Is cat-piss (animal urine) odour genetic or environmental?

[covert]

I'm of the opinion that certain odours signify abnormal concentrations of elements in a plant's environment and resulting metabolic reactions that can occur as a result.

An animal urine smell to me suggests abundance of urea or nitrogen. The plant is perhaps detoxifying the soil it's growing in by excreting excess out as metabolic waste.

Does anyone believe it's genetic?

 

[GGNo2]

I think it's genetics. I had 3 cindies from female seeds. One of them absolutely reaked of cat piss. If had owned a cat at the time it would have got the blame.

I hated the smell of that pheno and it took 13 weeks to Finnish flowering. It was really racey though,i couldn't smoke it as it caused anxiety for me lol.
The other 2 cindies were both fruity and done at 10 weeks of flower, I just couldn't smell them while growing because of the cat piss pheno in the room.

Obviously they were in the same soil and environment. So for me it's gotta be genetic.

 

[CosmicCharlie]

It’s definitely in the genetics.

It’s possible that you are also getting those smells from the grow room.

But if it still smells like Cat Piss after Curing then you know it’s the genetics.

 

[AstroTHC]

It is cammomile terpens while freshed more like catpiss after long curing like cammomile flowers. it is normal in plants.

 

[AstroTHC]

(Chamomile) wrong spelling

 

[REALPOTency]

genetic terpene for sure
in the most haze or sativa influences you can check this pheno, dont matter the feeding

 

[troutman]

I'm going to say both. It's more genetically based than environmental though.

Different environments will change the intensity of the aroma.

But the plant still has to have the genetics to make it happen in the 1st place.

 

[Teddybrae]

Don't know what the fuck you're talking about but I DO know that odours go straight to the reptile brain. They by-pass our thinking/rationalising brain. That's why odours can transport your memory into the past faster than any other way.

 

[troutman]

Don't know what the fuck you're talking about but I DO know that odours go straight to the reptile brain. They by-pass our thinking/rationalising brain. That's why odours can transport your memory into the past faster than any other way.

Are you saying you're a reptilian that David Icke was talking about?

 

[HillBillyAlien]

both, i grew norcal catpiss and the first few weeks of veg you can smell piss if u rub the stem

 

[covert]

I am not convinced by:

1. The smell is in the buds after curing.
2. Is present on a stem rub.

If the grow conditions have resulted in a high nitrogen/urea situation then it is completely logical that the odour is also going to continue into the flowers and be present on rub of the plant's tissues in that environment.

It would be interesting to know if these odours were associated with high nitrogen load (tip burns etc).

 

[JetLife175]

I am not convinced by:

1. The smell is in the buds after curing.
2. Is present on a stem rub.

If the grow conditions have resulted in a high nitrogen/urea situation then it is completely logical that the odour is also going to continue into the flowers and be present on rub of the plant's tissues in that environment.

It would be interesting to know if these odours were associated with high nitrogen load (tip burns etc).

They have cuts named catpiss... I never never feed heavy N either and they come out pissy as fuck. I don’t know. I’m not convinced you have an open enough mind to realize cannabis is more diverse than we can imagine.

 

[Dropped Cat]

Terps can be influenced by medium, additives and what not.

Organic growers vs salts growers will school us on the effects.

I did an S1 on Sam's thunk, originally full on black pepper,
and have had more than a few cat piss plants.

Still a 110 day plant, and will pop more beans soon to see what I can see.


Good thread.

 

[Im'One]

Anyone tried shabuds version? Says it's a heirloom? Fast finisher looks like an indica.

 

[HillBillyAlien]

Anyone tried shabuds version? Says it's a heirloom? Fast finisher looks like an indica.

Yeah 707 catpiss every pheno i had was catpiss from start to finish. Catpiss and road kill skunk smells come from afghan alot but can be found in other strains aswell if you wanting the smell from genetics and not something crappy

 

[Im'One]

Yeah 707 catpiss every pheno i had was catpiss from start to finish. Catpiss and road kill skunk smells come from afghan alot but can be found in other strains aswell if you wanting the smell from genetics and not something crappy

What's the smoke like? Narcotic I would think?

 

[St. Phatty]

Cat piss smell is basically Ammonia, isn't it ?

Last night when I moved a kitty litter pan from the bedroom to the Terrarium room, it wasn't cause it smelled like strawberries !

 

[Mohadib]

I am not convinced by:

1. The smell is in the buds after curing.
2. Is present on a stem rub.

If the grow conditions have resulted in a high nitrogen/urea situation then it is completely logical that the odour is also going to continue into the flowers and be present on rub of the plant's tissues in that environment.

It would be interesting to know if these odours were associated with high nitrogen load (tip burns etc).

It seems odd to me that you only refer to the arguments you can easily refute while ignoring the ones you probably can't. Why is that?

As others suggested before me: If it wasn't a matter of genetics:

- how do you explain that there are certain cultivars that are known for (and are even named after) this chemotypic trait?

- how do you explain that certain plants show this trait while others don't, although they're grown under the very same conditions?

- how do you explain that not all plants that were fed too much nitrogen start smelling like ammonia?

It's no secret that the specific conditions a plant is grown in can have a huge influence on the quality of the end product. But it's not like an organically grown SFV OG smells and tastes like an classic SFV OG while the overfed hydro-version smells like cat piss. The chemotypic profile generally stays the same with certain nuances being more or less pronounced, depending on the growing method and the specific conditions. The same goes for any kind of ammonia smell. Personally, I have grown several plants that smelled mighty pissy and that trait appeared no matter the way it was grown and how much or little "N" it was fed. The only difference being the intensity it showed up with.

 

[AgentPothead]

Out of curiosity, are any odors tied to nutrient deficiencies/toxicities? I can't think of anybody who ever told me to diagnose my plant by smelling it, but I haven't met most people either. If there are dogs that can smell cancer, there might be somebody who can smell magnesium toxicity Good luck trying to quantify that though.

 

[Drewsif]

Tomcat piss specifically is a plant smell. There are numerous trees bushes and herbs with the smell. Its not a litter box windex or anhydrous smell at all.. The next closest perceivably different smell on the weed spectrum would be mango.