Is more than one drench with Bayer complete needed for Root Aphids?

[louie]

I have read through a bunch of Root Aphid threads and have a quick question. Do I need to apply repeated drenches of Bayer Complete to get rid of Root Aphids or just one? I have already applied one drench about a week ago and wondering if I should drench another time or two or is once going to be sufficient?

 

[MacGyver420]

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[SeaMaiden]

My experience with the Bayer was worse, so I tried Spectracide with Triazicide and two drenches later I was good. See, the thing is that you likely won't get the fliers, so you need to reapply. I let it soak overnight.

 

[rives]

I did two applications about a week apart, submerging the plants in the mixture. It was very effective for me doing it this way.

 

[louie]

Thanks guys! SeaMaiden- so you say Spectracide with Triazicide worked better for you. What bottle did you buy? And how much per gallon did you use?

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

one should do it as it has a residual effect of 3 months... more is pointless imho however ive never been infested just got infested clones... have had them twice now and one dose each has worked for me.

 

[schwilly]

Anybody know if winged root aphids reproduce only in the flying stage? Can they reproduce in the soil?

thanks

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Anybody know if winged root aphids reproduce only in the flying stage? Can they reproduce in the soil?

thanks

They are fabulous at reproducing in the soil. You usually won't see flyers until there are tons of them.

 

[overgrowit]

It depends on which kind you have.

From my experience It seems the smaller micro sized ones can be resistant to IMID(the ingredient in bayer), Strong pyrethrins, spectracide, botaniguard.

Root ball dunks for several minutes will work the best.

I would do this several times once a week just to be safe. If you get them real bad they will be there to stay.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

Imid is systemic so adding it again if it didnt kill the bug i dont see a point. If it didnt kill it the first time it wont kill it the second time either.....

 

[louie]

I ended up doing a drench (in coco) last night with Spectracide with Triazicide (.08% concentration) at 15ml/gal mixed in with my nutes. We'll see what happens, fingers crossed.

 

[MtnLivin]

They will come back... It's been proven that NOTHING kills these fuckers.. Except..... Met52. Get some and be DONE.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Thanks guys! SeaMaiden- so you say Spectracide with Triazicide worked better for you. What bottle did you buy? And how much per gallon did you use?

Yes, the method was an overnight soak, or at least 3-5 hours. I got a black bottle, and unfortunately it's downstairs and I am still on crutches. But I went with the one that has label directions for using on vegetables, and I think I went with the stone fruit and/or grape application rates, around 15mls/gal, if not more.

Just as important as the lack of efficacy using the Bayer prodwas the pre-harvest interval using Triazicide, it's 21 days, vs the minimum of 30 days using the low percentage imidacloprid. This is extremely important to remember and understand -- the greater the strength of imidacloprid the longer the pre-harvest interval. Once you use imid you have started a clock that cannot be reset or wound back.

I have also read of a completely different, but completely organic method of eradication, but it is only effective when using on well-rooted plants and it won't do a thing about the fliers. Incredibly simple, perhaps just as easy: submerge the entire pot (root zone) in 125F water for 5mins. I don't have the paper handy (stuck using my Tablet) but the efficacy rate was damn near 100%.

So you could use the hot water method on the plants and while they're out of the space then treat the area with the Triazicide to get all those little motherfucker fliers. Those things have been, to this point in my growing experience, THE motherestfuckerest little motherfuckers I have EVER dealt with!

They will come back... It's been proven that NOTHING kills these fuckers.. Except..... Met52. Get some and be DONE.

Uh, hate to break it to you, but Met52's efficacy rate is around 85%, and that's at the high end. I believe it's what has already been reported. The only method I have read about that has such a high rate of efficacy is the hot water dunk.

 

[MtnLivin]

Yes, the method was an overnight soak, or at least 3-5 hours. I got a black bottle, and unfortunately it's downstairs and I am still on crutches. But I went with the one that has label directions for using on vegetables, and I think I went with the stone fruit and/or grape application rates, around 15mls/gal, if not more.

Just as important as the lack of efficacy using the Bayer prodwas the pre-harvest interval using Triazicide, it's 21 days, vs the minimum of 30 days using the low percentage imidacloprid. This is extremely important to remember and understand -- the greater the strength of imidacloprid the longer the pre-harvest interval. Once you use imid you have started a clock that cannot be reset or wound back.

I have also read of a completely different, but completely organic method of eradication, but it is only effective when using on well-rooted plants and it won't do a thing about the fliers. Incredibly simple, perhaps just as easy: submerge the entire pot (root zone) in 125F water for 5mins. I don't have the paper handy (stuck using my Tablet) but the efficacy rate was damn near 100%.

So you could use the hot water method on the plants and while they're out of the space then treat the area with the Triazicide to get all those little motherfucker fliers. Those things have been, to this point in my growing experience, THE motherestfuckerest little motherfuckers I have EVER dealt with!



Uh, hate to break it to you, but Met52's efficacy rate is around 85%, and that's at the high end. I believe it's what has already been reported. The only method I have read about that has such a high rate of efficacy is the hot water dunk.

Uh hate to break it to you, but this is THE ONLY product that has saved MANY gardens. Period. I can tell you, I was infested.. Met52 into fresh coco in everything and BAM, no more aphids. It seems as though you like to go in every thread and argue about what "does" work... What's with that? It seems people got tired of it at the other place so you shifted over here? And let me clarify my first statement, it doesn't necessarily kill all of them, but it does eradicate them. They cannot live in the coco/soil with the Met52.. All my medium inoculated with the Met52 has tons fungus growing throughout every single inch of the medium.. You can see it.

 

[louie]

Appreciate the help everyone. I'm hoping the Spectracide will limit the damage for now on this crop. Where can I get Met52 and how much does it cost?

 

[zor]

re: met 52 - where to buy it..

unfortunately, it is not easy to get and only available through phone order.

 

[SeaMaiden]

They will come back... It's been proven that NOTHING kills these fuckers.. Except..... Met52. Get some and be DONE.

^^^^ Except for my experience eradicating them using Triazicide. Which is a different experience from that of many others.

Uh hate to break it to you, but this is THE ONLY product that has saved MANY gardens. Period. I can tell you, I was infested.. Met52 into fresh coco in everything and BAM, no more aphids. It seems as though you like to go in every thread and argue about what "does" work... What's with that? It seems people got tired of it at the other place so you shifted over here? And let me clarify my first statement, it doesn't necessarily kill all of them, but it does eradicate them. They cannot live in the coco/soil with the Met52.. All my medium inoculated with the Met52 has tons fungus growing throughout every single inch of the medium.. You can see it.

I didn't say it doesn't work, I am debating your original assertion. Perhaps it seems that I only go into threads to argue, that is not my intention, but who am I to argue your perceptions? Believe it or not, I was asked by several people to come here and participate. Which 'other place' are you referring to? I belong to several forums where I go just to argue.

And, whether you believe it or not, I have had my own experiences with root aphids, so I'm not just talking about what I read somewhere. This is just like all these people who insist that Eagle20 is the end-all be-all,despite the well documented proof of the problems associated with overuse and, just as importantly, misuse of the product. But hey, don't listen to me because I'm not asking you to. I only ever post to argue shit with people.

 

[marrdogg]

I am battling root aphids now just did a imid dunk at 40ml gl. SeaMaiden you say the hot water works? At this stage I am willing to try anything as it seems I am losing the battle. I will try anything atleast once before stating it doesn't work!

 

[SeaMaiden]

Marr, I haven't had an opportunity to try using the hot water dunk, but I have a paper I can share on it.

 

[MtnLivin]

I am battling root aphids now just did a imid dunk at 40ml gl. SeaMaiden you say the hot water works? At this stage I am willing to try anything as it seems I am losing the battle. I will try anything atleast once before stating it doesn't work!

Get some Met52.. You will be good to go for pretty much ever.