is cannazym worth the expense?

[gramsci.antonio]

Hi,

i've always thought that too much enhancer can harm the plant more than a simple plain nutrient.

I've been using canna coco a+b. My local hydro shop's clerck keeps on push me to buy cannazym.... I'm wondering: is it useful? or is just some junkie to make more money?

 

[20kw dreams]

You don't need it. I would use it if I were going to reuse the medium, but some people reuse the medium without it, and I tried and cot a bunch of root-rot when I DID use it, so who knows.

 

[sophisto]

Well do you you believe in preventative medicine or cause /cure solutions?????

I do agree with 20 K some people do not use it and they have no problems at all, others swear by it?

I will say this, it has scientifically proven to aid the plants assimilation of nutrients and assists in expediting waste that is not wanted in the root zone. This sounds like a good thing.....Doesnt it.....

My only advice is this like I am sure deep down everyone feels the same, run both with and without and see if you feel a difference in the plants health....For me growing such an amazing plant is all about feeling, if it feels good and the plants look happy, great....If not before you lies an opportunity to learn how to make em happy...It is a relationship between you and your plants and the environment you grow in.....

 

[gramsci.antonio]

I will say this, it has scientifically proven to aid the plants assimilation of nutrients and assists in expediting waste that is not wanted in the root zone. This sounds like a good thing.....Doesnt it.....

yeah but the question is: How much? is the benefit measurable? and if it's measurable is it worth 30 bucks?

My only advice is this like I am sure deep down everyone feels the same, run both with and without and see if you feel a difference in the plants health....For me growing such an amazing plant is all about feeling, if it feels good and the plants look happy, great....If not before you lies an opportunity to learn how to make em happy...It is a relationship between you and your plants and the environment you grow in.....

yeah yeah i understand this, and i don't want to offend you. But i think that cannabis indoor grow miss a lot a serious scientific method.

 

[sophisto]

yeah but the question is: How much? is the benefit measurable? and if it's measurable is it worth 30 bucks?



yeah yeah i understand this, and i don't want to offend you. But i think that cannabis indoor grow miss a lot a serious scientific method.

Perhaps some people dont log their grows, or document what worked last time, or what could work better the next time. Measuring Ph, PPM, checking and mesuring dosages, controlling temperature and air flow, etc etc sounds pretty scientific to me...Also if you ever get into breeding now we are talking a whole other subject of science.... PLus we are talking 30 bucks for you to find out first hand if you like it IMO it's worth it......3000 pennies

This being said sounds to me like you want the amswer that supports your thought ????? So ok dont buy it it sucks it isnt worth the money......You are totally right.....Nutrient companies across the board have wasted their time in their research on enzymes and are just taking their customers money for the fun of it....It's really just piss from some dirty river.....HAppy now.....Good.....

 

[gramsci.antonio]

Perhaps some people dont log their grows, or document what worked last time, or what could work better the next time. Measuring Ph, PPM, checking and mesuring dosages, controlling temperature and air flow, etc etc sounds pretty scientific to me...Also if you ever get into breeding now we are talking a whole other subject of science.... PLus we are talking 30 bucks for you to find out first hand if you like it IMO it's worth it......3000 pennies

This being said sounds to me like you want the amswer that supports your thought ????? So ok dont buy it it sucks it isnt worth the money......You are totally right.....Nutrient companies across the board have wasted their time in their research on enzymes and are just taking their customers money for the fun of it....It's really just piss from some dirty river.....HAppy now.....Good.....

no no buddy you have taken it wrong...

IMO it's stupid to do again twice the same reaserch.. because science is starting from previous results and improve them...
And it's expensive. 30 bucks mean make me choose beetwen cannazym and a bloom booster. Unfortunately i'm on a strict budget.
And it's not science: i've just one plant, to what i compare it? How can i tell if it's simple the normal grow or if there's any benefit?

This is because i ask to more experencied growers. I'm on the first run, also if i would try on 10 different plants cannazym and a placebo i wouldn't have enough experience to achieve any results.

I'm still trying to understand the language of the plant, i can't speak with her about high tech topic.

 

[Sauron The Blue]

its worth it, its one of the better priced enzymes and is pretty powerful. Cut a few small pieces off an apple, get some plastic or glass cups, put a piece in each in a cup, add one enzyme product to each cup, check to see which one makes the piece of apple disappear, turn to soup, turn it brown, or do nothing at all. The one that can make it vanish would be ideal as it doesnt add any sludge to your res, the soup one would work a-ok in container gardens but not so hot in water gardens. the brown one isnt dissolving the material fast enough and the other isnt doing anything to it whatsoever.

some swear by an enzyme while others hate it. If you have one metric ton of dead root mass, a teaspoon of enzyme wont help you, your plant will suffer. If you had one root hair that was dying and a healthy enzyme solution going to the plant, the dying root hair should not spread to the surrounding roots, and should be turned to something that can be either used by the plant or flushed from the medium.

As mentioned above, do a side by side in your setup to see how it works.

I will say this, if you start a cutting from day one with all it needs for an extreme healthy root zone, and continue on this path of caring for the root zone, the roots will look amazing throughout bloom, while if you began caring for the root system at the start of bloom, the roots and most definitely the buds wont even compare to the one properly treated from day one.

-stb

 

[guest5703]

Damn good test ^^

 

[gramsci.antonio]

ok so your hint sauron is to start ASAP.

But i ask you: Yeah the enzymes will shrink food very fast.

But does cannabis need it? IS there any dead roots that needs to be assimilated?


I'm a total ignorant about plants, and moreover about cannabis. I'm studying.

I ask to you as a student ask to his professor.



Anyhow i like the experiment you told me.

I would spread reputation around, but i still don't have enough post.

SO big up to you all.

 

[Guest]

Is what ur talking about products like An's sensizyme and my hygrozyme(sp?)? If so(if not sorry ) I started using hygrozyme in my grows about a yr ago and I was impressed to the point now I buy gallons of the shit. My shoots are now like my stalks used to be. While I have gotten better all around at my hobby/job (mostly cuz of sites and guys like you who discuss this shit) I feel there's a few tools I picked up recently (past 3 yrs or so) that really make me better. Noticed the difference in 2 weeks. I use my enzymes in all my feedings/waters/flushings(not final flush). I buy gallons now and go thorough it pretty quick. Worth it to me. I never thought i could yield like I finally do. got a long way to go but this shit got me alot closer. The use of EA/AN with it too is great. good community of "nice" microbes with an enzyme to sweep the streets of the "mess" . Ladies love the nutes with that tag team.

 

[sophisto]

no no buddy you have taken it wrong...

IMO it's stupid to do again twice the same reaserch.. because science is starting from previous results and improve them...
And it's expensive. 30 bucks mean make me choose beetwen cannazym and a bloom booster. Unfortunately i'm on a strict budget.
And it's not science: i've just one plant, to what i compare it? How can i tell if it's simple the normal grow or if there's any benefit?

This is because i ask to more experencied growers. I'm on the first run, also if i would try on 10 different plants cannazym and a placebo i wouldn't have enough experience to achieve any results.

I'm still trying to understand the language of the plant, i can't speak with her about high tech topic.

No worries man we are all trying to learn here, and or share our knowledge...
I just wanted to let you know that I know it can be frustrating as a new grower, and I know it seems like a field of products to choose from too.... Which one, whats really necessary are all questions that come to everyones mind at some time or another.Couple that with all the different opinions and ideas that are here to learn from. This is why I say and most will agree with the statement, find what works for you and document each success and each failure learn from it and before you know it you will have a system down on a few strains you like and all will be well..
Personally I love enzymes as I like the preventative measures rather than treating a problem later I could have avoided from the beginning.
I understand your numbers at the moment are just at one and that is cool and safe..As far as a side by side goes, take a clone before you put it into flower...Skip the enzymes this time get the booster you want and then next time with the clone you took try it with enzymes and the booster see the difference first hand....

 

[Guest]

I used Atami Atazyme or my first coco run and have used it so far in my second, I think I will just have enough left to get my ladies to the end of flowering. It;s really cheap, the cheapest in fact and seems to do a good job. All my plants on y first run were healthy and had healthy white roots. I used Canna a+b for coco, Atazyme and PK 13-14, nothing else. Worked fantastic, I got really good yields from all my plants and even the smaller buds on the branches were nice and chunky and well developed, so I don't think enhancements and additives are really needed to grow a good crop.

This run I couldn't get anymore canna, out of stock, so I'm using AN Monkey Juice Bloom for Coco and the same Atazyma and Atami PK13-14, plus some AN Carboload for sugars as a bloom enhancer. My plants are healthier this time around and are all flowering really nicely. I think the Monkey Juice is easier on the plants than the canna, harder to burn them and the ph is better balanced it seems for my tap water. I thought the Carboload would add sugars that would be broken down by the enzymes in Atazyme and increase the good stuff available for the plant. Not sure if it's working as I've not grown in coco without Atazyme, but it seems to do a good job for me, I'm expecting my second crop to be better than my first as the plants are more healthy and happy looking. Interested to see if there is any difference in taste and yield from usign Carboload.

I couldn't get anymore Atazyme, again out of stock, so I had to buy some AN Sensizym, I'll be using that for my 3rd coco run, maybe I'll see a difference, maybe not. I think the Atazyme has 13 enzymes, the Sensizym has 80. I have bougth a jar of unsulphured blackstrap molasses - 79p for 350g, it should add the same benefits as Carboload which is 10.99 per litre. I'll try using molasses on some plants and Carboload on others and see which seems to do a better job, unless the Carboload is MUCH better, I'll stick with the molasses, it's a huge saving on cost.

I went to a garden centre the other day and bought a few bottles of organic feeds and additives they had that were really cheap, I have been using Bio-bizz Biogrow and Plagron Alga Grow with Formulex and Maxicrop in veg, switching to the dedicated coco nutes for flowering. I like to try and keep as many of my nutes organic as possible. I bought a litre of Chempak 'Liquid Humus' it's organic and made from wormcastings, contains loads of humic and fulvic acids and other goodies, only 6.95 for a litre so much cheaper than the humic and fulvic acid products available from companies like AN. I also got a litre of Chempak Seaweed Extract for 4.95, again it's organic and cheaper than Maxicrop. They also had three different Seaweed extrat organic plant feeds, one has an NPK of 16-3-3, one 7-7-7 and the other 5-6-8. They were only 4.95 a litre so I bought the 5-6-8 top use for the first two weeks of flowering. The other thing they had was Chempak Fish Emulsion, NPK 5-2-2 for 3.95 per litre, got one of them as it seems like it's the same as Biobizz Fish Mix for half the price. To top it off, I got a litre of Chempak organic 5-4-3 plant feed for 4.95 to replace my Biogrow.

I reckon there is too much emphasis placed on expensive brand names so I'm going to do so side-by-side comparisons with the cheap organics I bought vs more expensive canna nutes and see if there really is a benefit to spending more money. Wish me luck!

 

[sophisto]

I used Atami Atazyme or my first coco run and have used it so far in my second, I think I will just have enough left to get my ladies to the end of flowering. It;s really cheap, the cheapest in fact and seems to do a good job. All my plants on y first run were healthy and had healthy white roots. I used Canna a+b for coco, Atazyme and PK 13-14, nothing else. Worked fantastic, I got really good yields from all my plants and even the smaller buds on the branches were nice and chunky and well developed, so I don't think enhancements and additives are really needed to grow a good crop.

This run I couldn't get anymore canna, out of stock, so I'm using AN Monkey Juice Bloom for Coco and the same Atazyma and Atami PK13-14, plus some AN Carboload for sugars as a bloom enhancer. My plants are healthier this time around and are all flowering really nicely. I think the Monkey Juice is easier on the plants than the canna, harder to burn them and the ph is better balanced it seems for my tap water. I thought the Carboload would add sugars that would be broken down by the enzymes in Atazyme and increase the good stuff available for the plant. Not sure if it's working as I've not grown in coco without Atazyme, but it seems to do a good job for me, I'm expecting my second crop to be better than my first as the plants are more healthy and happy looking. Interested to see if there is any difference in taste and yield from usign Carboload.

I couldn't get anymore Atazyme, again out of stock, so I had to buy some AN Sensizym, I'll be using that for my 3rd coco run, maybe I'll see a difference, maybe not. I think the Atazyme has 13 enzymes, the Sensizym has 80. I have bougth a jar of unsulphured blackstrap molasses - 79p for 350g, it should add the same benefits as Carboload which is 10.99 per litre. I'll try using molasses on some plants and Carboload on others and see which seems to do a better job, unless the Carboload is MUCH better, I'll stick with the molasses, it's a huge saving on cost.

I went to a garden centre the other day and bought a few bottles of organic feeds and additives they had that were really cheap, I have been using Bio-bizz Biogrow and Plagron Alga Grow with Formulex and Maxicrop in veg, switching to the dedicated coco nutes for flowering. I like to try and keep as many of my nutes organic as possible. I bought a litre of Chempak 'Liquid Humus' it's organic and made from wormcastings, contains loads of humic and fulvic acids and other goodies, only 6.95 for a litre so much cheaper than the humic and fulvic acid products available from companies like AN. I also got a litre of Chempak Seaweed Extract for 4.95, again it's organic and cheaper than Maxicrop. They also had three different Seaweed extrat organic plant feeds, one has an NPK of 16-3-3, one 7-7-7 and the other 5-6-8. They were only 4.95 a litre so I bought the 5-6-8 top use for the first two weeks of flowering. The other thing they had was Chempak Fish Emulsion, NPK 5-2-2 for 3.95 per litre, got one of them as it seems like it's the same as Biobizz Fish Mix for half the price. To top it off, I got a litre of Chempak organic 5-4-3 plant feed for 4.95 to replace my Biogrow.

I reckon there is too much emphasis placed on expensive brand names so I'm going to do so side-by-side comparisons with the cheap organics I bought vs more expensive canna nutes and see if there really is a benefit to spending more money. Wish me luck!

Awesome, do it man.....Good luck

 

[Guest]

Well, the stuff is sat here and I've got some clones rooting, so I think I'll run a pair of Jamaican clones side by side, one will be fed with my AN coco flowering regime of Monkey Juice, Sensizym, Carboload and Hammerhead, the other with a range of cheap organics. I'll use the 5-6-8 seaweed feed, seaweed extract, liquid humus and blackstrap molasses. With the sugars and vitamins from the molasses, the humic and fulvic acids from the humus and the other organic goodies in the various potions, should be a decent alternative on paper, only way to know if it works well is to test it out.

I'm also going to get some beneficial fungi as an organic alternative to the Atazyme/Sensizym. I'm not sure what I'll use instead of PK13-14/Hammerhead, I can't find an organic product any higher in P and K than the 5-6-8 seaweed feed I have. Perhaps I will have to resort to making bat guano tea for my organic P-K source. I have a bag of Plagron bat guano that is 6-15-3, so that would be a P source. The only other bat guano I can find for sale here is Guanakalong which is 2-15-2, Age Old Organics Kelp which is 3-10-2 and No Mercy Guano Extract which is expensive and gives no NPK values:

http://www.nomercy.nl/en/framesets/fs-prod.html

I'm not keen on making teas to use in coco, I'm much prefer to stick to bottled liquids for simplicity and cleanliness, so if anyone has any suggestions for alternatives, I'm all ears.

 

[sophisto]

Well, the stuff is sat here and I've got some clones rooting, so I think I'll run a pair of Jamaican clones side by side, one will be fed with my AN coco flowering regime of Monkey Juice, Sensizym, Carboload and Hammerhead, the other with a range of cheap organics. I'll use the 5-6-8 seaweed feed, seaweed extract, liquid humus and blackstrap molasses. With the sugars and vitamins from the molasses, the humic and fulvic acids from the humus and the other organic goodies in the various potions, should be a decent alternative on paper, only way to know if it works well is to test it out.

I'm also going to get some beneficial fungi as an organic alternative to the Atazyme/Sensizym. I'm not sure what I'll use instead of PK13-14/Hammerhead, I can't find an organic product any higher in P and K than the 5-6-8 seaweed feed I have. Perhaps I will have to resort to making bat guano tea for my organic P-K source. I have a bag of Plagron bat guano that is 6-15-3, so that would be a P source. The only other bat guano I can find for sale here is Guanakalong which is 2-15-2, Age Old Organics Kelp which is 3-10-2 and No Mercy Guano Extract which is expensive and gives no NPK values:

http://www.nomercy.nl/en/framesets/fs-prod.html

I'm not keen on making teas to use in coco, I'm much prefer to stick to bottled liquids for simplicity and cleanliness, so if anyone has any suggestions for alternatives, I'm all ears.

Budswell is 0-7-0... Sparetime organics may have something interesting???

MAn I am really looking forward to this one !!!!!!

 

[Guest]

I guess I could use organic PK13-14 instead of guano, I'll start a thread shortly when I have everything together.

 

[i_score]

hey there British_Hempire,you can use the plagron seeweed for blom witch as a NPK value of 1-13-14 if i recall, i used it on my first coco grow, i was using bio bizz grow and bloom and top max, recently ive changed to another organic brand, actualy is from a fellow IC mag user, they are called biomagno, and im totally happy about them, im usin alot of other products but the amounts i use are tiny, if you want check my gallery to see some of them.
good luck on those experiments i will follow them closely!!
peace

ps: heres the alga blom specs

Needless to say, you want to see all the love and care that you have invested rewarded by the plant's thankful blooming or fruit production, the peak of nature.

Because plants create different hormones during the blooming phase and want to do their best for you, they need an adapted diet to enable them to do so.

Plagron has developed the Alga-Bloei especially for the flowering phase.

Alga-Bloei is an organic mineral liquid nutrient. It contains a precisely balanced ratio of phosphates and potash that the plant can directly absorb so that the flowering is optimised on a completely natural basis. The phosphor in the Plagron Alga-Bloei promotes improved root development and a strong, rich bloom. Potash promotes the transportation of the nutrients throughout the whole plant and increases its general resistance.

Alga-Bloei gives your plants that important boost needed to initiate the final growth spurt. Plagron Alga-Bloei, a question of give and take.

Plagron Alga-bloei contains: 13% phosphor, 14% potash, 1.5% nitrogen, trace elements, vitamins, enzymes, growth hormones, ferments and more than 20 types of amino acids.

Usage: Dilute 4 ml with 1 litre of water.

Water the plants with this dilution once a week.

 

[gramsci.antonio]

its worth it, its one of the better priced enzymes and is pretty powerful. Cut a few small pieces off an apple, get some plastic or glass cups, put a piece in each in a cup, add one enzyme product to each cup, check to see which one makes the piece of apple disappear, turn to soup, turn it brown, or do nothing at all. The one that can make it vanish would be ideal as it doesnt add any sludge to your res, the soup one would work a-ok in container gardens but not so hot in water gardens. the brown one isnt dissolving the material fast enough and the other isnt doing anything to it whatsoever.

I did.

I toke:

2 glass full of water (0.1 liter each)
2 ml of cannazym in A, nothing in B

i placed in both a: leaf of orange tree, a little piece of skin of a cooked chicken and a little piece of apple.

12 hours passed up to now, nothing happend.

 

[Sauron The Blue]

Sorry should of explained a little better:
tools needed:
1) Use clean plastic or glass cups (glass will be better, just make sure that there is no soap residue in the cup)
2)Use a plastic or stainless steel spoon (a baking measuring spoon is best)
3) One jar of pure apple sauce with no PRESERVATIVES or any other impurities!!
4) Unused coffee filters, one per cup.

The Test
1) Place one spoon (5ml) of apple sauce in each cup (equal amounts)
2) Clean spoon with clean water
3) Place one spoon (5ml) of enzyme product into each cup. If you are testing a few enzyme products then use one only brand per cup. If you are testing only one product then place one spoon (5ml) in one cup and one spoon (5ml) of water into the other cup.
4) Stir each cup, clean spoon between each cup.
5) Allow this to stand at room temperature for two hours.
6) Place coffee filter in clean cup and pour each test into a separate cup. Do not reuse coffee filters between cups.
7) Leave the coffee filter in cup with dissolved apple sauce for one to two more hours.
8) Measure dissolved liquid in the bottom of the cup.

if your enzyme works well it should get you about 12-15ml of fluid through the filter. If it doesnt work well, the filter will have stuff in it.



Paper Test:

Materials Required
1) Use clean plastic or glass cups (glass will be better, just make sure that there is no soap residue in the cup)
2)Use a plastic or stainless steel spoon (a baking measuring spoon is best)
3) Writing paper (1/2" x 1/4") multiple pieces may be needed if you plan to do a few tests
4) Unused coffee filters, one per cup.

The Test
1) Place one piece of papers in each cup
2) Place one spoon (5ml) of enzyme product into each cup. If you are testing a few enzyme products then use one only brand per cup. If you are testing only one product then place one spoon (5ml) in one cup and one spoon (5ml) of water into the other cup.
4) Stir each cup, clean spoon between each cup.
5) Allow this to stand at room temperature for 24 hours.
6) Paper should dissolve completely after 24 hours.