Iron Deficiency?

[Verger OG]

Hi guys,

Is this an iron deficiency? It is a male Orange Bud in flowering.

Thanks for insight. Sorry if the picture isn't very sharp. The limitations of a camera.

 

[MynameStitch]

Are the parts affected bleach white?
Can you get another picture where it's on more of a focus? I can't tell if the flash is causing some of the problem or if the plant is showing that problem.......


Can you give more info on your grow though?

ARE YOU USING?

SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How Tall are the plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
How often are you watering?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?


HYDROPONICS/Aero Ponics

What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...)
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How tall are the plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy?
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
What is your water temps?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's

 

[Verger OG]

Yes they are bleached white. It is more than yellowing. I can't take good close ups per the focus length of my digicam. But yes, bleached is a good word. Peculiar. If given the appropriate nutrients, will these leaves recover? Just curious.

As for soil and all that, it isn't really important. Male plants make good experiments.

In this case I water 0,20 liters adding TNT Complex by Hesi 0,5ml, 0,5 ml of Fish emulsion and 0,5ml of PK 13-14.

Small younger leaves are also on the light green side.

I think I will use a lot of PH- on another male I have. Just to get the pH very off and see what that does to nutrient uptake.

All good learning opportunity.

I had bad luck, started 6 plants and 3 are males and one didn't sprout. 2 females thus remain.

But I have 3 clones! They will go on my balcony for the summer.

 

[MynameStitch]

You may have the light too close then, can you fill out some of the questions so I know more about your growing conditions?
How much light are you using? How close is the light?
Feedings and how often?

Soil? Hydro?

If those leaves are the color they are in the picture, it looks like the light is close causing destruction in the plants chlorophyll which makes the leaves look bleached.
No, they will not recover, the damage is done and will not come back if thats what it is, and I am very sure that is what it is. If I had a more clear picture I could give you a 100% diagnosis, but I am 80% sure that is what it is; if not then it would have to be a micronutrient problem like sulfur/iron.

I need to know more information to determine if the light is in fact too close or there is another problem, without more detailed information about your growing conditions I can't give you a 100% diagnosis.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

stich is right on with the light being too close to the plant...
i think its more an issue of the focusing of the hood or reflector u have... its got a bad hotspot apperantly...

 

[Verger OG]

The plant isn't under any light. It sits in my living room on the ground in normal light...very cloudy here this time a year.

Soil yes. The plant has been flowring for some time under 12/12 and I removed it. Light jhours per day are increasing so I will be getting out of flowering soon. This may confuse the plant. But that won't make iron be absorbed less or more.

I think this is an iron deficiency. Sulphur I don't know.

 

[MynameStitch]

DEpending on how much direct light it gets and such it can get light burn, the sun can easily do it, seen it before.
But like I said without better pics I can't be 100% sure man. I have asked several times for more information and you won't post anymore information,so I can't help you anymore if you don't answer my questions I asked.

 

[Guest]

Im going to go out on a limb here....

This is clearly not iron.... any def would be symetrical.... so its not iron... or anything else for that matter....

I dont think its the leaves being burnt... that would normally show different levels of damage on the same leaf along the edges.... one side of the leaf would show the burn more than the other...

so Im going to go with genetics....

There is damage on two nodes...... in the same spot.....


Im going to guess this is a variegated plant

 

[HeadyPete]

A plant can burn in hours in direct sun through a window and it looks like you've got heat stress at least.

Your nutes have iron, your ph isn't out or you would have more problems, and nute defs usually affect a leaf more uniformly and symmetrically than the ones you show.

 

[Verger OG]

Like I said, there is NO direct sunlight. It is winter here and it has been cloudy for weeks. The plant sits on the floor well away from the window. I have one plant that sits on a table near the window and it is fine.

Perhaps it is genetics. I do not know. It isn't a big deal anyways since it is a male plant I keep because..well...weed plants are just lovely to look at

I am not determined to find out what it is at all cost. But the symptoms seem so clear that i thought I would get a quick answer. A better picture really won't help because what yo see is what it si. A bleached leaf as part of a fanleaf , completely white and one edge of a lead also white.

So don't worry about it peopl;e, it is a male plant and I may chop it down as soon as I detect signs the flowring continues and pollen might be released. Although for that i am not afraid because I had pollen releasing plants in between females without cauisng seed production...if you are carful tor emove them when that time comes t starts to release.

Sorry for bad spelling. I am too damned lazy these days to even bother using a checker.

 

[Guest]

Im of the strong opinion that Im correct....

that this plant is a quite rare beast and is showing variegated plant

I really cant see that it can be anything else.....



Variegated Leaves
Total absence of plastid pigments causes a sector of a leaf or stem to have white patches. This condition is termed variegation. Variegation is produced when there is a cell mutation (cytological chimera), and all cells produced from that mutant mother cell lack the pigments, either because plastids are not present or the plastid cannot complete the manufacture of the pigment apparatus. White, therefore, is where color is missing. The zones where chloroplasts are not present are zones where no photosynthesis will occur, hence a variegated leaf has a lowered potential to fix carbon dioxide into sugars, and as a consequence, a variegated plant also tends to grow more slowly.

Variegated leaves occur rarely in nature but are extremely common among indoor and outdoor ornamentals, where they have been saved as horticultural oddities. Species with variegated individuals are sometimes found in the understory of tropical rain forest, and this habitat is the source of a number of variegated house plants. The appearance of variegation in the tropical forest understory, if not simply by accident, has not been given a plausible explanation.

 

[Verger OG]

That is a fascinating idea.

Here are some pictures them.

The whole plant.



A close-up.


The affected leafs.


Close-up of the fanleaf.

 

[Guest]

Its a new one for me....

Ive been looking at sick plants for years and Ive never seen one....

Your plant is in great health.... no defs that I can see....

Its not a burn....

Its a Variegated leaf imo.....

Thanks for the new pics....

 

[Verger OG]

Metrosideros? Are you sure? If I google that then I find luinks to plant sires and it seems to be a variety of plant or tree rather than a term for a...genetic malfunction type?

 

[Guest]

The link where I got the information showed examples... From the original link they showed a picture of metrosideros to demonstrate Variegation....

 

[MynameStitch]

wth,. you said you could not get any better pics than what you got, wth was with the new pics then? I sense someone is being a little lazy I took my time to help you out and you could not answer my questions I asked and I asked for new pics, but then all out of the blue you post them even after you said you can't get new pics cause your camera, well those pics you posted look fine to me, and like I said I could not tell 100% if that was what it was before since your picture was so terrible.

But I am sure pepe is correct about the matter, but as heady has said I have seen light burn before indoors; but it is clearly not the case in this thread.

I am pretty angry that when I asked questions you did not answer and I still tryed to help you out, this is what makes me angry as whne people ask for help you can't get a proper diagnosis unless you answer all questions but you get angry when you do not get the answer you like, that was your fault.

 

[Verger OG]

I appreciate your help but you set yourself up. I mad it clear this was a male plant and that it was not really important whatever it would turn out to be. But you were so eager to help that you almost insisted new pictures. I borrowed a camera from a neighbor which isn't easy when they ask you what you are going to take pictures of. You have to make something up.

You are so eager to help or please people that now I feel troubled!

Perhaps I should not ask questions if I am not 1000% committed to getting an answer.

Thank you again though. I do appreciate your willingness. And that of everyone who helps another in these matters. And we all return the favor at some point. But not person to person because I think I cannot teach you anything as you are way more knowledgeable than so many others.

 

[Guest]

Verger stitchers and I go back a few years....

I really appreciate your effort to borrow the camera so we could have a better look at something we dont see often(ever?) here....

Your pictures were instructional and added to the knowledge base....

We all get a little frustrated in this forum.... as it was on OG.....

We rarely get feedback from those we try help...

And I get where you were coming from...

it was unusual... it was a male ...soon dead...

you were hoping for a quick answer.....

Probably not an unpardonable sin....

 

[HeadyPete]

I see nuteburn on that lower leaf, and your plants seem too green and the leaves are clawed.

Are you overfeeding? Any burn on any other plants? Are you feeding 2.5 ml per L of fishmeal and PK? That is a little much, especially because this is a male in flowering, not under intense light and Canna recommends 1.5ml/L of P/K. Fish emulsion is kinda hot as well. 5-2-2 typically, so overall I would say you are feeding a little too much.

BTW if you post a problem here, then be ready to accept and appreciate all the help that comes your way. Would you like it if you were ignored? We love plants and helping peeps grow plants and that is not anything to apologize for.

Stitch spends more time here than anyone unselfishly help people, so I find your tone a little off putting. Hopefully I was just misinterpreting it....

 

[CrunchNasty]

Verger, you never answered the PH question, you had better test your run-off with a digital meter, and test your water to ensure you are within 6.3-7.0 on both. I think you should start there and then try to diagnose any other problems you might have.