Is this Colombian Black?

[Lugo]

I grew this plant before my son was born here on the farm in Colombia from seed. Everything was from seed, I hadn't even bothered with cloning. The only way I actually found it (after a couple of HD incidents) was because I posted it here in 2014(?) otherwise the image would have been lost forever (thanks IC Mag).

Ive only seen something similar to this 1 other time, in a magazine (dont memba which) decades ago and it was identified as just Colombian and was being grown on a rooftop or patio, in buckets by some dudes that look like ZZ Top. No joke, I thought it might've been them jaja

Also with this plant I did something a bit odd with the lighting so I imagined that I might have caused this; what I thought then, was a mutation, instead of a pheno. Also I did not top it.

Still don't know.

 

[funkyhorse]

Colombian Black Bastard by Gage Green Genetics
Highless weed
Hash made from this is also highless, beautiful plant with lack of any high

 

[funkyhorse]

Llanera TLT girl 1
Horrible smells, terrible
Highless weed. Hash made with it dont hit

 

[goingrey]

@funkyhorse Maybe it has a good amount of CBD? Would be interesting to test it.

 

[funkyhorse]

Llanera girl 2 did have a little rot
High was meh, didnt finnish the jar of any of them

Llanera girl 3
I also had 2 boys. 5 plants all of them look totally different structurally, flower different and give totally different terpene profiles. None of them is decent, thats the only thing in common

 

[funkyhorse]

@funkyhorse Maybe it has a good amount of CBD? Would be interesting to test it.

I had no way of measuring CBD, these are not hashplants but I made all of them hash because they were highless buds
They flower from autumm equinox to winter solstice
Maybe they are CBD plants, but I bought a pure colombian sativa which is supposedly the strongest colombian they have and I got hybridized highless weed, it hits similar to their highless Mangobiche, this is placebo of ganja

 

[Lugo]

Llanera TLT girl 1
Horrible smells, terrible
Highless weed. Hash made with it dont hit
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This is what happens when people "breed" color for market. Nevermind that there are clueless, legal,Colombian Cannabis "breeders" inventing all types of untraceable, no lineage known BS. Alot of these "landrace" outfits might even be buying (might? ) crap from here and reselling it out there to some nincompoop. Its not ALL bad here btw but most of it is garbage from the legal side down.

That right there looks like roadside ferral weed honestly, boggles the mind that people are breeding with that.

 

[funkyhorse]

@funkyhorse Maybe it has a good amount of CBD? Would be interesting to test it.

I have been thinking about it and I think you are right
It is very interesting how easy is to spot things when your emotions are not involved but how difficult it is to see it when you worked with a plant for more than 6 months to achieve such poor results and the emotions you might have from it. I have seen this happening with other growers as well

What I grew from GGG are the bastards series, and now that I understand what it means I think is very poor breeding, the father was probably some hashplant and a possible outcome of such cross is highless weed or a hashplant at best. Such crosses are lotteries, you never know what the possible outcome might be

The original stock from GGG and all the naming hype comes from here, in the 20th century the colombians I smoked were synesthesia opening weed, a mild entheogen which enhanced senses and colours, in the 21st century I see people want to see the enhanced colours in the plants and the high is washed down and no more a mild entheogen

Colombian Black (Breeder Choice Organisation) :: Cannabis Strain Info

Field collected in December 2002 from farmed Local lines in the 'llanos orientales' region in Colombia by Breeders Choice member 'Aldous'.The original seed lot received from Colombia is being stored for future open pollinations of the line for preser...

en.seedfinder.eu

 

[Lugo]

I have been thinking about it and I think you are right
It is very interesting how easy is to spot things when your emotions are not involved but how difficult it is to see it when you worked with a plant for more than 6 months to achieve such poor results and the emotions you might have from it. I have seen this happening with other growers as well

What I grew from GGG are the bastards series, and now that I understand what it means I think is very poor breeding, the father was probably some hashplant and a possible outcome of such cross is highless weed or a hashplant at best. Such crosses are lotteries, you never know what the possible outcome might be

The original stock from GGG and all the naming hype comes from here, in the 20th century the colombians I smoked were synesthesia opening weed, a mild entheogen which enhanced senses and colours, in the 21st century I see people want to see the enhanced colours in the plants and the high is washed down and no more a mild entheogen

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I have been thinking about it and I think you are right
It is very interesting how easy is to spot things when your emotions are not involved but how difficult it is to see it when you worked with a plant for more than 6 months to achieve such poor results and the emotions you might have from it. I have seen this happening with other growers as well

What I grew from GGG are the bastards series, and now that I understand what it means I think is very poor breeding, the father was probably some hashplant and a possible outcome of such cross is highless weed or a hashplant at best. Such crosses are lotteries, you never know what the possible outcome might be

The original stock from GGG and all the naming hype comes from here, in the 20th century the colombians I smoked were synesthesia opening weed, a mild entheogen which enhanced senses and colours, in the 21st century I see people want to see the enhanced colours in the plants and the high is washed down and no more a mild entheogen

Colombian Black (Breeder Choice Organisation) :: Cannabis Strain Info

Field collected in December 2002 from farmed Local lines in the 'llanos orientales' region in Colombia by Breeders Choice member 'Aldous'.The original seed lot received from Colombia is being stored for future open pollinations of the line for preser...

en.seedfinder.eu

Reading that supposed report from 2002 and I notice that of course theres no date. That page wasn't even around in 2002 yet the reference can be posted or put up retroactively so they can put 2002 or 1982 it doesn't really matter. Its like Wikipedia, people rewrite or just plain invent history not by changing or altering it in the present, no, its more effective to place the lie in the past so people can assume thats the way it is because thats the way its been.

 

[Charles-scott]

I got some seeds that I am told were bred from landrace teams stock this year I have had the seeds a few years and it was the surprise of the season Kevin Jodrey and I had both smoked Vichada Black at different periods of time in the Same village on the Boarder between Venezuela and Colombia.
So both of us had exposure to the strain this experience in one of the most remote parts of Colombia made me want to source the genetics, What I was sent is 100% non Hybrid equatorial genetics it grows like its been heavily selected (inbred) the Plants I grew had no Purple or Black phenotypes and only about 10% of the flowers we had in Colombia showed the color.
But the Colombian black was the huge surprise of all the new seeds I germinated I grew them next to 2 lines of SMCG 2 lines of MG and other heirloom genetics.
They were not treated very well to be honest and stood up to every issue we had like a strain from an extreme environment, They were taking everything like Champs, But the huge shock was in the Smoke the marina Boys from NYC the Cuban Black and Piff crew loved the Colombian black more than anything as does Garnet my right-hand man put it in a class with Orange peako cambodian .
It showed 2 pheno types like many Colombian and Mexican strains as mentioned they were slow growing
But produced some very trichromatic ladies of the Highest Order , with an earthy sweet flavor that reminds we of what I would expect if I merged a viet or Lao strain and Colombian Punta rojo / SMCG ish type of profile certainly not sweet like a Mango biche .
I expected it to be a potential waste of time and was shocked initially with just how it stood up to environmental stressors
I have some more whole plant pics on a phone .
I produced some f-1 hybrids using my Acapulco Gold males which I think will really open up these plants and produce some very nice f-1 hybrids .
Those seeds are growing now
Cheers

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Llanera TLT girl 1
Horrible smells, terrible
Highless weed. Hash made with it dont hit
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What would you liken the smell to funkyhorse please.(lrt type)..Just trying to get an idea of what its like... Lots of the Colombian black going around was from the same seeds the bco....with each now going in their individual directions. I think ggg was from a different source. In the ggg black I did see people with some rare plants going 30 weeks and still looking freesh and flowering.

 

[Charles-scott]

Lugo i have to assume you are talking about me when you say "I can't believe people are breeding with this " Bro Kevin Jodrey and The Marina boys tried my Colombian Black with no pretense and thought it was some fire flower and it was fully seeded, It is what it is, Many times people will try to cash in on a name I had no idea of what to expect and every single person who tried it loves it. The pic you showed on ICmag looks very much like the most dominant pheno in the seeds we grew,The other being more Like a CPR type of main Dom Cola structure but both were very slow-growing, medium Long flowering, I dont know the exact source of the seeds except landrace team was mentioned, But the Vichada Black on the Boarder is the main strain in that region I have pictures from the area I was mainly trying to slay Peacock bass and Vampire fish and that is what we smoked and it was way the fuck better than CPR or MB I got anywhere in Colombia before or after to some degree I can only say what something is given to me as let every credible smoker try it and validate its being a great fucking plant and share the information with others.
I dont really understand statements like " I cant believe people are breeding with that " you have not smoked that or even tried it , it seems like GGG put out some shitty stuff and you are making some assumptions and judgements , if it turned out to be crap I would have said so and certainly not shared it for opinions with some of the top guys in the USA
Stay Blessed if you want to go check out the area let me know you can source the seeds directly for the community and grow and smoke it and not base opinions on what others wrote about a old GGG release hit me if you want the connect the area is super cheap
Stay blessed Brother
CDS

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I grew this plant before my son was born here on the farm in Colombia from seed. Everything was from seed, I hadn't even bothered with cloning. The only way I actually found it (after a couple of HD incidents) was because I posted it here in 2014(?) otherwise the image would have been lost forever (thanks IC Mag).

Ive only seen something similar to this 1 other time, in a magazine (dont memba which) decades ago and it was identified as just Colombian and was being grown on a rooftop or patio, in buckets by some dudes that look like ZZ Top. No joke, I thought it might've been them jaja

Also with this plant I did something a bit odd with the lighting so I imagined that I might have caused this; what I thought then, was a mutation, instead of a pheno. Also I did not top it.

Still don't know.

They look nice...Very interesting...would be cool to see a few of these grown out over a season full size...should be able to tell more about them like that.

 

[funkyhorse]

What would you liken the smell to funkyhorse please.(lrt type)..Just trying to get an idea of what its like... Lots of the Colombian black going around was from the same seeds the bco....with each now going in their individual directions. I think ggg was from a different source. In the ggg black I did see people with some rare plants going 30 weeks and still looking freesh and flowering.

The smell I got from the TLT release it was well described in this post, this is the closest description I could ever find for it

Posted by Aldous 09-23-03 @ OG:
"Oriental Plains (llanos orientales):
"You can find here many types of sativas,my favorites being the black colombian.Same as the other sativas,it developed really thin leaves (maybe because of the heat and amount of light).Very,very dark in color.Almost black.That´s why it´s called "CAFUCHE".Not very good in taste or smell(it´s like the hairy armpits of an overworked colombian hooker)but hell,it can knock you off..."

In 2022 I found the same smell, I didnt find the high though
GGG release is clearly not good, but maybe the complain is the canna world is making out of every private garden a colourful strain?
The black Charles is showing is clearly green, so why call it black?

 

[Raco]

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[Lugo]

I got some seeds that I am told were bred from landrace teams stock this year I have had the seeds a few years and it was the surprise of the season Kevin Jodrey and I had both smoked Vichada Black at different periods of time in the Same village on the Boarder between Venezuela and Colombia.
So both of us had exposure to the strain this experience in one of the most remote parts of Colombia made me want to source the genetics, What I was sent is 100% non Hybrid equatorial genetics it grows like its been heavily selected (inbred) the Plants I grew had no Purple or Black phenotypes and only about 10% of the flowers we had in Colombia showed the color.
But the Colombian black was the huge surprise of all the new seeds I germinated I grew them next to 2 lines of SMCG 2 lines of MG and other heirloom genetics.
They were not treated very well to be honest and stood up to every issue we had like a strain from an extreme environment, They were taking everything like Champs, But the huge shock was in the Smoke the marina Boys from NYC the Cuban Black and Piff crew loved the Colombian black more than anything as does Garnet my right-hand man put it in a class with Orange peako cambodian .
It showed 2 pheno types like many Colombian and Mexican strains as mentioned they were slow growing
But produced some very trichromatic ladies of the Highest Order , with an earthy sweet flavor that reminds we of what I would expect if I merged a viet or Lao strain and Colombian Punta rojo / SMCG ish type of profile certainly not sweet like a Mango biche .
I expected it to be a potential waste of time and was shocked initially with just how it stood up to environmental stressors
I have some more whole plant pics on a phone .
I produced some f-1 hybrids using my Acapulco Gold males which I think will really open up these plants and produce some very nice f-1 hybrids .
Those seeds are growing now
Cheers

Like I mentioned to you earlier in the group there are plenty of good chances that a) the Vichada Black you experienced is something different to whats being offered by any of these organizations 2) that its not impossible to think that an established breeder such as yourself would be very likely to get exact or superior genetics while the homegrower who is just PAYING for those genetics gets a carbon copy or really just anything that got put together during the process of that breeding...

 

[Lugo]

Lugo i have to assume you are talking about me when you say "I can't believe people are breeding with this " Bro Kevin Jodrey and The Marina boys tried my Colombian Black with no pretense and thought it was some fire flower and it was fully seeded, It is what it is, Many times people will try to cash in on a name I had no idea of what to expect and every single person who tried it loves it. The pic you showed on ICmag looks very much like the most dominant pheno in the seeds we grew,The other being more Like a CPR type of main Dom Cola structure but both were very slow-growing, medium Long flowering, I dont know the exact source of the seeds except landrace team was mentioned, But the Vichada Black on the Boarder is the main strain in that region I have pictures from the area I was mainly trying to slay Peacock bass and Vampire fish and that is what we smoked and it was way the fuck better than CPR or MB I got anywhere in Colombia before or after to some degree I can only say what something is given to me as let every credible smoker try it and validate its being a great fucking plant and share the information with others.
I dont really understand statements like " I cant believe people are breeding with that " you have not smoked that or even tried it , it seems like GGG put out some shitty stuff and you are making some assumptions and judgements , if it turned out to be crap I would have said so and certainly not shared it for opinions with some of the top guys in the USA
Stay Blessed if you want to go check out the area let me know you can source the seeds directly for the community and grow and smoke it and not base opinions on what others wrote about a old GGG release hit me if you want the connect the area is super cheap
Stay blessed Brother
CDS

Again I don't see why you'd take this CB thing so personally...you apparently are not the breeder of it nor has it been something you've been enjoying for several years to be so protective of it. You just 'sourced' something interesting you heard about from a friend or whatever, no big deal. But what happens is when you (im speaking figuratively) 'source' from locals in a foreign country (and I know you know this) you really don't know what you're gonna get, being a foreigner can work for you or against you, better odds if you're an empresario maybe...

Regardless i've more than explained myself in regards to this supposed black but I did wan't to remind you that I am not a breeder or a seed company and that I don't live off of any of this. If I want to grow, preserve something or make something new its because I want to, not because I need to. And again i'm not referring to you specifically when I refer to this CB thing and more than likely if I WERE curious enough to acquire it i'd probably get it from you and your team first. Remember that you're not on the same level as the majority of the passionate, exotic Cannabis enthusiasts who have to work to survive while maintaining their passion for the plant and are spending their hard earned money for exotic genetics and are trusting these outfits and I think its a crime for those folks to be taken advantage of by people whos only real interest is making money. Also, there is an inherent risk when outsourcing, subcontracting or delagating your 'strain hunting' to others as opposed to going source direct. I mean this in a generalized sense, as it is in some cases the only way some 'seed companies' (most of them honestly) can even get their start up gear. That is before they start to "improve it" keep on keeping on!

Stay well!