes?

i think you over ammended the soil and you just probably have terrible skills when it comes to transplanting. all it takes is gently moving the plant from one container to another. did you break off a bunch of roots or something?

i also say forget your 'water meter' just use the lift-the-pot method of measuring the weight of the pots when completely dry versus completely wet and then you only water when the pots go dry. overwatering will lead to problems quickly.. remember the plants 'breath' oxygen through the roots too and they can't do that drenched in water all the time.

i say go ahead and remix a new batch of soil. chill out with the bloodmeal add maybe a tiny bit and maybe some lime if you want to watch your ph. then transplant these plants into the next mix and try to CAREFULLY 'loosen' the root balls and shake off as much of the old soil as possible before you stick em in the new stuff.

also watch yourself with that 1000 w light on tiny plant like this. make sure its not too close and that you have good ventilation and air movement happening around the plants.

 

[SEEDYNONO]

another thing i noticed is the scotts soil. what state do you live in??

i know here in texas scotts actually sells a different mix of soil than other parts of the country and its chocked full of pine bark! terrible for mj growing and ph balancing!

check your scotts bag closely and read all the fine print on the back. see if the ingridients look like good stuff and not 'forest products' or 'bark'. if you've got either of those in it you need to just buy a different kind of soil.

 

[BluEBLaZeS]

some roots broke, well because I used gatorade bottles and somehow the way they are shaped fucked everything up.

and no i'm not using any ff nutes at this point realizing the plants are in a bit of trouble..

remix the soil? any other ideas than just remix the soil?

 

[BluEBLaZeS]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688

it's a nitrogen deficiency.
I should pretty much transfer to another pot, much more carefully this time..this'll set things back but still salvage the situation with maybe 1 death.

 

[inc0gnit0]

That's no N defeciency. Nute burn all the way pal. Translpant to a kinder soil or flush the hell out of 'em.

 

[teddybud]

That's no N defeciency. Nute burn all the way pal. Translpant to a kinder soil or flush the hell out of 'em.

thats what I'm thinking.... what are the temps of your setup? also with the nuit burn the damaged leafs don't recover.

 

[BluEBLaZeS]

Watered the shit out of the plants.

The water that came out was yellowish!
The color of the transplant solution.
watered it till it was clear and threw it into the room again..

Thanks on this one.

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[glock23]

That yellow is the color of dilute blood my man. you've basically given em a nitrogen overdose. hopefully they recover after the leaching. keep us updated!

 

[sproutco]

another thing i noticed is the scotts soil. what state do you live in??

i know here in texas scotts actually sells a different mix of soil than other parts of the country and its chocked full of pine bark! terrible for mj growing and ph balancing!

check your scotts bag closely and read all the fine print on the back. see if the ingridients look like good stuff and not 'forest products' or 'bark'. if you've got either of those in it you need to just buy a different kind of soil.

Nothing wrong with pinebark. I have used 1/2 pinebark 1/2 perlite before as a soil mix. You have to add some lime just like when use peatmoss because it is acidic. A common suggestion is to use 35% pinebark in your soil mix. It has a benefit of suppressing root rot disease. The rest of your answer is excellent Seedynono. Follow his suggestions and repot with unamended soil, lifting the pot to see if it is wet, etc...

 

[SEEDYNONO]

Nothing wrong with pinebark. I have used 1/2 pinebark 1/2 perlite before as a soil mix. You have to add some lime just like when use peatmoss because it is acidic. A common suggestion is to use 35% pinebark in your soil mix. It has a benefit of suppressing root rot disease. The rest of your answer is excellent Seedynono. Follow his suggestions and repot with unamended soil, lifting the pot to see if it is wet, etc...

i had terrible ph problems with my first grow due to the acid from scotts bark.. i had ammended with lime and adjusted my water but it wasn't doing the trick. i just had super slow growth and twisted leaves. the bark was also a pain in the ass to get out of the roots when i moved them into a better mix. i just figured it was a bad medium for mj. kinda amazed that you got it to work well.

 

[sproutco]

Big draw back with bark is that it will tie up ammonia nitrogen. Really not a problem because hopefully you will be using nitrate nitrogen for your plants. Alot of big nurserys use 100% bark for their soil.

 

[BluEBLaZeS]

Bombaclot, I done fixed them!!

Bombaclot, I done fixed them!!

Thanks to everyone on this thread...here is an update as to what they look like..
i flushed out the soil with 1 gallon of water, which was enough...
PH went down to between 6 and 5, put some hydrated lime, and they are doin great!

These are the same ones 2 one that were dying...great turnaround, what a plant!

At least I have 5 more to transfer into 1 gallons, and hopefully I don't hurt them like i did the last time...

 

[glock23]

Looking good! Go easy on the nutes from now on bro.

 

[BluEBLaZeS]

New question, how much longer shall i veg these babies? I'm lookin at maybe 3 more weeks? I want 6 footers, I want at least 3 oz per plant...
Looks more of these plants may be male because of their fat fan leaves...
what you think?
one love

 

[glock23]

if u want 6 footers, u need to veg to 3 feet. you're looking at approx. 2 months IMO. the width of the fan leaves have absolutely nothing to do with gender.

 

[motaco]

pine bark is terribly acidic. looks like primo soil though. that was the very first growing lesson I ever learned when I was 15.

otherwise it looks like nute burn. that plant is pretty small for nutes yet and jamaicans don't fert much anyway. so go easy on em.

also remember the drier the soil, the more the nutes will negatively affect the plants if they are over ferted.

mandala mike has some very good grow tips in his forum if your interested.


also six footers are a bad use of light. an even canopy of planned budsites is best. you might wanna brush up on some grow diaries, get some feeling of time frames and growth rates.

 

[BluEBLaZeS]

thanks for the heads up glockand motaco.
will definatly post some more pics once i've decided, or better yet, let the viewer decide when i should start flowering..

 

[hags09bd]

yo im glad you got that problem solved they look better... my plants look good but i need a light seriously and am lacking funds so until i get that im not sure how my shit is gonna turn out but they are looking good so far. later

 

[BluEBLaZeS]

All from H.depot, under 100$..
got the light fixture for bathroom, 4 floro bulbs, 100 watt each, 1 wood plank, and a plug.


Include a rubbermaid, and it's a veg chamber.