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iPhone anybody?

James Morrison

~*MR.MOJORISIN*~
anybody check these out? They look very cool. I really like the features like touch screen and internet capabilites. anybody got anything to say about the iPhone? I dont even have an iPod but was seriouslt considering give the iPhone a round. I just read this article and Im startin to have second thoughts...hmmm :chin:

Want an iPhone? Beware the iHandcuffs

RANDALL STROSS
January 14. 2007 6:09AM

Like its slimmer iPod siblings, the iPhone’s music-playing function will be limited by factory-installed “crippleware.”
STEVE JOBS, Apple’s showman nonpareil, provided the first public glimpse of the iPhone last week — gorgeous, feature-laden and pricey. While following the master magician’s gestures, it was easy to overlook a most disappointing aspect: like its slimmer iPod siblings, the iPhone’s music-playing function will be limited by factory-installed “crippleware.”

If “crippleware” seems an unduly harsh description, it balances the euphemistic names that the industry uses for copy protection. Apple officially calls its own standard “FairPlay,” but fair it is not.

The term “crippleware” comes from the plaintiff in a class-action lawsuit, Melanie Tucker v. Apple Computer Inc., that is making its way through Federal District Court in Northern California. The suit contends that Apple unfairly restricts consumer choice because it does not load onto the iPod the software needed to play music that uses Microsoft’s copy-protection standard, in addition to Apple’s own.

Ms. Tucker’s core argument is that the absence of another company’s software on the iPod constitutes “crippleware.” I disagree. It is Apple’s own copy-protection software itself that cripples the device.

Here is how FairPlay works: When you buy songs at the iTunes Music Store, you can play them on one — and only one — line of portable player, the iPod. And when you buy an iPod, you can play copy-protected songs bought from one — and only one — online music store, the iTunes Music Store.

The only legal way around this built-in limitation is to strip out the copy protection by burning a CD with the tracks, then uploading the music back to the computer. If you’re willing to go to that trouble, you can play the music where and how you choose — the equivalent to rights that would have been granted automatically at the cash register if you had bought the same music on a CD in the first place.

Even if you are ready to pledge a lifetime commitment to the iPod as your only brand of portable music player or to the iPhone as your only cellphone once it is released, you may find that FairPlay copy protection will, sooner or later, cause you grief. You are always going to have to buy Apple stuff. Forever and ever. Because your iTunes will not play on anyone else’s hardware.

Unlike Apple, Microsoft has been willing to license its copy-protection software to third-party hardware vendors. But copy protection is copy protection: a headache only for the law-abiding.

Microsoft used to promote its PlaysForSure copy-protection standard, but there must have been some difficulty with the “for sure” because the company has dropped it in favor of an entirely new copy-protection standard for its new Zune player, which, incidentally, is incompatible with the old one.

Pity the overly trusting customers who invested earlier in music collections before the Zune arrived. Their music cannot be played on the new Zune because it is locked up by software enforcing the earlier copy-protection standard: PlaysFor(Pretty)Sure — ButNotTheNewStuff.

The name for the umbrella category for copy-protection software is itself an indefensible euphemism: Digital Rights Management. As consumers, the “rights” enjoyed are few. As some wags have said, the initials D.R.M. should really stand for “Digital Restrictions Management.”

As consumers become more aware of how copy protection limits perfectly lawful behavior, they should throw their support behind the music labels that offer digital music for sale in plain-vanilla MP3 format, without copy protection.

Apple pretends that the decision to use copy protection is out of its hands. In defending itself against Ms. Tucker’s lawsuit, Apple’s lawyers noted in passing that digital-rights-management software is required by the major record companies as a condition of permitting their music to be sold online: “Without D.R.M., legal online music stores would not exist.”

In other words, however irksome customers may find the limitations imposed by copy protection, the fault is the music companies’, not Apple’s.

This claim requires willful blindness to the presence of online music stores that eschew copy protection. For example, one online store, eMusic, offers two million tracks from independent labels that represent about 30 percent of worldwide music sales.

Unlike the four major labels — Universal, Warner Music Group, EMI and Sony BMG — the independents provide eMusic with permission to distribute the music in plain MP3 format. There is no copy protection, no customer lock-in, no restrictions on what kind of music player or media center a customer chooses to use — the MP3 standard is accommodated by all players.

EMusic recently celebrated the sale of its 100 millionth download; it trails only iTunes as the largest online seller of digital music. (Of course, iTunes, with 2 billion downloads, has a substantial lead.)

Among the artists who can be found at eMusic are Barenaked Ladies, Sarah McLachlan and Avril Lavigne, who are represented by Nettwerk Music Group, based in Vancouver, British Columbia. All Nettwerk releases are available at eMusic without copy protection.

But when the same tracks are sold by the iTunes Music Store, Apple insists on attaching FairPlay copy protection that limits their use to only one portable player, the iPod. Terry McBride, Nettwerk’s chief executive, said that the artists initially required Apple to use copy protection, but that this was no longer the case. At this point, he said, copy protection serves only Apple’s interests .

Josh Bernoff, a principal analyst at Forrester Research, agreed, saying copy protection “just locks people into Apple.” He said he had recently asked Apple when the company would remove copy protection and was told, “We see no need to do so.”

Apple’s statement is a detailed treatise on the subject, compared with what I received when I asked the company last week whether it would offer tracks without copy protection if the publisher did not insist on it: the Apple spokesman took my query and never got back to me.

David Pakman, the C.E.O. of eMusic, said the major labels have watched their revenues decline about $10 billion since a 2001 peak; meanwhile, revenue earned by the independents has held steady. He said his service offers music from 9,800 labels, each of which has embraced downloads in MP3 format. Only four labels still cling to copy protection, even though piracy has not declined, and those are the four major labels.

Mr. McBride, of Nettwerk, predicted that in 2007 the major labels would finally move to drop copy protection in order to provide iPod owners the option of shopping at online music stores other than iTunes; by doing so, he added, they would “break the monopoly of Apple” that dictates terms and conditions for music industry suppliers and customers. Some encouraging signs have appeared recently. Dave Goldberg, the head of Yahoo Music, persuaded EMI to try some experiments last month with MP3 downloads — a Norah Jones single here, a Reliant K single there.

With sales of physical CDs falling faster than digital music sales are growing, he said, the major labels “have got to make it easier for people to do the right thing” — that is, to buy recorded music unencumbered with copy protection rather than to engage in illegal file-sharing.

IN the long view, Mr. Goldberg said he believes that today’s copy-protection battles will prove short-lived. Eventually, perhaps in 5 or 10 years, he predicts, all portable players will have wireless broadband capability and will provide direct access, anytime, anywhere, to every song ever released for a low monthly subscription fee.

It’s a prediction that has a high probability of realization because such a system is already found in South Korea, where three million subscribers enjoy direct, wireless access to a virtually limitless music catalog for only $5 a month. He noted, however, that music companies in South Korea did not agree to such a radically different business model until sales of physical CDs had collapsed.

Pointing to South Korea, where copy protection has disappeared, Mr. Goldberg invoked the pithy aphorism attributed to the author William Gibson: “The future is here; it’s just not widely distributed yet.”

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070114/ZNYT01/701140387
 
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Guest

In 11 days I will no longer own a cell phone, and I fucking hated the thing after 5 years of having one. I like being able to leave the house and not being able to be reached all the time. With that said, although it sounds pretty cool I'd never drop 600 bucks for a phone.
 

treble

Active member
yes I think your point was that the independents produce better music than the major labels which in fact was the real reason why their revenues fell. Not because people were stealing it, it was because their music was crap and not even worth stealing....

as for apple, it really is the company for the stupid isnt it. Complete crap products highly over priced and limited in quality. the music players are limited to playing lower quality music than standard mp3. And what I love the most is that people occasionally want to show me their new white product and proudly tell me how much too much they paid for it as if I should be impressed... not with them or their product I'm not only in that company's ability to bullshit people into buying their crap.

sorry, its a rant, I am usually supportive of people but this company is leading the pack and lowering the bar for everybody and that affects me by reducing my choices and freedoms

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DogBoy

Just buy a Sony Erricsson W series phone and your away. Keep all this Apple and Microsoft battling. It's manufactured to increase sales.

Stick with simple.
 

Peregrin Took

Active member
Fuck iPods, such a gimmicky fad thing, and so overpriced.

Any decent Mp3 player will do. There are plenty of decent priced ones on the market right now. I got a 5gb RCA Lyra and can simply C&P any mp3 or WMA file onto it using windows explorer. I just throw it on there and the device itself organizes it for me into album/band/genre etc.

I had a feeling Ipods would have some kinda anti pirating bullshit going on.
 
M

Mr. Nevermind

I have had a phone with a large touch screen, internet, navigation, Bluetooth, financial software, camera, camcorder, Microsoft Excel , Microsoft word, ,outlook and music for over a year now. Its called a palm one treo. So Apple can fight all they want. Im good where im at





Nevermind
 

treble

Active member
^dogboy am with ya man. I got one w810 and it does it all. nice phone, mp3, FM, 2mpix, video record plus vid playback.. I got a couple hours of some sitcoms on mine for when I am stuck waiting, it records from FM. Got some awesome stuff on there for when I am bangin downhill MTB style... nice and its a phone to boot

treb
 

kurlyq2g

Member
MedGradePurps said:
In 11 days I will no longer own a cell phone, and I fucking hated the thing after 5 years of having one. I like being able to leave the house and not being able to be reached all the time. With that said, although it sounds pretty cool I'd never drop 600 bucks for a phone.


I agree with you 100%, until i get stranded, or you name the situation.

You can always turn the phone off, right? Just my thoughts.


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oldpink

Un - Retired,
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Veteran
old technology its only G2 most newstuff is G3 or above
in Japan G4 is the new in thing
 
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Guest

kurlyq2g said:
I agree with you 100%, until i get stranded, or you name the situation.
I agree, thats why a 'pay-as-you-go' phone just for my auto for such situations will be essential. Also not having to pay another bill every month isn't bad either.

Then again, chances are I'm going to end up a hobbit up in the redwoods, so I won't be needing a cell phone.
 

nycdfan042

Its COOL to DROOL!!!!!!
Veteran
DogBoy said:
Just buy a Sony Erricsson W series phone and your away. Keep all this Apple and Microsoft battling. It's manufactured to increase sales.

Stick with simple.
i have a sony ericson 600i, not a bad phone but not a great phone. It holds 256 MB of mp3, a camera and most of the other crap found in todays phones. Its decent does what i want and the cingular network works decently(compared to nextel). I would love to have a PDA style phone with internet but ive heared the service on those things are ridiculous. I like to pay 39.99$ a month, any more would be excessive. I love to parallel process and multi task, but i simply cant afford a 600$ and 100$ amonth...thats just nuts. They need to make the service cheaper for average shmoes like me who only use the phone mostly for entertainment.
 

jcsmooth

Member
I think the more features you put on a piece of electronics, an opportunity cost begins to lessen its "capabilities". In other words, a machine that is a multi-all-in one cellphone, mp3 player, and camera, will never be as good as three pieces of equipment that just do one of those things.

If I wanted a digital camera I wouldn't buy a phone that has that feature, I'd buy a camera. Know what I mean?

I've got an ipod video right now but if I decide I want a cell phone I'll buy....just a flippin' cell phone.

Does that make me old fashioned now? lol

JC
 
i have money and i will get one for myself, my employees and my family. i would have to say that those saying they are dumb or anything probably cant afford one and i understand that. its no problem, but geez dont be rediculous, its the sweetest phone ever. if you had alot of money, why wouldnt you want one? there is no phone out there that is better. period. check this out: http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/ watch the keynote if you dont know what this is all about.
sonic
 
oh, the phone is cool, camera cool, ipod thing cool, but no one has mentioned the REAL reason i am getting them. they offer a FULL web browser. that is huge. i have internet on my current phone, but it sucks. its all condensed and reformatted to meet their lame requirements. watch the keynote. you have all desktop/laptop capacities with satellite/wifi service. sweet
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jcsmooth

Member
Don't you have to pay for browsing the web based on how much kB (info) you download?
I think that could get pretty costly, depending on your carrier and plan.

At this point in my life I'd like to think I can go without the internet for a few hours while I'm out and about, but I totally understand if you do need that convenience for business and various other important things. I suppose at the cost of this thing (At the moment), their target market isn't students though :)


JC
 
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