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IRS Advice On Marijuana: Deduct It...But Prepare For 50% Tax

amannamedtruth

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Wow, the IRS is suggesting how we pay them. When will they stop using the cages to throw some of us into?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertw...ealers-dude-deduct-it-but-prepare-for-50-tax/
Four states have legalized recreational marijuana, and 23 states plus the District of Columbia have legalized medical use. But federal law still classifies it as a controlled substance, regardless of how legal it is in the states. There’s a lot more than taxes at stake, since federal drug crimes and seizures are nothing to sneeze out. Yet taxes are huge issues too.
Paying state tax on marijuana admits you are violating federal criminal law, right? It sure seems that way, which is why there’s a lawsuit challenging the taxes as violating your right not to incriminate yourself. Yet state efforts to tax this new cash crop and its blooming legitimacy are growing. But what about the IRS? It is federal, and Marijuana remains illegal nationally. Even so, the tax law is clear that even criminal income has to be reported to the IRS. Remember Al Capone?
As a result, even legal medical marijuana businesses have big federal income tax problems: tax evasion if they don’t report, and a considerably smaller risk of criminal prosecution if they do. More imminent, though, is the risk of being bankrupted by their IRS tax bill. That’s because Section 280E of the tax code denies even legal dispensaries tax deductions because marijuana remains a federal controlled substance. The IRS says it has no choice but to enforce the tax code.
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One answer is for dispensaries to deduct expenses from other businesses distinct from dispensing marijuana. If a dispensary sells marijuana and is in the separate business of care-giving, the care-giving expenses are deductible. If only 10% of the premises is used to dispense marijuana, most of the rent is deductible. Good record-keeping is essential, but there is only so far one can go.
Recently, the IRS issued guidance about how taxpayers “trafficking in a Schedule I or Schedule II controlled substances”—yes, the IRS means Marijuana dealers–can determine their cost of goods sold. After all, you have to report your profit, but how do you do that? If you buy goods for $10 and resell them for $20, your profit is $10. Your cost of goods sold is $10.
The IRS guidance (ILM 201504011) is complex, but tries to answer how dealers can determine cost of goods sold, as well as whether the IRS auditing a dealer can make them change. There is considerable tax history in the IRS missive. The IRS is clear that you can deduct only what the tax law allows you to deduct. The trouble started in 1982, when Congress enacted § 280E. It prohibits deductions, but not for cost of goods sold.
Funnily enough, most businesses don’t want to capitalize costs, since claiming an immediate deduction is easier and faster. In the case of marijuana businesses, the incentive is the reverse. So the IRS says it is policing the line between the costs that are part of selling the drugs and others. Sure, deduct wages, rents, and repair expenses attributable to production activities. They are part of the cost of goods sold. But don’t deduct wages, rents, or repair expenses attributable to general business activities or marketing activities that are not part of cost of goods sold.


In truth, it may not be so easy to draw these lines. And that means IRS examiners will try. Meantime, the proposed Marijuana Tax Equity Act would end the federal prohibition on marijuana and allow it to be taxed in a more legit way. That way growers, sellers and users would not fear of violating federal law. The bill would also impose a whopping 50% excise tax on cannabis sales and an annual occupational tax on workers in the growing field of legal marijuana.
Colorado’s tax on marijuana was upheld despite claims that paying it amounts to self-incrimination violating the Fifth Amendment. The lawsuit challenging the taxes continues, and the stakes are high. In Colorado, there’s a 2.9% sales tax plus a 10% marijuana sales tax. Plus, there is a 15% excise tax on the average market rate of retail marijuana. If you add that up, it’s 27.9%. Medical marijuana only pays the 2.9% sales tax. This isn’t the only context raising the conflicting federal and state laws over marijuana. And in taxes, the hits keep on coming.
For alerts to future tax articles, follow me on Forbes.com. Email me at [email protected]. This discussion is not intended as legal advice, and cannot be relied upon for any purpose without the services of a qualified professional.
 
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L O L @ 50% tax. It's makes no sense if you want to keep getting money, but makes great sense to put you out of business. A business can't survive 80% of revenue being paid out in taxes(sales,income state and fed, excise) so either its a move to shut it all down or they are really just that greedy to think it will somehow work with the plummeting price of cannabis and astronomical increase of all input costs. I'm thinking the former.
 

TheArchitect

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How do you get rid of a black-market when regulatory burden, taxes, insurance etc force the legal producers to charge 2x the street rates?


Humanity really disgusts me sometimes...
 

amannamedtruth

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^^Yep, maintains the continued flow of money to prisons/cops, not sure if it would act as a use deterrent.

I think that a higher than normal tax is alright, not 50%, but there has to be the possibility for someone to grow their own tax free herb.
 
i do believe its a step in the right direction but 50% tax is a little much.I have a friend in Washington and he says the taxes are bad up there
 

Mad Lab

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Who has real experience with this code right now?

Supposedly costs associated with production of the cannabis is deductable, but anything regarding costs associated with the sale of cannabis is not.

So rent, labor, marketing and utilities for retail stores who only sell cannabis is not deductable.

But rent, labor, and utilities for production is. Marketing and anything related to the sale of the product after production is not.

Supposedly in CO where they have to produce and have a retail outlet, they are only scraping by because they can write off production cost expenses.

Anyone in the industry right now in CO or WA with experience that can chime in?
 

MJPassion

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I was just reading today, in Bloomberg Businessweek, that the IRS recently has thier budget slashed by $1billion.

I can imagine that with the jobs lost due to that cut, that the remaining drones in the offices are scrambling to get a paycheck.

Is there really any wonder as to why a black market exists?
 

JointOperation

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L O L @ 50% tax. It's makes no sense if you want to keep getting money, but makes great sense to put you out of business. A business can't survive 80% of revenue being paid out in taxes(sales,income state and fed, excise) so either its a move to shut it all down or they are really just that greedy to think it will somehow work with the plummeting price of cannabis and astronomical increase of all input costs. I'm thinking the former.

thats the point.. make it almost impossible for people to do it legally.. so its PAY up 80%.. 50% on deductible taxes.. and the 25 or watever it is for fucking sales tax...

so in order to make money.. they want you to stay illegal.. so the feds can come in and steal the money..

this is strongarm robbery.. either way you look at it .. they want 50%.. even the MOB knew you couldnt take that much from someone without them doing something about it...

and thats right.. they bitch and complain about the drug war.. but realized.. shit.. weed was a big one that made us soo much money.. so.. the black market HAS TO STAY.. to fill up those prisons.. that turn into an industry pumping out goods in slave camps.. just like CHINAs APPLE.. lets put fucking nets to catch people who clearly.. WANT TO DIE.. lol

so.. they instead.. make it hard to be legal.. make it harder to make money LEGALLY because your prices go threw the fucking ROOF.. compared to the black market.. and then they bitch.. when they catch a dispensary owner who was making ends meet by selling some shit on the black market.. but still PAYING TAXES on it ALL? what the FUCK.
 

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