Is There a Reliable feminized autoflowerer for Outdoors?

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Ive searched the forum thoroughly and done some other reading and cant find any thing that would suggest that there is a fairly stable, dependable feminized autoflowerer that can be grown outdoors.

Anybody have any experience or expertise???

 

[coolbud]

Try the Paradise Seeds collection of auto's , you won't be dissapointed , AutoMaria 2 , Pandora and Vertigo are the bomb.Taste , smell , high ...give it a shot.

 

[TheGreenBastard]

Ive searched the forum thoroughly and done some other reading and cant find any thing that would suggest that there is a fairly stable, dependable feminized autoflowerer that can be grown outdoors.

Anybody have any experience or expertise???

If you can't find a stable fem strain that you like there is nothing stopping you from getting normal seeds and making your own fems. I prefer this method as you don't have to buy more seeds and they are generally more stable. I don't tend to trust most feminized seeds as you don't always know what method they use to make them as many can cause a tendency to hermi.

You should focus on finding a good mold resistant auto first then worry about whether or not it is available in a feminized form.

 

[highroller614]

Well D.S. you bring up an interesting topic. All of the autos I've grown outside were in amended pots and when it rained they were moved to safety. The ones that got too much rain molded. I heard of a breeders with something they call superautos. Claims there great for outdoor but we know a lot of these breeders have never grown outside in native soil to test there strain. I know you grow in native soil and moving pots isn't going to happen. Most autos I here of growing in native soil get like 9 grams per plant. Hardly worth it unless you make f2's and scatter them like johnnie appleseed. At the same time not living in a medical state early harvest can be a great utility. Also nice to harvest a plot before the choppers fly. Hope this helps........

 

[TheGreenBastard]

Hardly worth it unless you make f2's and scatter them like johnnie appleseed. At the same time not living in a medical state early harvest can be a great utility. Also nice to harvest a plot before the choppers fly. Hope this helps........

That is a good point though it is generally very difficult to see a plant less than 4ft from a chopper, especially if there is other vegetation nearby.

 

[TokerOftheSouth]

Doc, i have only grown a few of the LR 2 fem's outside, they did so, so like 1 oz or less with sum variation on pheno's

I agree on making f2's or more seeds and then planting only fem's in plots, it what im leaning toward's forsure

You take a 400 watt HPS or MH in a 4x4' with large hood, plant ur 120 beans in quart cups or grow bags..veg till sex on 24/0, sex by day 20..harden off a day or 3, then plant the 60+ fem's in plots or a nice single plot, do this every 3 weeks all summer if u want, the LC or the other stuff will work on the disease

Im gunna use 1/2 native dirt and half fafard 3b like i did this yr on my OD

BTW idk if there is any company that will have stable af fem's for indo or OD

 

[mitch_connor]

DS, were you planning to start the beans outside, or start them indoors and move out?

If you are starting indoors anyway, I'd recommend what toker says.

Depending on the AF strain males can show themselves from as early as 10 days from sprout. Not too long to wait to get rid of them, and the soil could be re-used if you are starting another batch straight after.

 

[TokerOftheSouth]

DS, were you planning to start the beans outside, or start them indoors and move out?

If you are starting indoors anyway, I'd recommend what toker says.

Depending on the AF strain males can show themselves from as early as 10 days from sprout. Not too long to wait to get rid of them, and the soil could be re-used if you are starting another batch straight after.

Even better, and yes the males are always first ive seen sum at 8-9 days..whats up mitch, stirring sum hash ATM..ill get sum pics up soon

 

[habeeb]

I grew some DP BB , taiga, polarlight fem some time ago inside.

now I'm growing the polarlight outside, and there flowering

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Thanks for all the replys guys.

TOTS can testify to the fact that im a newb on the topic of autoflowerers. I dont know much about them. My experience is limited to growing Brendas skunk XNL. from East Island. Only 1/2 of the plants from that strain auto and the other half are super light sensitive that finish early sept., but the auto plants were really very good. They grew to 3' and yielded 3 ozs. I planted them outdoors on May 15 and harvested on July 30.

I have some questions for you guys.

1. Are you planting mid to late may and harvesting late july?
2. Is the potency acceptable??
3. i see references of mould - IN JULY????
4. Im always leary of "herm" reports but with these auto fems there seems to be a consistent "hum" of critisizm about the fem auto's . what do you think; Herm prone?
5. To Mitch's question -start outdoors or in?

Ive always wanted to do an auto grow in a big soy bean field. Soy beans get about waist high but in between the rows should grow well. I think they would be hard to spot mixed in a 100 acre soy bean field.

 

[SGS]

Hey, glad you have interest in AFs D.S.

FEM AF beans are excellent when made correctly. Not just the method used to make the FEM beans is a factor but more directly the genetics that which they are made from. If the variety used is unstable or prone to hermie issues then yes you will end up with unstable and hermie laden crap. Not every AF strain is hardy enough to deal with the FEM process, just because a breeder makes FEM beans of a strain doesnt mean its any good.

Put it this way, why would you offer only 1 version of a strain when you can offer another version of the same strain that offers even less work to get a harvest??? FEM AF beans are good selling seed stock and in todays market, one of the highest selling items. Of course breeders will try and offer every strain in FEM form to make more sale/money. The main thing that gets me is the companies that offer FEM versions only!!! So you have to keep coming back for more seed stock... a marketing ploy that they try to cover up with statements like, we are protecting our work by releasing FEM only, etc... blah crap! There are other ways to protect your work, 1 simple method, DONT RELEASE IT.

Sadly most of the newer AF "Breeders" are in it for the $$$, hell some of them dont even produce their own seed stock they sell, they dont care about quality or stability. They only care about the amount of strains they offer, with REG and FEM versions of each strain no matter how they perform, just to increase the opportunity to snare a customer.

The proof is everywhere... Why all the sudden all the BIG name seedbanks offer up AFs, almost all at the same time this last 2 yrs?? Cause they finally saw how the market was shifting and where the money was going. Only problem was they didn't know fuckall about making new AF strains as they didnt have any experience with them nor the genetics to do so. This has been shown time and time again in the ungodly amount of reports from BIG name seed company AF stock to be not stable for AF! hempy crap and even 1 seed bank made a complete recall and pulled them from their line up due to all the bad reports, as they are selling untested stock by who knows who, and relied on their company name to sell them.

If you want to find the best FEM AFs, look for the smaller private companies that have been around since the beginning of the AF movement. After all 99% of True AF strains sold today contain in some way the genetics that where available at the time of the Great Push from the newer and bigger seedbanks. Just look around, AUTO BLUEBERRY(Mdanzigs Original work more then 6 yrs old! Blue-Streak) Auto AK47, LowRyder, LowRyder#2 ( renamed many times in descriptions to make the breeders look like they have there OWN secret AF STOCK they use to make new AF hybrids, oh wow!)

Been breeding AFs for over 8 yrs now, have made countless test crosses, and have thrown almost as many away, AF Breeding is not easy and it shows in the recent events. It takes a bare minimum of 11-12 months to make an Original New Non-AF x AF hybrid to the F4 generation with 100% AF stability, it will take another 9 months to bring it to a stable F7 with most of the traits locked down. New AF x AF crosses can be made stable a bit faster but still around 15 months before it becomes a stable F6-7 IBL. With this in mind, makes it very hard to see how all these companies have produces all these new stable AFs,, oh wait they arn't...

As for the AF FEM strain for OD, there are a few that come to mind, LR#2 is great, kind of a lower yielder tho, they really like to be started OD if they are going to be finished there. Check out Cheesy's FEM AFs, they have been doing well indoors, not sure if he recommends them OD tho.

Starting AFs inside then moving outside can stunt them, ending up with poor results. Not ALL AFs can be grown OD! Look for strains that contain outdoor performance data in the description, if it doesn't chances are they haven't been tested there.

Hope that helps with your selection, sorry for the bit of a rant.

SGS

 

[TokerOftheSouth]

Doc, i say mould in july, cause few strains did it in the past but really only Blue Streak was bad, however wen crossed with diesel ryder it was fine..Just somthing to lookout for in all strains, IMO, atleast where its humid

Ive even had a few AF's try to mould inside while growing, only cause they were so dense and thick

Potency is top notch and any1 who tries any af ive grown inside and sum outside always ask if its hydro( i say u know it buddy)

Starting plants inside will increase the growth compared to outside, because ur lights are on 24/0, also this is an advantage to keeping ur plants growing and warm wen its still cold on our spring nites

As far as shock, i myself have never saw any really wen moving from inside to out then planting, unless mayb they were not hardend off

 

[devilgoob]

don't worry SGS, I see the bullshit all around and laugh it up.

I probably will be picking up some pink bud hopefully, what is the high like?

 

[Lung.Butter]

I did Sweet seeds S.A.D auto recently, best autos i've ever done by miles, looked just like the real deal, most auto's have this look where you know they're autos and have stringy buds (must be the ruderalis i would i guess) but these looked great and actually smelled a fair bit.

Next year i'm going to try their cream caramel, which seems to have the good ol' MLI in it.

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

thanks for the insight SGS. Good info is helpful.

I got some femmed beans from Sagmartha last year and to say they sucked would be an understatement. Just as SGS stated, their are some making beans with the goal of making money, not good weed.

I also got 4 free femmed auto's from Dinafem and planted them outdoors in late may. Unfortunately may was hot and the plants didnt seem to fair well at a few weeks at 100 degrees. Are these plants temp sensitive or was that just a fluke?

 

[highroller614]

D.S. I've had night and day different buzzes from the same strain. Some are potent but then again some are not. I grew 2 Big Devil #2's this year and 1 looked fabulous and the other not as nice but still looked good. Fems also and annoying white flecks present in the better looking of the 2. The 1 that was dripping barely caught me a buzz. The other 1 didnt look as good but is potent. Nice visuals and able to get froze in time lol. I myself didn't think much of sour 60 at all. Looked the part but that was it. I myself am a heavy toker so quality control is what I do. There is some good breeders out here and things will evolve I'm sure. There is a lot of new auto strains coming out i can't wait to try. There is also another forum dedicated to auto's if you need more research.

 

[devilgoob]

since sour bubble has a known "one-sided high", I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

I was wondering about Devil #2's also, so there is some potency!!!!

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[grandmaster B]

femed seed themself are hardly reliable as they come from a herme, and thats if the breeder spent time to stabelize it in the first place.