Is my choice of strains good for guerilla growing? Is there anything I should change?

[TioW42]

By looking at this forums strain database and what other sites think I chose these 3 strains for my guerilla grow this year. I don't know if I should get autoflower for frisian dew and green poison or just feminized but what do you think?

Sativa - Purple Maroc
Hybird - Frisian Dew
Indica - Green Poison

 

[Imsostonedagain]

Im sure I will get flamed for this but I will give my opinion anyway. I would stay away from autos if at all possible. Might not be avoidable if you have a real short growing season.
Here is the reason I would avoid autos. Most THC percentages dont mean shit. For example, a buddy has a strain that claims 25% THC and my ghanni is about half that...and my ghanni is WAY morr potent. Its not just total THC content as other chemicals have a synergistic effect woth the THC. With that being said, most autos are high THC content plants crossed to autos to get the autoflowering habit. The ruderalis that is used typically has a VERY low THC content. If you cross a 30%plant to a 1%plant, the likely resulting progeny will not be anywhere near 30%. Just seems like cindy crawford having a kid with a retard. The kid just aint going to be as sharp as it would if the dad was also good looking or smart. Same principle with autos. Why would you want 1 retarded parent if you dont have to.
So I will say, if you dont absolutely have to use autos, dont.

 

[Bob Green]

For most auto lines I would agree but things are changing fast. If you are going to give autos a try look into Highrise seeds. Stuff like Fire99 auto, C99a, FireOGa, from them are 15-20 generations away from lowrider. Top notch herb but still finish in about 65 days from seed. They have a bunch of nice outdoor gear for people a bit more north that need mold resistance and such.

Make sure the tap roots have plenty of space, and plant in full sun for best results.

Best of luck.

 

[MJPassion]

Im sure I will get flamed for this but I will give my opinion anyway. I would stay away from autos if at all possible. Might not be avoidable if you have a real short growing season.
Here is the reason I would avoid autos. Most THC percentages dont mean shit. For example, a buddy has a strain that claims 25% THC and my ghanni is about half that...and my ghanni is WAY morr potent. Its not just total THC content as other chemicals have a synergistic effect woth the THC. With that being said, most autos are high THC content plants crossed to autos to get the autoflowering habit. The ruderalis that is used typically has a VERY low THC content. If you cross a 30%plant to a 1%plant, the likely resulting progeny will not be anywhere near 30%. Just seems like cindy crawford having a kid with a retard. The kid just aint going to be as sharp as it would if the dad was also good looking or smart. Same principle with autos. Why would you want 1 retarded parent if you dont have to.
So I will say, if you dont absolutely have to use autos, dont.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha....
ROTFLMMFAO!!!

You need to get w the times bud n quit spreading old outdated info.

To the OP...
Get what suits you and your grow style the best.
If you have 12 weeks or more for a growing season you can grow what ever you want.

Are you planning on starting your plants indoors then planting your OD plot?
If yes then use non auto seeds FTW.
If no, ask folks that have grown those specific varieties about their experiences. Finish dates would concern me the most.

I've no experience w those varieties.

 

[Koondense]

Frisian dew Autoflower version is bad for outdoors(molds easily), the photoperiod is much better.

If you're into regular seeds(non fem) try to get some LaBuenaHierba semi-auto strains. Stellar outdoor resistence to everything, good smoke.
Another good option is SuperCaliHaze or SuperStinky by ShortStuff seeds. They take 4 months from seed to finish and are a good smoke too.

 

[Imsostonedagain]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha....
ROTFLMMFAO!!!

You need to get w the times bud n quit spreading old outdated info.

To the OP...
Get what suits you and your grow style the best.
If you have 12 weeks or more for a growing season you can grow what ever you want.

Are you planning on starting your plants indoors then planting your OD plot?
If yes then use non auto seeds FTW.
If no, ask folks that have grown those specific varieties about their experiences. Finish dates would concern me the most.

I've no experience w those varieties.

I realize that MOST autos nowadays have been backcrossed to the photoperiod plant several times. Use to be that autos were F1 crosses so half of your genetic material was from the ruderalis. But...at some point when you keep crossing that F1 back to the photoperiod plant, you are going to lose the autoflowering trait and have to cross it back to the ruderalis to keep that trait. I knew I would get flamed for it, thats ok. No way I would EVER use an auto unless there was just no other option.
I dont use fems because of slightly different issues. I do realize that if a company does enough stress testing, fems can be terrific. However, most companies are too damn lazy to properly test their females to make sure they are true females before busting out the CS or STS. Its just greed. Hence the reason sooo many people complain of hermies when growing out fems. It can be done right and I'm sure some companies are doing it right but after gettong burned more than once with hermies from fems, I only grow out regular seeds now...besides, finding a prized male is worth the effort if you have the time or space.

 

[Bob Green]

I realize that MOST autos nowadays have been backcrossed to the photoperiod plant several times. Use to be that autos were F1 crosses so half of your genetic material was from the ruderalis. But...at some point when you keep crossing that F1 back to the photoperiod plant, you are going to lose the autoflowering trait and have to cross it back to the ruderalis to keep that trait. I knew I would get flamed for it, thats ok. No way I would EVER use an auto unless there was just no other option.

Once again your info is outdated. You are not getting "flamed" just people have different ideas and to each their own.

What you are describing is how crap auto genetics are made by lazy uneducated seed makers trying to cash inn on the new hype.

Say you take a photo x auto cross at F1 it might be semi auto not really full auto. But take that same cross to F5 or F6 and the lowrider gene will take over making it fully auto. Take this F5 and cross it to a photo and you have the beginnings of a new auto line. Four times of doing this took guys from Highrise many years of hard work but they now have quality auto lines that rival the photos. Both Fire99 auto, and Fire99 photo are comparable in finished product. There really is only 1-2% of the lowrider left in crosses like the upcoming Fire BX auto.

These are what people need to make new auto lines with. Not the tired old lowrider. The new school auto lines are on a much higher level.

That said be ware the auto gene is taking over little by little and cannot be bread out like you think. The way things are spreading regular photoperiod strains could very well be in danger as the auto genetics spread.

As far as who is right time will tell but the research is backing up my theory and disproving yours.

 

[green-genes77]

Good strain selections in general. I would get the auto FD since it can take into October to finish and the femmed GP since that's an earlier finisher. This will give you a nice progression of ripened flowers from late August through mid-September. This is the best chance to be done early without worrying about botrytis, rippers, or anything else that might befall your plants in that extra two weeks.

This would have been my approach back in the guerrilla days at any rate. Looks like someone upthread pointed out that auto FD is a mold-magnet, so perhaps not.

 

[Goyakla]

I have grown Leb27.and P.T., outside for years at 52 n.. Excellent strains.. Done in medio
September., and at that point we have 12/12 Light.. So they start Blooming long before 12/12..and the bad weather.

 

[bigbadbiddy]

I for one agree with Imsostoned. Call it old and outdated.

I call it sound logic.

Why would you want one retarded parent? Why would you want ruderalis in your gene pool?

If the autoflowering trait is essential for you, then by all means.

But nobody will ever convince me that you don't "give something up" in terms of potency, genetic integrity, purity, overall desireability of a strain if you opt for the ruderalis/autoflower trait.

Sure, if autoflower is what you need/want, then you obviously go for the autoflower/ruderalis. But don't kid yourself thinking you are growing big league, top shelf bud.
You are growing auto bud. You might have to, the environment where you are at and your options might dictate this as the only way to grow.
But otherwise, I see no reason why anyone would choose autos other than lack of knowledge and research.

 

[Imsostonedagain]

Once again your info is outdated. You are not getting "flamed" just people have different ideas and to each their own.

What you are describing is how crap auto genetics are made by lazy uneducated seed makers trying to cash inn on the new hype.

I was under the impression that was the case for the majority of seed makers these days.

 

[Bob Green]

I was under the impression that was the case for the majority of seed makers these days.

I'm with you there. ^^^ True statement


An example of why I would use an auto is simple. I can throw one outside right this second without worry of it going into reveg fubaring a leafy harvest and no light dep necessary. With the right auto line I can plant and harvest every two months. With fems I don't even need to cull males just plot everything according to my needs. F99a is the only auto line I have ever purchased and they came pretty cheap too. That said it's hard to find a bad grow of F99a and they invested years into developing her. I mean come on I could plant tomorrow and harvest in mid June. People up north can plant in June and harvest in August. that said I generally don't dig on autos too much. I just like to experiment for myself before making up my mind.


I would say that more information would help the original poster. Latitude, altitude, type of environment(coastal, mountain, high desert, swamp, humid, dry, tropical, artic, etc). Does it have a wet season? If so what months? Most strains will do fine outside depending on where you plant them.

How well are you going to take care of these plants? Is it full on guerrilla style? Once per week? What are you feeding them? Amendments? Are they in buckets, dirt, badass soil, coco, what are your yield goals? How stealth does it need to be both in size and smell? it's just a complicated answer with such little information given.

I think they would get better answers in the outdoor section too. Ask the experts and add more information. best of luck and great harvest!

 

[bigbadbiddy]

Well I for one never said that autos have no merit or place.

They definitely have a right to exist and have their purpose.

But imho there is no reason to grow autos if you could grow regulars unless you highly value the ease of growing from the autos or your environment dictates that you use autos.

If you can make regulars work instead, I am confident you will be always left with a superior product.

 

[Imsostonedagain]

Well I for one never said that autos have no merit or place.

They definitely have a right to exist and have their purpose.

But imho there is no reason to grow autos if you could grow regulars unless you highly value the ease of growing from the autos or your environment dictates that you use autos.

If you can make regulars work instead, I am confident you will be always left with a superior product.

I agree 100%. Autos have a purpose, its just a very narrow one. If I lived in alaska or somewhere with a really short growing season instead of the good ol bluegrass, I would likely use autos for outdoor growing. But the vast majority of people will end up with better smoke using regular seeds.
Bob Green, I'm glad you agree about MOST seed breeders nowadays are lazy hacks. Thats the reason I dont use fems. If I know a company really did their testing and are using true females that will not ever hermi without CS or STS then I would have no problem at all using fems. I have a very old ghanni (I'm 37 and it has been grown by a friend since I was born) that will not herm, EVER. I have tried drastic temp changes, screwed up the light ccycle, you name it, I have tried to get it to hermi, it just wont without CS or STS. Everything else I grow will hermi with just light leaks. Because of this, I consider my ghanni as the only plant I have that is a potential breeder. If all the fem seed makers used this criteria, we wouldnt have people complaining about getting herms from fem seeds.

 

[Sinsemillian1]

The day is almost here where a good auto will hold up to any of the best photo out there. The auto gene can't be bred out but the junk ruder Alison traits low the etc can and it's being done for awhile now.