is LED rly better then hps?. gram wise.

[perfekto]

Hey. i got a question about LED lamps what LED lamp to be exactly is these once.
http://www.cosmicgrowth.ca/Apollo-LED-Grow-Lights-s/1882.htm

I've heard people say that they can get 1.3 up to 2.0gram / wattage from a 600w hps lamp.

i just woundering if its possible to get out more then 1g / wattage from LED lamps?.

i mean i will have 500w of LEDs in flowering. that most be better then a 600w hps lamp or am i wrong?

some one told me that 300watt of led is the same as a 600w hps but i dont know that is why i ask here now

 

[grow_right]

if you are looking for quantity over quality, you are thinking in the wrong direction. my led grows have been superb! the differences between led and hid is vast.

 

[supermanlives]

its easy to get gram a watt in tiny ass grows. led has its place and is improving all the time.the gram a watt is bullshit. cause it dont take into account veg time. if you veg long enough you can get a gram a watt easilly with almost any strain. but the grower with less veg time and lower yields might actually harvest more in a year . but have a lower gram per watt.dont buy into hype. do your reaSEARCH

 

[Keep goin]

some one told me that 300watt of led is the same as a 600w hps but i dont know that is why i ask here now

Absolutely NOT...!! I bought the "top of the line" Lumigrow ES330. 5w chips, plenty of power. The trick is spreading the light out...if you want canopy you need to cover it!

I loved the results directly under the lamp...but unlike my 600w HPS it has absolutely NO spread!! So...that's 330w of LED and it was no where near the output/ yield of my 600w HPS. The quality IS outstanding as grow right stated.

Your idea of 500w of LED against 600w of HPS is a lot more realistic... as I said before just be sure to cover the canopy...

Good Luck.

 

[stonedwarrior]

NO ROLF HAHAHAHAHA Don't be a sucker.

See my sig (from another pot board) for details.

Plasma > HID > CFL/Fluoro > Lit Farts > LED

 

[Podink Stucky]

Hey perfekto! I have always had excellent results with 1000 watt hps in a 4x4 area....this works well for separate veg giving two months of 18/6 before flowering. Ensures that every available inch is covered with canopy. This averages 600-700 grams per two months if negative variables are resolved with almost any strain and proper training. This topic would be perfect for side by side for someone who has space/time for experimenting. I have always wondered the same question you are asking. We need some growers using 1000 watt equivalent leds to chime in........

 

[Keep goin]

NO ROLF HAHAHAHAHA Don't be a sucker.

See my sig (from another pot board) for details.

Wow, that's a "helpful" post..!?!

Yeah, let me run and find your sig from another site to find details!!? Your kidding right! (No thanks)

How many LED grows do you have under your belt??

(That's a rhetorical question!!) Just another "ANTI LED guy" who sees LED in a thread post and have to chime in, with uniformed nonsense!

Plenty of BS out there in the "world" of LED...but to discount the tech entirely is ridiculous, and shows your ignorance.

Why don't you try helping people, instead of just "trolling"!?

 

[stonedwarrior]

Not trolling, giving you my honest opinion. And the sig is right there in my post. I quoted it there, just for you.

Here's an example of just how bad LEDS are.
When I was a noob, looking at LEDs, CFLs, all that other crap, I went into my local hydro store to order up a nice, new LED Panel. I was told they don't stock them.

When i asked why, I was told that due to consumer affairs laws in my country, if a product doesnt do what it says it can do on the packaging, they can't sell it.

THEY CAN'T FIND A SINGLE LED MANUFACTURER THAT DOESN"T SPOUT BULLSHIT AS TO WHAT THEIR PRODUCT CAN DO.

Even top of the range brands, read the specs on the box, get out your calculator, have a look at dat shit, the figures are either made up or written by a monkey.

Cheers.

 

[DrFever]

well is led better gram wise then hps probably not even tho you can hit plants with the right spectrum of light i i think the problem is penetration compared to a hid led has it benefits as well as negatives
then you here many LED growers mention the quality of buds ????? that IMO comes with how dialed in your room is proper humidity , air , c02 levels etc mediums used
there is allot more to quality then meets the eye
There will always be a debate haters and supporters of LED and until a un biased grower actualy does a documented side by side grow exact same enviroments then the debate will continue
On another note LED have bin around longer then most might think a guy from GE invented them like 50 years ago so if you really think about 50 years LED really hasn;t come a long way just different spectrums but still expensive as hell compared to a hid watt for watt

 

[Keep goin]

Well stonedwarrior...call it what you will...I call it trolling.

You haven't grown with LED...SO you don't know what you are talking about.

When you were a "noob"??...unless that was last week (which I would imagine it wasn't) There have been many different types of panels put forth.
I will agree with you that there are HUGE ridiculous claims put forth by LED manufacturers. You definitely need to do plenty of research!!

But your claims that when you were a noob LEDs sucked, therefore they still suck...so you're gonna answer thread posts about LEDs...just seems a bit "trollish" to me...Sorry!?

The original post was simply asking about equivalency...the guy is talking about "matching, watt for watt" LED to HPS. Or close to it...a lot of the crazy claims made originally had to do with "90w fixtures replacing 400w HPS" ....

I will definitely give it to you...THAT IS BULLSHIT!!!

But if the guy buys right...properly driven, 3w+ chips and covers the entire canopy...the results WILL be impressive.

Just sayin'

And DR...I have a crappy 1w panel that I use for veg...granted against flouros, but in the same exact environment...right next to them...I note better top growth, and a definite increase in root mass!! Better growth, is better growth...right??
I also have another high watt panel for bloom... I don't have enough wattage to trust it to replace my HPS yet. But it is a viable tech for sure. You just have to do it right. It's moving in the right direction.
I think the closer people get to watt to watt comparisons the better!! Hence my original answer, to the original post.

Good Luck all...

 

[stonedwarrior]

The thread title is

is LED rly better then hps?. gram wise.

The answer is NO.

If you want to be an LED fanboy feel free to go right ahead I'll be over here basking in HPS Glow.

The side by sides you want to see are on youtube, go find them... If they aren't full of shit, and they're actually truthful, you'll see just how overrated LED Panels are.

It's easy to tell the sbs's that are full of shit - they're made by the LED Manufacturers

 

[Keep goin]

Stonedwarrior...I saw the thread title...that's why I answered. Because I actually know, from experience about what they are asking about.

How do you know the answer is NO..?? Not from personal experience!?? I invite you to investigate further.

The answer IS questionable? Is the original bullshit 1 to 4 ratio of watts true? ABSOLUTELY NOT!! You are correct about THAT! But if you think you can't get the same gram count from the same wattage of LED you are wrong!

The original poster is asking if 500w of LED will produce as well as 600w of HPS?? I would say, if you do it right and spread the light over the canopy..(it's not HPS, you can't just have one big light!) HE CAN!!! If you say NO, you haven't been paying attention to the technology...that's all.

I don't necessarily need to be an LED "fanboy" as you put it...I actually just "play" with LED!! (it's still VERY expensive tech) I have multiple HPS trays, that's where my main focus is. (I bask in the HPS glow myself)!!

I just think you are rushing judgement based on bullshit put forth by lame manufacturers looking to make a quick buck...I just say open your mind a little...LED's are pretty cool.
Definitely grow some nice buds (I have a 5w fixture) You just have to do it right.

If you match wattage, I think you would be surprised, that's all.

Have fun...

 

[ItsTopShelf]

u can get good harvest.. from leds.. just not worth the time and effort for me. id rather use a 250 or 400w mh and hps.. over any leds.