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Its this easy to get a warrent
- Thread starter Mickymouse
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http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/03/invoice_from_firm_that_adverti.html
High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas
The High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas (HIDTA) program enhances and coordinates drug control efforts among local, State, and Federal law enforcement agencies. The program provides agencies with coordination, equipment, technology, and additional resources to combat drug trafficking and its harmful consequences in critical regions of the United States.
http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/HIDTA/
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The most likely bottom line here is that someone ratted Mayo out to the local cops, whom turned to the Feds looking for information on him. The Feds provided info. from a program that is supposedly in place to stop traffickers. Mayo is a "trafficker"?
High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas
The High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas (HIDTA) program enhances and coordinates drug control efforts among local, State, and Federal law enforcement agencies. The program provides agencies with coordination, equipment, technology, and additional resources to combat drug trafficking and its harmful consequences in critical regions of the United States.
http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/HIDTA/
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The most likely bottom line here is that someone ratted Mayo out to the local cops, whom turned to the Feds looking for information on him. The Feds provided info. from a program that is supposedly in place to stop traffickers. Mayo is a "trafficker"?
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Bud Greenleaf
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It's sad that this man got arrested, but he's a great example of the reality that not all potheads are 'dazed and confused' teenage losers. 24 years as a highly respected journalist, family man, homeowner.
Let's not forget poor Mickeymouse is still trying to justify his giving permission to search his crib with the fantasy that 'they'd have gotten a warrant anyway'. OP still won't acknowledge that the difference between himself and Mr. Mayo is that Mr. Mayo has standing to challenge the legality of the search, and it's possible he may still beat this thing. On the other hand, if the cops decide to file charges against OP, they'd just present his signed permission to search paper and the evidence comes in.
BTW Mickey, I must say this story is 3 months old. I'm sure I've read more recent stories about easily obtained search warrants. I even recently read one that made me think of you...the cops went and did a knock and talk and the resident refused entry, so they went and got a search warrant, raided the place, and found a grow. It was in FL in the recent statewide sweep, so if you search that one may help you reinforce your self justification for signing that permission form. Then again, the FL man also has standing to challenge the legality of the warrant which he wouldn't had he just given permission to search.
Let's not forget poor Mickeymouse is still trying to justify his giving permission to search his crib with the fantasy that 'they'd have gotten a warrant anyway'. OP still won't acknowledge that the difference between himself and Mr. Mayo is that Mr. Mayo has standing to challenge the legality of the search, and it's possible he may still beat this thing. On the other hand, if the cops decide to file charges against OP, they'd just present his signed permission to search paper and the evidence comes in.
BTW Mickey, I must say this story is 3 months old. I'm sure I've read more recent stories about easily obtained search warrants. I even recently read one that made me think of you...the cops went and did a knock and talk and the resident refused entry, so they went and got a search warrant, raided the place, and found a grow. It was in FL in the recent statewide sweep, so if you search that one may help you reinforce your self justification for signing that permission form. Then again, the FL man also has standing to challenge the legality of the warrant which he wouldn't had he just given permission to search.
Mickymouse
Member
Funny it was in today headlines check the date.Story started 3 months ago still going on.Your Still not reading the post I guess.If you would have read it you would see he lost.As for me they left and never contacted me again.Still could happen I guess.But my guess is they wont.I was legal just a few plants over I had nothing to hide.When they left they told me to keep it at legal limit.Im on 3 week of 12/12 as of today.If I wasnt I wouldnt have let them in.Thats right you dont read that part of the post I guess. I Lost a few plants Iv grown 100s so a few is meaningless.Your probadly not legal and have everything to hide.If anyone ever had a challange to a warrent it was this guy and he lost.I was just showing how easy it is to get one and make it stick.The cops made up shit and got away with it.I said nothing about my case and that this is related to it.If the cops go to the trouble to get a warrent and a judge signs it they are going to do it legaly most of the time.By the way what is OP
80sMeltDown
New member
Ok, it's been a while, so forgive me if my time frame
is off a little. Back in the early 80s every person who was a member of the Hydroponic Association of America,
in which Advertised in High Times were raided. Every Fucken Member. Some of you old folks may remember the exact details. Every Member!
Thanks,
80sMeltDown
is off a little. Back in the early 80s every person who was a member of the Hydroponic Association of America,
in which Advertised in High Times were raided. Every Fucken Member. Some of you old folks may remember the exact details. Every Member!
Thanks,
80sMeltDown
Not true. He can appeal it to the State Supreme Court, the Federal Circuit Court, and ultimately the US Supreme Court. He has a very good chance of it being thrown out at the state level, which is much better than no chance.
If you think because the cops didnt arrest you at the time and because you havent heard from them that nothing will happen you are sadly mistaken. They know who you are, they know you're not going anywhere and they have the evidence. Anytime, even a year from now, when they don't have anything to do they can come arrest you. Whether they will or not who knows, but the thought will always be in the back of your mind.
I knew a guy that sold half pound to a cop. They arrested him but did not charge him at the time. 6 months went by and he heard nothing and figured the cops forgot about him. One night a knock on his door and away he went.
But you did have something to hide, you were over your limit which is why you are spending the energy trying to tell yourself nothing will happen.
i'll reassert again PoPo knocks on door he isnt kicking door in so i let him knock when his partner is out gettn a judge to sign the warrent and then comes back to serve such warrent. i Maj.PotHead will destroy the whole Fn show baby bank on it when they bust in or i let them in with warrent in hand. my grow will no longer exsist no evidance nothing. only thing that will exsist is the lights which are not illegal
it takes more then 5 mins to obtain a judge for a warrent, judge isnt in the car when COPS A KNOCKN.
americans police love to make us believe we as americans have no rights because the police are on the scene. it's upto us as americans to remember we do have certin rights as citizens and yes alot of the time police must be reminded. reminded that we as american citizens have certin rights of protection we dont live in russia or 1930's nazi germany.
we live in america land of the free home of the brave
i'm free because i refuse to conform i live the way i wish and how i wish answering to only me and the wife and when i die the Creator of all
yes almost forgot MM cops have 1 year 1 day to charge you with a crime in the us several yrs ago good friend of mine was busted 6oz 4 in 1 bag 2 in another 1 nice plant in a photron from HT. also had an assult rifile a mac90 and a sawd off double barrel just legal length barrel taken. they smashed his builbs took weapons plant and pot in bags, his 1yr 1day went buy and wasnt never charged. still to this day he hasnt been charged he had 1 prior for 2 bags they did charge him on before his second bust. he fell through the cracks maybe you'll get lucky also
it takes more then 5 mins to obtain a judge for a warrent, judge isnt in the car when COPS A KNOCKN.
americans police love to make us believe we as americans have no rights because the police are on the scene. it's upto us as americans to remember we do have certin rights as citizens and yes alot of the time police must be reminded. reminded that we as american citizens have certin rights of protection we dont live in russia or 1930's nazi germany.
we live in america land of the free home of the brave
i'm free because i refuse to conform i live the way i wish and how i wish answering to only me and the wife and when i die the Creator of all
yes almost forgot MM cops have 1 year 1 day to charge you with a crime in the us several yrs ago good friend of mine was busted 6oz 4 in 1 bag 2 in another 1 nice plant in a photron from HT. also had an assult rifile a mac90 and a sawd off double barrel just legal length barrel taken. they smashed his builbs took weapons plant and pot in bags, his 1yr 1day went buy and wasnt never charged. still to this day he hasnt been charged he had 1 prior for 2 bags they did charge him on before his second bust. he fell through the cracks maybe you'll get lucky also
SmokyMtnToker
Member
The invoices were NOT all the evidence!!
The invoices were NOT all the evidence!!
From the report:
" Investigators' conclusions were based "entirely on circumstantial observations of condensation on windows and mold on the outside siding, and a high electric bill," said Block, adding that investigators never witnessed or were informed of criminal activity at Mayo's home."
And get a load of this; some cop thinks that a mere suspicion is enough!! Sick.:
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A certain amount of hearsay can be admitted when seeking a warrant, he said, and speaking about Block's complaint about a lack of direct evidence, Benson drew an analogy to a murder case.
"You don't usually see the murder, you see a whole bunch of clues," he said. "We didn't see the drugs, but would an ordinary person look at all these clues and go, 'Yeah, kind of looks like he was growing drugs?' That's sufficient for a search warrant and that's what circumstantial evidence is all about."
" Yeah..kind of looks like..." KIND OF LOOKS LIKE? That is NOT prbable cause!! KNOWLEDGE is NOT ' kind of looks like'.
But Mayon DID have high electric, MOLD, and the judge that signed the warrant was no doubt a typical low level circuit judge that always lets the higher courts decide against the state...typical and unConstitutional..
The invoices were NOT all the evidence!!
From the report:
" Investigators' conclusions were based "entirely on circumstantial observations of condensation on windows and mold on the outside siding, and a high electric bill," said Block, adding that investigators never witnessed or were informed of criminal activity at Mayo's home."
And get a load of this; some cop thinks that a mere suspicion is enough!! Sick.:
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A certain amount of hearsay can be admitted when seeking a warrant, he said, and speaking about Block's complaint about a lack of direct evidence, Benson drew an analogy to a murder case.
"You don't usually see the murder, you see a whole bunch of clues," he said. "We didn't see the drugs, but would an ordinary person look at all these clues and go, 'Yeah, kind of looks like he was growing drugs?' That's sufficient for a search warrant and that's what circumstantial evidence is all about."
" Yeah..kind of looks like..." KIND OF LOOKS LIKE? That is NOT prbable cause!! KNOWLEDGE is NOT ' kind of looks like'.
But Mayon DID have high electric, MOLD, and the judge that signed the warrant was no doubt a typical low level circuit judge that always lets the higher courts decide against the state...typical and unConstitutional..
Ajunta Pall
Member
It doesn't work quite like that. If you have a state case you can not try to take it to the federal courts.
If he is convicted at his state's circuit court level, he then can appeal to his state's appellate court, which will review his case. A court date will be had for his attorney to enter new evidence/arguments. A panel of judges will hear the merits of whatever is entered, then adjourn to discuss it. From there some time later they will render a verdict. From there the defendant can appeal to his state's supreme court. If they deny his appeal then it is a done deal. Unless by some remote chance the US Supreme Court decides to entertain it.
sweetaction
Member
well as pot smoker or supports this is something you will have to way in on also hey had a paper trail if you read forums here that's a no no also 200 plants ... that's way more than personal consumption you run the risk
SmokyMtnToker
Member
Ajunta: you contradict yourself: first you say that : " If you have a state case you can not try to take it to the federal courts".
Then you admit: " Unless by some remote chance the US Supreme Court decides to entertain it. " How could the Supreme Court decide to take a case that has not been brought to it on appeal? You CAN take a case to federal court for many reason, most of which will not get results. but in a question of Constitutional law, one can appeal to a federal court when the state options have run out. it may not be successful, but it CAN be done.
Then you admit: " Unless by some remote chance the US Supreme Court decides to entertain it. " How could the Supreme Court decide to take a case that has not been brought to it on appeal? You CAN take a case to federal court for many reason, most of which will not get results. but in a question of Constitutional law, one can appeal to a federal court when the state options have run out. it may not be successful, but it CAN be done.
Ajunta Pall
Member
Boy for a know it all type of guy, you misused the word appeal. Once the Appeals Court hands down a verdict to your case, then you have been APPEALED. Technically you PETITION the Supreme Court (State and Federal) because they have no obligation to even hear your case. If your State Supreme Court refuses to hear your case, then the last step would be to Petition the US Supreme Court because that court is the highest in the land. And you're alleging that your state has violated your constitutional rights. For example, when the lethal injection was being debated if it were a cruel or unusual punishment administered by whatever state.
I don't contridict myself you smug little man, because if you paid attention during Government Class you would know that the US Supreme Court presides over every court in the land. State Supreme Courts must bow to their rulings. Not the other way around.
Furthermore, charges brought by the state, stay in state courts, because they were filed by the state. State courts and Federal courts are seperate entities. Trying to get your state case heard in the US Supreme court is not taking it to the federal level, by the way.
